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Is the universe curved or flat?

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-12-11 13:56 -0800
Last post2015-12-17 13:28 -0800
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  Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 13:56 -0800
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-11 14:02 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:39 -0600
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 21:38 -0800
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-13 12:59 -0800
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 15:05 -0600
              Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-13 21:52 +0000
              Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-13 22:54 +0100
              Re: Is the universe curved or flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 02:26 -0500
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-13 18:40 -0800
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-14 13:04 -0800
              Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 14:24 -0800
                Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 15:16 -0800
                  Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 15:34 -0800
                    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-16 23:15 -0800
                  Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 18:59 -0600
                    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 16:20 -0800
                      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 18:44 -0600
                        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 17:43 -0800
                Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 18:46 -0600
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-11 16:34 -0600
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 15:16 -0800
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 15:58 -0800
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-11 18:40 -0600
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-12 17:37 +0100
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 16:40 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 19:06 -0600
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:49 -0500
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-13 20:41 -0600
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 19:06 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 17:43 -0800
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 20:26 -0600
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-15 14:20 -0800
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 14:34 -0800
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 13:17 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 13:28 -0800

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#538677

FromDavid Staup <dstaup@charter.net>
Date2015-12-11 16:34 -0600
Message-ID<n4fitn$o6h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#538662
On 12/11/2015 3:56 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
>
promise?

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#538681

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-11 15:16 -0800
Message-ID<566B5942.3B06@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#538662
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!



i bet you a million doallars Sam Wormley  doesn't know..he's probably 'looking it up' right now!


{that's how you get rid of terroists, you gotta keep them on the run...)

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#538689

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-11 15:58 -0800
Message-ID<d701e373-f37f-401e-961b-eaf8a82d1bf1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#538662
On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 4:56:08 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!

Booth!

-- Mahipal "IPMM... cross posting only brings bad news, says Sir Mantra Kar|ma>"

Original Newsgroups: alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written

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#538693

Fromgilber34 <fafa@invalid.com>
Date2015-12-11 18:40 -0600
Message-ID<n4fqdr$6kt$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#538662
On 12/11/2015 3:56 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
>

it is flat,
until you get near the edge,
then it is curved,
I think it curves up last time I looked.

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#538752

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-12 17:37 +0100
Message-ID<2201810.p7QEm3DjEE@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#538693
gilber34 wrote:

> On 12/11/2015 3:56 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> 
> it is flat,

Presumably, yes.  So far, measurements show that the observable universe is 
flat.  Unfortunately, we cannot look beyond that, so we have to defer to 
what geometry, relativity, and quantum mechanics have to say about the rest.

> until you get near the edge,

There is no edge; a flat universe is implicitly infinite in size.

> then it is curved, I think it curves up last time I looked.

Sorry to break this to you, but your padded cell is _not_ the universe.

F'up2 <news:sci.physics.relativity>


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist post on the laboratory door
   when he went camping?  
A: 'Gone fission'.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#538800

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-12 16:40 -0800
Message-ID<f4836c48-4899-4328-8d17-45dbd7e466e1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#538662
On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!

How flat is flat? Keep in mind you can;t go in a spaceship from A to B in a straight line.If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you started from.If it sounds like going around the world,it is. So How flat is the world.?Think saddle shape it fits  TreBert

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#538804

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-12 19:06 -0600
Message-ID<uridndiLTuEyWfHLnZ2dnUU7-b_OydjZ@giganews.com>
In reply to#538800
On 12/12/15 6:40 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you started from


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   The universe is not closed.


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#538818

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-12 20:49 -0500
Message-ID<994by.32660$ar.24328@fx33.iad>
In reply to#538804
On 12/12/2015 08:06 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/12/15 6:40 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
>> If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you
>> started from
>
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>    The universe is not closed.
>

Hey, Everybody! "professor" Sammy is using his superpowers again to 
"prove" the universe is not closed! It's the same superpowers he used to 
determine that in spite of global temperatures not going up there is 
nevertheless "global warming".

I suggest he should just use the "short form".


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#538969

Fromgilber34 <fafa@invalid.com>
Date2015-12-13 20:41 -0600
Message-ID<n4la97$ne2$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#538818
On 12/12/2015 7:49 PM, benj wrote:
> On 12/12/2015 08:06 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 12/12/15 6:40 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
>>> If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you
>>> started from
>>
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>>    The universe is not closed.
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>
> Hey, Everybody! "professor" Sammy is using his superpowers again to
> "prove" the universe is not closed! It's the same superpowers he used to
> determine that in spite of global temperatures not going up there is
> nevertheless "global warming".
>
> I suggest he should just use the "short form".
>
>


the stores *are open* in this part of the universe.

Wiki says universe flat within +- 0.4% error,

so Wormley cannot decide if universe is flat or open, just not closed,

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#538977

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-13 19:06 -0800
Message-ID<25075a25-7b4d-4bb5-907a-c8dfb4ca5be7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#538969
storing your codec

> > Hey, Everybody! "professor" Sammy is using his superpowers again to
> > "prove" the universe is not closed! It's the same superpowers he used to
> > determine that in spite of global temperatures not going up there is
> > nevertheless "global warming".
> >
> > I suggest he should just use the "short form".
> >
> >
> 
> 
> the stores *are open* in this part of the universe.
> 
> Wiki says universe flat within +- 0.4% error,
> 
> so Wormley cannot decide if universe is flat or open, just not closed,

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#539232

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-14 17:43 -0800
Message-ID<761d00e2-e8bc-4ddf-a747-11a3573ac263@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#538800
On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 4:40:53 PM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> 
> How flat is flat? Keep in mind you can;t go in a spaceship from A to B in a straight line.If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you started from.If it sounds like going around the world,it is. So How flat is the world.?Think saddle shape it fits  TreBert

The 94% of the universe that is missing has the shape of a SADDLE,and that fits with my CONCAVE & CONVEX Theory. It gives the universe its attraction locally and its acceleration far out. Get the picture  TreBert

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#539242

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-14 20:26 -0600
Message-ID<ivSdne1A88Pd5_LLnZ2dnUU7-QOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#539232
On 12/14/15 7:43 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> The 94% of the universe that is missing has the shape of a SADDLE,and
> that fits with my CONCAVE & CONVEX Theory. It gives the universe its
> attraction locally and its acceleration far out. Get the picture
> TreBert
>




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#539468

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-12-15 14:20 -0800
Message-ID<f7c4d7f8-10fa-4bb0-9619-0f4f405d5898@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#539232
On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 4:40:53 PM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> > 
> > How flat is flat? Keep in mind you can;t go in a spaceship from A to B in a straight line.If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you started from.If it sounds like going around the world,it is. So How flat is the world.?Think saddle shape it fits  TreBert
> 
> The 94% of the universe that is missing has the shape of a SADDLE,and that fits with my CONCAVE & CONVEX Theory. It gives the universe its attraction locally and its acceleration far out. Get the picture  TreBert


I know that the saddle shaped universe used to be a respectable theory, but I think it went out with horses and wagons!

Double-A

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#539480

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-15 14:34 -0800
Message-ID<e94a1be2-7cef-4480-a5b7-d35530515471@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#539468
On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 2:20:22 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 4:40:53 PM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> > > 
> > > How flat is flat? Keep in mind you can;t go in a spaceship from A to B in a straight line.If your spaceship kept going you would come back to the spot you started from.If it sounds like going around the world,it is. So How flat is the world.?Think saddle shape it fits  TreBert
> > 
> > The 94% of the universe that is missing has the shape of a SADDLE,and that fits with my CONCAVE & CONVEX Theory. It gives the universe its attraction locally and its acceleration far out. Get the picture  TreBert
> 
> 
> I know that the saddle shaped universe used to be a respectable theory, but I think it went out with horses and wagons!
> 
> Double-A

AA with everything in motion the shapes of universe has to change its shape,and it must get a different shape about every 11 billion years.TreBerrt

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#539914

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-17 13:17 -0800
Message-ID<9e3fb7d0-5892-4920-ab9e-37f6b792a444@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#538662
On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!

Gammor at MIT did the math before BB radiation (2.7) K was discovered.It was on the money.He was like Fermi and me  TreBert 

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#539917

Fromdobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-17 13:28 -0800
Message-ID<ad238fa0-f80a-42c3-aabf-b1bed2938421@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#539914
yin verse over uni verse 
is 
uni verse over verse out

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