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Nobody understands relativity

Started byJulio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name>
First post2026-06-06 12:59 +0200
Last post2026-07-02 00:09 +0000
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  Nobody understands relativity Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2026-06-06 12:59 +0200
    Re: Nobody understands relativity Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:07 +0000
    Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-06 20:19 +0200
      Re: Nobody understands relativity Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2026-06-06 21:23 +0200
        Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 16:57 -0700
        Re: Nobody understands relativity nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-07 10:54 +0200
          Re: Nobody understands relativity Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2026-06-07 13:13 +0200
            Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 08:25 -0700
              Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 09:06 -0700
                Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 09:21 -0700
                  Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 09:50 -0700
                    Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 09:59 -0700
                      Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 08:46 -0700
                        Re: Nobody understands relativity nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-09 13:41 +0200
                          Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 07:15 -0700
        Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-07 13:30 +0200
          Re: Nobody understands relativity Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2026-06-07 13:37 +0200
            Re: Nobody understands relativity Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-06-07 11:40 +0000
            Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-07 13:58 +0200
              Re: Nobody understands relativity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-06-08 10:17 +0200
          Re: Nobody understands relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-06-07 21:43 -0700
          Re: Nobody understands relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-06-07 21:48 -0700
            Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-08 07:41 +0200
              Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-08 09:50 +0200
                Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-08 10:46 +0200
                  Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-08 19:16 +0200
                    Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-08 19:42 +0200
                      Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 16:54 -0700
                        Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 07:34 +0200
                          Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 10:59 +0200
                            Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 11:06 +0200
                              Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 20:22 +0200
                                Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 20:55 +0200
                      Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 10:32 +0200
                        Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 11:00 +0200
                          Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 20:56 +0200
                            Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 21:01 +0200
                              Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 21:46 +0200
                                Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 22:03 +0200
                        Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 07:10 -0700
                          Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 07:22 -0700
                            Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 07:31 -0700
                              Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 07:40 -0700
                                Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 10:41 +0200
                                  Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 01:45 -0700
                                    Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 11:26 +0200
                                    Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 11:30 +0200
                                      Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon (Re: Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 11:37 +0200
                                        The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-25 19:12 +0200
                                          Re: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-28 14:15 +0200
                                          Estimating P(doom E-graphs) to < 10% (Was: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-28 14:15 +0200
                                  Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 07:13 -0700
                                    Brova you enjoy made up nonsense? [Einstein tech cult] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 17:07 +0200
                                  Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-02 18:41 +0200
                                  Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite! (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-02 18:41 +0200
                                    So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done! [Langlands FML and SML] (Was: Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-03 01:40 +0200
                          Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 21:05 +0200
                            Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 08:39 -0700
                              Re: Nobody understands relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-06-10 14:53 -0700
                                Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 18:20 -0700
                                  Re: Nobody understands relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-06-10 20:48 -0700
                                    Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-12 08:13 -0700
                                      Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-12 08:42 -0700
                                  Re: Nobody understands relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-06-10 22:54 -0700
                                Re: Nobody understands relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-06-12 13:39 -0700
                                  Re: Nobody understands relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 09:05 -0700
      Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-06 21:24 +0200
        Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-07 13:45 +0200
          Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-07 15:14 +0200
    Re: Nobody understands relativity nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-07 10:54 +0200
    Re: Nobody understands relativity marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 00:09 +0000

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#896078

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-09 07:22 -0700
Message-ID<PTKdndjUXso-vLX3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896076
On 06/09/2026 07:10 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 06/09/2026 01:32 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 08.06.2026 19:42, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
>>> On 6/8/2026 7:16 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>
>>>> Which definition of second is used in the synchronisation
>>>> of the rate of atomic clocks?
>>
>>> Of course it's not yours. Your idiot guru
>>> has forbidden synchronization of clocks
>>> as it was violating his moronic symmetry -
>>> and  your SI idiocy has been invented
>>> to enforce his madness.
>>>
>>
>> Why do you pretend not to know?
>>
>> Even you must know that the SI-definition of second
>> is inbuilt in an atomic clock.
>>
>> Or do you think that all atomic clocks must be brought
>> to the museum at Greenwich to be calibrated to the old
>> definition of second ? :-D
>>
>
> What about that _length_ and _distance_ have different units,
> about the _metric_ and _norm_, about _distance_ being _length_
> in _time_, that time (its elapsed duration) could be defined
> according to space-contraction instead of the other way around?
>
>
> According to "references", ....
>
>
> Otherwise those are going to vary under gravity, under acceleration,
> and so on.
>
>
> While there's often mentioned the GPS reference frequency,
> not so much the GPS station operator's and station-keeping guide,
> with that receivers >> stations.
>
> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
> in a museum in France".
>
>

The NIST Particle Data Group CODATA releases the measured values
of fundamental physical constants every few years, the small ones
get not only more precise, also _smaller_, helping also inform that
the "running constants" of physics get involved.

So, physics is according to NIST CODATA, with SI: Systeme
Internationale, a reduced second, i.e. not first and quite reduced.


Then most people are also unawares how things like Boltzmann and
Planck constants as physical constants are much mathematical constants
that reflect their placement in terms for algebraic reductions again,
for example the roots of x^2 +-x +-1 like the molar gas constant in
the Boltzmann constant, then as with regards to Planck constant about
what mathematical reductionism is ongoing in the Planckian, why
those aren't exactly "physical" constants.


Anyways that "time" can be defined by "an average field of quasar
measurements" is a thing.

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#896079

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-09 07:31 -0700
Message-ID<-nGdnaezj6g3vrX3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896078
On 06/09/2026 07:22 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 06/09/2026 07:10 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 06/09/2026 01:32 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 08.06.2026 19:42, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
>>>> On 6/8/2026 7:16 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Which definition of second is used in the synchronisation
>>>>> of the rate of atomic clocks?
>>>
>>>> Of course it's not yours. Your idiot guru
>>>> has forbidden synchronization of clocks
>>>> as it was violating his moronic symmetry -
>>>> and  your SI idiocy has been invented
>>>> to enforce his madness.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you pretend not to know?
>>>
>>> Even you must know that the SI-definition of second
>>> is inbuilt in an atomic clock.
>>>
>>> Or do you think that all atomic clocks must be brought
>>> to the museum at Greenwich to be calibrated to the old
>>> definition of second ? :-D
>>>
>>
>> What about that _length_ and _distance_ have different units,
>> about the _metric_ and _norm_, about _distance_ being _length_
>> in _time_, that time (its elapsed duration) could be defined
>> according to space-contraction instead of the other way around?
>>
>>
>> According to "references", ....
>>
>>
>> Otherwise those are going to vary under gravity, under acceleration,
>> and so on.
>>
>>
>> While there's often mentioned the GPS reference frequency,
>> not so much the GPS station operator's and station-keeping guide,
>> with that receivers >> stations.
>>
>> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
>> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
>> in a museum in France".
>>
>>
>
> The NIST Particle Data Group CODATA releases the measured values
> of fundamental physical constants every few years, the small ones
> get not only more precise, also _smaller_, helping also inform that
> the "running constants" of physics get involved.
>
> So, physics is according to NIST CODATA, with SI: Systeme
> Internationale, a reduced second, i.e. not first and quite reduced.
>
>
> Then most people are also unawares how things like Boltzmann and
> Planck constants as physical constants are much mathematical constants
> that reflect their placement in terms for algebraic reductions again,
> for example the roots of x^2 +-x +-1 like the molar gas constant in
> the Boltzmann constant, then as with regards to Planck constant about
> what mathematical reductionism is ongoing in the Planckian, why
> those aren't exactly "physical" constants.
>
>
> Anyways that "time" can be defined by "an average field of quasar
> measurements" is a thing.
>
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron

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#896080

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-09 07:40 -0700
Message-ID<bIycnWjd8J1CuLX3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896079
On 06/09/2026 07:31 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 06/09/2026 07:22 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 06/09/2026 07:10 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2026 01:32 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>> Den 08.06.2026 19:42, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
>>>>> On 6/8/2026 7:16 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Which definition of second is used in the synchronisation
>>>>>> of the rate of atomic clocks?
>>>>
>>>>> Of course it's not yours. Your idiot guru
>>>>> has forbidden synchronization of clocks
>>>>> as it was violating his moronic symmetry -
>>>>> and  your SI idiocy has been invented
>>>>> to enforce his madness.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you pretend not to know?
>>>>
>>>> Even you must know that the SI-definition of second
>>>> is inbuilt in an atomic clock.
>>>>
>>>> Or do you think that all atomic clocks must be brought
>>>> to the museum at Greenwich to be calibrated to the old
>>>> definition of second ? :-D
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about that _length_ and _distance_ have different units,
>>> about the _metric_ and _norm_, about _distance_ being _length_
>>> in _time_, that time (its elapsed duration) could be defined
>>> according to space-contraction instead of the other way around?
>>>
>>>
>>> According to "references", ....
>>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise those are going to vary under gravity, under acceleration,
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>>
>>> While there's often mentioned the GPS reference frequency,
>>> not so much the GPS station operator's and station-keeping guide,
>>> with that receivers >> stations.
>>>
>>> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
>>> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
>>> in a museum in France".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The NIST Particle Data Group CODATA releases the measured values
>> of fundamental physical constants every few years, the small ones
>> get not only more precise, also _smaller_, helping also inform that
>> the "running constants" of physics get involved.
>>
>> So, physics is according to NIST CODATA, with SI: Systeme
>> Internationale, a reduced second, i.e. not first and quite reduced.
>>
>>
>> Then most people are also unawares how things like Boltzmann and
>> Planck constants as physical constants are much mathematical constants
>> that reflect their placement in terms for algebraic reductions again,
>> for example the roots of x^2 +-x +-1 like the molar gas constant in
>> the Boltzmann constant, then as with regards to Planck constant about
>> what mathematical reductionism is ongoing in the Planckian, why
>> those aren't exactly "physical" constants.
>>
>>
>> Anyways that "time" can be defined by "an average field of quasar
>> measurements" is a thing.
>>
>>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron
>
>

So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.

Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.

About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.


So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.


Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.


Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.

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#896460 — Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-07-27 10:41 +0200
SubjectHyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)
Message-ID<11475ju$fsrh$1@solani.org>
In reply to#896080
Hi,

Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.

The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.

Bye

Ross Finlayson schrieb:
> 
> So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
> 
> Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
> regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
> 
> About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
> similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
> about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
> Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
> measuring time.
> 
> 
> So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
> and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
> 
> 
> Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
> it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
> 
> 
> Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
> on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
> 
> 

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#896461 — Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-27 01:45 -0700
SubjectRe: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)
Message-ID<0jWdnUSmIegmh_r3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896460
On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>
> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>
> Bye
>
> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>
>> So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>
>> Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>> regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>
>> About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>> similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>> about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>> Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>> measuring time.
>>
>>
>> So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>> and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>
>>
>> Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>> it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>> on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>
>>
>

"Hyper [....]"  Hyper-active.

Tweakers aren't reliable.

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#896464 — Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-07-27 11:26 +0200
SubjectForget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)
Message-ID<114787q$fv28$1@solani.org>
In reply to#896461
Hi,

The nature of time has puzzled people -- from the ancient
Greeks to the present day -- Especially the nosomatic
perception of tie is a hot topic now.

How does time evolve inside a GPU with multiple units
or a CPU with multiple cores. GPUs even having multiple
logical threads inside a group.

Forget the von Neumann model of computing. You need
a total new thinking of shared memory and more
message passing, and have a grip of vector and

matrix tiling of problems. pi-WAM already deploys
logic tiling in its Seven Eleven demonstrator. So forget
everything you have learned in your BASIC computer

course for your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088.

Bye

Ross Finlayson schrieb:
> On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>
>> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>
>>> So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>>> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>>
>>> Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>>> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>> regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>>
>>> About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>> similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>> about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>>> Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>>> measuring time.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>>> and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>> it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>> on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> "Hyper [....]"  Hyper-active.
> 
> Tweakers aren't reliable.
> 
> 

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#896465 — Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-07-27 11:30 +0200
SubjectForget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)
Message-ID<11478gh$fv28$4@solani.org>
In reply to#896461
Hi,

The nature of time has puzzled people -- from the ancient
Greeks to the present day -- Especially the nosomatic
perception of time is a hot topic now.

How does time evolve inside a GPU with multiple units
or a CPU with multiple cores. GPUs even having multiple
logical threads inside a group.

Forget the von Neumann model of computing. You need
a total new thinking of shared memory and more
message passing, and have a grip of vector and

matrix tiling of problems. π-WAM already deploys
logic tiling in its Seven Eleven demonstrator. So forget
everything you have learned in your BASIC computer

course for your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088.

Bye

Ross Finlayson schrieb:
> On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>
>> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>
>>> So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>>> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>>
>>> Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>>> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>> regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>>
>>> About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>> similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>> about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>>> Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>>> measuring time.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>>> and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>> it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>> on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> "Hyper [....]"  Hyper-active.
> 
> Tweakers aren't reliable.
> 
> 

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#896466 — Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon (Re: Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling])

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-07-27 11:37 +0200
SubjectTrain yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon (Re: Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling])
Message-ID<11478t5$fvic$1@solani.org>
In reply to#896465
Hi,

A nosomatic AI chirurgeon is a halfling student
of sickness, and a master of the ebb and flow of
the energies of life and death of data packets.

He is a air bender, water bender and earth bender
in one person, using OpenVINO to juggle with
CPU, GPU and NPU.

Last but not least he can freely switch between
symbolic and neural representation of knowledge
forms, there is no abyss for him.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> The nature of time has puzzled people -- from the ancient
> Greeks to the present day -- Especially the nosomatic
> perception of time is a hot topic now.
> 
> How does time evolve inside a GPU with multiple units
> or a CPU with multiple cores. GPUs even having multiple
> logical threads inside a group.
> 
> Forget the von Neumann model of computing. You need
> a total new thinking of shared memory and more
> message passing, and have a grip of vector and
> 
> matrix tiling of problems. π-WAM already deploys
> logic tiling in its Seven Eleven demonstrator. So forget
> everything you have learned in your BASIC computer
> 
> course for your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088.
> 
> Bye

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#896982 — The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-09-25 19:12 +0200
SubjectThe future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon)
Message-ID<1196a2o$cfa0$2@solani.org>
In reply to#896466
Hi,

Non-uniform memory access (NUMA) is a computer
memory design used in multiprocessing, where the
memory access time depends on the memory location
relative to the processor.

The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous. In like
3-4 years from now, they might have 3.2 TB RAM
on a SOC, by not using HBM but HBF:

High Bandwidth Flash: What Is It Good For?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTpW52nioI

There might be new profession like nosomatic
AI chirurgeon (I made that up):

Tiny engine, immense model
https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri

The Brain page, Explore: the measured expert
atlas of GLM-5.2 drawn as a cortex. 13,260
characterised experts in ten regions (Python,
SQL, mathematics, poetry, law, Chinese…);

position is measured routing affinity, not a
learned embedding. We might want a brain to
amputate from the Python expert sections, so

that we can write code without a slow
CPython runtime.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> A nosomatic AI chirurgeon is a halfling student
> of sickness, and a master of the ebb and flow of
> the energies of life and death of data packets.
> 
> He is a air bender, water bender and earth bender
> in one person, using OpenVINO to juggle with
> CPU, GPU and NPU.
> 
> Last but not least he can freely switch between
> symbolic and neural representation of knowledge
> forms, there is no abyss for him.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The nature of time has puzzled people -- from the ancient
>> Greeks to the present day -- Especially the nosomatic
>> perception of time is a hot topic now.
>>
>> How does time evolve inside a GPU with multiple units
>> or a CPU with multiple cores. GPUs even having multiple
>> logical threads inside a group.
>>
>> Forget the von Neumann model of computing. You need
>> a total new thinking of shared memory and more
>> message passing, and have a grip of vector and
>>
>> matrix tiling of problems. π-WAM already deploys
>> logic tiling in its Seven Eleven demonstrator. So forget
>> everything you have learned in your BASIC computer
>>
>> course for your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088.
>>
>> Bye
> 

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#897022 — Re: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-09-28 14:15 +0200
SubjectRe: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon)
Message-ID<119dlo6$houj$3@solani.org>
In reply to#896982
Hi,

Yesterday I had the feeling P(doom E-graphs) > 10%,
since they have E-boost intiatives where they use
parallism and more heuristics, also tapping into GPUs,

TPUs, NPUs, etc.. you name it. So Prolog might sooner
or later feel the wind of E-boost Schinkansen? Now
I have the feeling the E-graph community is still

in the nowhere of la la land. Reading:

recording out of egraphs
https://www.philipzucker.com/

WTF is "recording out" ? Look at that beauty of
SWI-Prolog unifiable/3 predicate. It can even deal
with cyclic terms:

?- unifiable(f(X,X,X),f(Z,b,Y), L).
L = [Y=b, X=b, Z=X].

?- unifiable(f(X,Y),f(f(A,Y),f(B,X)), L).
L = [Y=f(B, X), X=f(A, Y)].

You can even code unifiable/3 in 100% Prolog itself,
BTW I am not saying it would be pure. But it wont need
any extensions that go beyond ISO core standard.

You could even experiment with a unification that
does minimization (*), but most Prolog systems don't
do that for their unification:

?- unifiable(X, f(f(X)), L).
L = [X=f(f(X))].

Bye

(*)
Gerhard Huet was all in for minimizations, but the sad
news is while terms have minimal forms, equations don't
really have unique minimal forms, this transpired only later.

RESOLUTION D'EQUATIONS DANS DES LANGAGES D'ORDRE 1,2,.••,
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/213879499

Algorithms for equivalence and reduction to minimal form
https://hal.science/hal-01239749v1/document

Mild Shock schrieb:
 > Hi,
 >
 > Non-uniform memory access (NUMA) is a computer
 > memory design used in multiprocessing, where the
 > memory access time depends on the memory location
 > relative to the processor.
 >
 > The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous. In like
 > 3-4 years from now, they might have 3.2 TB RAM
 > on a SOC, by not using HBM but HBF:
 >
 > High Bandwidth Flash: What Is It Good For?
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTpW52nioI
 >
 > There might be new profession like nosomatic
 > AI chirurgeon (I made that up):
 >
 > Tiny engine, immense model
 > https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri
 >
 > The Brain page, Explore: the measured expert
 > atlas of GLM-5.2 drawn as a cortex. 13,260
 > characterised experts in ten regions (Python,
 > SQL, mathematics, poetry, law, Chinese…);
 >
 > position is measured routing affinity, not a
 > learned embedding. We might want a brain to
 > amputate from the Python expert sections, so
 >
 > that we can write code without a slow
 > CPython runtime.
 >
 > Bye

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#897023 — Estimating P(doom E-graphs) to < 10% (Was: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-09-28 14:15 +0200
SubjectEstimating P(doom E-graphs) to < 10% (Was: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous)
Message-ID<119dlop$houj$4@solani.org>
In reply to#896982

Hi,

Yesterday I had the feeling P(doom E-graphs) > 10%,
since they have E-boost intiatives where they use
parallism and more heuristics, also tapping into GPUs,

TPUs, NPUs, etc.. you name it. So Prolog might sooner
or later feel the wind of E-boost Schinkansen? Now
I have the feeling the E-graph community is still

in the nowhere of la la land. Reading:

recording out of egraphs
https://www.philipzucker.com/

WTF is "recording out" ? Look at that beauty of
SWI-Prolog unifiable/3 predicate. It can even deal
with cyclic terms:

?- unifiable(f(X,X,X),f(Z,b,Y), L).
L = [Y=b, X=b, Z=X].

?- unifiable(f(X,Y),f(f(A,Y),f(B,X)), L).
L = [Y=f(B, X), X=f(A, Y)].

You can even code unifiable/3 in 100% Prolog itself,
BTW I am not saying it would be pure. But it wont need
any extensions that go beyond ISO core standard.

You could even experiment with a unification that
does minimization (*), but most Prolog systems don't
do that for their unification:

?- unifiable(X, f(f(X)), L).
L = [X=f(f(X))].

Bye

(*)
Gerhard Huet was all in for minimizations, but the sad
news is while terms have minimal forms, equations don't
really have unique minimal forms, this transpired only later.

RESOLUTION D'EQUATIONS DANS DES LANGAGES D'ORDRE 1,2,.••,
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/213879499

Algorithms for equivalence and reduction to minimal form
https://hal.science/hal-01239749v1/document

Mild Shock schrieb:
 > Hi,
 >
 > Non-uniform memory access (NUMA) is a computer
 > memory design used in multiprocessing, where the
 > memory access time depends on the memory location
 > relative to the processor.
 >
 > The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous. In like
 > 3-4 years from now, they might have 3.2 TB RAM
 > on a SOC, by not using HBM but HBF:
 >
 > High Bandwidth Flash: What Is It Good For?
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTpW52nioI
 >
 > There might be new profession like nosomatic
 > AI chirurgeon (I made that up):
 >
 > Tiny engine, immense model
 > https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri
 >
 > The Brain page, Explore: the measured expert
 > atlas of GLM-5.2 drawn as a cortex. 13,260
 > characterised experts in ten regions (Python,
 > SQL, mathematics, poetry, law, Chinese…);
 >
 > position is measured routing affinity, not a
 > learned embedding. We might want a brain to
 > amputate from the Python expert sections, so
 >
 > that we can write code without a slow
 > CPython runtime.
 >
 > Bye

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#896470 — Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-27 07:13 -0700
SubjectRe: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)
Message-ID<MEydnZAfLIzg-vr3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896460
On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>
> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>
> Bye
>
> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>
>> So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>
>> Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>> regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>
>> About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>> similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>> about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>> Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>> measuring time.
>>
>>
>> So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>> and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>
>>
>> Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>> it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>> on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>
>>
>


Well, like Einstein says, relativity is defined
by at least two different clocks -
might as well be three.



That's a good quote, I quote me on that.

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#896473 — Brova you enjoy made up nonsense? [Einstein tech cult] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-07-27 17:07 +0200
SubjectBrova you enjoy made up nonsense? [Einstein tech cult] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)
Message-ID<1147s6m$gebq$1@solani.org>
In reply to#896470
Hi,

You refuse to undertand the NVIDIA Volta
archecture. You claim to like in the
sense of "That's a good quote" some

completely made up nonsense? Bravo! I just
copied a nasa article title, which had nothing
to do with "time" per se:

CLARREO Pathfinder
https://science.nasa.gov/mission/clarreo-pathfinder/

Its more a very big vacuum cleaner, that can
scan highly accurate measurements of sunlight
reflected by the Earth and the Moon.

You are just a moron, that still feels harware
evelution a treat, but would like to see data
from a Einstein pathfinder. As if this

is not the ultimate tech cult?

As always you suck, like nobody else ever
sucked on the usenet. You are just completely
bonkers, the bigger crank than Archimedes

Plutonion and John Gabriel.

Bye

Ross Finlayson schrieb:
> On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>
>> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>
>>> So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>>> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>>
>>> Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>>> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>> regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>>
>>> About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>> similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>> about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>>> Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>>> measuring time.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>>> and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>> it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>> on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 
> Well, like Einstein says, relativity is defined
> by at least two different clocks -
> might as well be three.
> 
> 
> 
> That's a good quote, I quote me on that.
> 
> 

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#897063 — Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-10-02 18:41 +0200
SubjectRe: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Was: Nobody understands relativity)
Message-ID<119omr8$pkou$3@solani.org>
In reply to#896460
Hi,

OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.

So they are now takling:

Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM

Infinite fun with infinite worlds
https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html

A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
speaker of the effort said:

The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly through
wormholes, but the hurdle will be hight that

a single human mathematician mind might
ingest, understand and interpret it.

Bye


Mild Shock schrieb:
 > Hi,
 >
 > Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
 > reached a significant milestone this summer.
 >
 > The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
 > to measure time, so forget Colorado.
 >
 > Bye
 >
 > Ross Finlayson schrieb:
 >  >
 >  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
 >  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
 >  >
 >  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
 >  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
 >  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
 >  >
 >  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
 >  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
 >  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
 >  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
 >  > measuring time.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
 >  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
 >  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
 >  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
 >
 > Mild Shock schrieb:
 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
 >>  > Or shaves pennies.
 >>
 >>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
 >>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
 >>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
 >>
 >> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
 >>
 >> LoL
 >>
 >> Bye
 >>
 >> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
 >> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
 >>
 >> Version release notes
 >> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
 >> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
 >>
 >> Mild Shock schrieb:
 >>> Hi,
 >>>
 >>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
 >>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
 >>>
 >>> Bye
 >>>
 >>> Mild Shock schrieb:
 >>>> Hi,
 >>>>
 >>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
 >>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
 >>>>
 >>>> This looks bad:
 >>>>
 >>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
 >>>> 9122171.18175435
 >>>>
 >>>> Expected result:
 >>>>
 >>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
 >>>> 9122171.181754
 >>>>
 >>>> Bye
 >>>>
 >>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
 >>>>
 >>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI 
processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
 >>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
 >>>>
 >>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
 >>>>  >>> See also:
 >>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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#897064 — Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite! (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-10-02 18:41 +0200
SubjectDark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite! (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)
Message-ID<119omsb$pkou$4@solani.org>
In reply to#896460
Hi,

OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.

So they are now takling:

Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM

Infinite fun with infinite worlds
https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html

A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
speaker of the effort said:

The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly through
wormholes, but the hurdle will be hight that

a single human mathematician mind might
ingest, understand and interpret it.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>
> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>
> Bye
>
> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>  >
>  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>  >
>  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>  >
>  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>  > measuring time.
>  >
>  >
>  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>  >
>  >
>  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>  >
>  >
>  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>  > Or shaves pennies.
>>
>>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>
>> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
>>
>> LoL
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
>> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
>>
>> Version release notes
>> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
>> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
>>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
>>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
>>>>
>>>> This looks bad:
>>>>
>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>> 9122171.18175435
>>>>
>>>> Expected result:
>>>>
>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>> 9122171.181754
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
>>>>
>>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI 
processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>  >>> See also:
>>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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#897070 — So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done! [Langlands FML and SML] (Was: Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite!)

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2026-10-03 01:40 +0200
SubjectSo it was a race against Buzzard. Well done! [Langlands FML and SML] (Was: Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite!)
Message-ID<119pfcm$nbsg$3@solani.org>
In reply to#897064
Hi,

There's a larger project called FALSE (Formalising
Arithmetic in the Lean Software Environment)
explicitly aimed at "making progress towards
  formalising the Langlands program" . And a

Twitter thread claims Claude autoformalized
the Fermat proof "in just 11 days," with Kevin
Buzzard now wanting to formalize the Langlands
program because he's "concerned it might
contain subtle errors"

Now look at this:

https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_FML

https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_SML

According to the related arvix paper:

So the provenance chain is: Dwork (attributed,
unpublished) → Langlands (used it) → Lakkis (partial
proof, sign issue) → Ueda (completes it, 2026). That's
the "mixtape" you're looking for — the mathematical
content passed through at least three hands before
Ueda's Lean formalization.

And then: "OpenAI ChatGPT was used extensively in
the development of this proof." The paper says ChatGPT
was used "to check calculations and compare them with
the arguments of Dwork, Langlands, and Lakkis, and
detect inconsistencies in intermediate versions of
the proof."

The author "checked the final mathematical
arguments and assumes responsibility."

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
> 
> So they are now takling:
> 
> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
> 
> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
> 
> 
> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
> speaker of the effort said:
> 
> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly through
> wormholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
> 
> a single human mathematician mind might
> ingest, understand and interpret it.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>
>> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>  >
>>  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>>  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>  >
>>  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>>  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>  >
>>  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>>  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>>  > measuring time.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>>  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>  > Or shaves pennies.
>>>
>>>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>>>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>
>>> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
>>>
>>> LoL
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
>>> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
>>>
>>> Version release notes
>>> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
>>> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
>>>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
>>>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
>>>>>
>>>>> This looks bad:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>>> 9122171.18175435
>>>>>
>>>>> Expected result:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>>> 9122171.181754
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
>>>>>
>>>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI 
> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>>
>>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>>  >>> See also:
>>>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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#896084

From"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Date2026-06-09 21:05 +0200
Message-ID<1109npe$76mb$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#896076
Den 09.06.2026 16:10, skrev Ross Finlayson:
> 
> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
> in a museum in France".
> 
> 

:-D

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#896088

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-10 08:39 -0700
Message-ID<J6KcnZPfV6_dGLT3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896084
On 06/09/2026 12:05 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 09.06.2026 16:10, skrev Ross Finlayson:
>>
>> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
>> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
>> in a museum in France".
>>
>>
>
> :-D
>

Thanks for writing.

I'm curious how to interpret the smiley, usually enough it's
a reaction of spontaneous happiness, yet in some regards it's
as like the monkey's grimace that's usually aggression or fear.

Then, the idea that there are "collective clocks" and that for
time there are independent metrologies of time as about

the atomic clock,
the synchroton clock,
and the quasar clock,

that would advise a lot of the context about "the clock hypothesis",
and also the role of clocks with rigid measuring rods of length,
for the metrology (the science of measurement) of space,
the metrologies, a metrology.

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#896089

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2026-06-10 14:53 -0700
Message-ID<6A29DCBE.3B20@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#896088
Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 06/09/2026 12:05 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> > Den 09.06.2026 16:10, skrev Ross Finlayson:
> >>
> >> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
> >> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
> >> in a museum in France".
> >>
> >>
> >
> > :-D
> >
> 
> Thanks for writing.
> 
> I'm curious how to interpret the smiley, usually enough it's
> a reaction of spontaneous happiness, yet in some regards it's
> as like the monkey's grimace that's usually aggression or fear.
> 
> Then, the idea that there are "collective clocks" and that for
> time there are independent metrologies of time as about
> 
> the atomic clock,
> the synchroton clock,
> and the quasar clock,

and the biological clock...It's LOGICAL!!! bio wise.

it's ticks.
it's tocks.

a pretty girl on a hot stove ..is relativity.



> 
> that would advise a lot of the context about "the clock hypothesis",
> and also the role of clocks with rigid measuring rods of length,
> for the metrology (the science of measurement) of space,
> the metrologies, a metrology.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#896090

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-10 18:20 -0700
Message-ID<C5mcnTjTDYfLkLf3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#896089
On 06/10/2026 02:53 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>
>> On 06/09/2026 12:05 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 09.06.2026 16:10, skrev Ross Finlayson:
>>>>
>>>> So, another way to identify a metrology of time is "quasars"
>>>> instead of "hyper-fine transitions of the cesium atom,
>>>> in a museum in France".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for writing.
>>
>> I'm curious how to interpret the smiley, usually enough it's
>> a reaction of spontaneous happiness, yet in some regards it's
>> as like the monkey's grimace that's usually aggression or fear.
>>
>> Then, the idea that there are "collective clocks" and that for
>> time there are independent metrologies of time as about
>>
>> the atomic clock,
>> the synchroton clock,
>> and the quasar clock,
>
> and the biological clock...It's LOGICAL!!! bio wise.
>
> it's ticks.
> it's tocks.
>
> a pretty girl on a hot stove ..is relativity.
>
>
>
>>
>> that would advise a lot of the context about "the clock hypothesis",
>> and also the role of clocks with rigid measuring rods of length,
>> for the metrology (the science of measurement) of space,
>> the metrologies, a metrology.
>

Shut up StarMaker, you never said any decent damn thing about science.

Trite trollop, ....

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