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Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
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Subject Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery
Date 2015-10-31 19:06 +0000
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery
>> http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/10/a-recipe-for-an-affordable-safe-and-scalable-flow-battery/
> 
>> Cheap membranes and simple chemicals could store massive amounts of
>> electricity.
>>
>> A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery
> 
>> Whether we are willing to admit it or not, we are all rather
>> dependent on batteries. We mostly think about small batteries at the
>> individual level?in our cell phones, watches, or laptops. But
>> batteries can be used in technologies that support multiple people,
>> like the hybrid car. As scientists develop batteries with larger
>> energy storage capacity, we can begin to expand our outlook to even
>> grander applications.
>>
>> If batteries could be designed to safely store large amounts of
>> energy, they could be integrated into the existing power grid. This
>> type of integration could be used to store energy harvested from
>> renewable sources such as solar and wind, and to smooth out sudden
>> surges in demand. Recent advancements in a technology called
>> redox-flow batteries (RFB) hold out a promise for scalable energy
>> storage.
>>
>> RFBs are composed of organic materials that are able to transport
>> electrons (redox-active). Almost all RFBs are composed of two pools
>> of liquid electrolyte separated by a membrane, which allows some ions
>> to cross between the two liquids. In these systems, electrons then
>> flow from the negatively charged liquid (anolyte) through to the
>> positive charged liquid (catholyte). These electrons can either
>> charge the system or be extracted for use. Since the key components
>> of the batteries are liquid, things can be scaled up simply by making
>> the holding tanks larger.
>>
>> A new, affordable battery platform
>>
>> In order for this energy storage technology to work, the membrane
>> must meet a high list of demands. The corrosive nature of the
>> electrolyte requires a membrane with very high chemical stability. To
>> commercialize the systems, the membrane needs to be inexpensive. All
>> the materials used in the system must also be easy to manufacture on
>> a large scale.
>>
>> The quality of the membrane is also of the utmost importance to the
>> RFB performance. It must allow solely for the flow of electrons and
>> must retain the active chemicals. This is critical to prevent
>> short-circuits and a self-discharge. The high cost of membranes that
>> meet these criteria poses a large obstacle to the commercialization
>> of many RFBs. One particularly common membrane, Nafion, accounts for
>> 40 percent of the cost of an entire cell.
>>
>> A team of scientists developed a battery system that combines a
>> water-based electrolyte with an organic reactive material and a
>> low-cost membrane. Their design includes an organic polymer as the
>> redox-active species, simple salt (NaCl) as the electrolyte, and a
>> regular dialysis membrane (the team used a cellulose-based dialysis
>> membrane). These membranes are very inexpensive and are typically
>> used at lab-scale to separate polymers

Yet another pie-in-the-sky flow battery, spamming shit head?

Or is this just yet another article about the flow battery you cut
and pasted a few days ago spamming shit head?

 
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 13:23 -0500
  Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-10-31 15:02 -0400
    Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:45 -0500
      Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-10-31 16:07 -0400
        Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:12 -0500
          Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-10-31 16:28 -0400
            Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:37 -0500
              Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-10-31 17:09 -0400
            Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:43 -0400
              Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-10-31 18:10 -0400
          Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-10-31 23:57 +0000
      Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:31 -0400
    Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 18:01 -0500
  Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:12 -0700
    Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:26 -0400
  Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-10-31 19:06 +0000
  Re: A recipe for an affordable, safe, and scalable flow battery gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-10-31 16:20 -0500

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