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Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts

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On 10/31/2018 12:02 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 31/10/2018 04:18, Steve wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:55:14 AM UTC+10:30, Keith Stein wrote:
>>> Summary:
>>>       1. The speed of light in intergalactic-space is slowing down.

This is not correct.

>>>       2. There was no "Big Bang"

This is correct.

>>>       3. There was no "Inflation"

Maybe, maybe not. The possible "inflation" would be due to the PART of 
the Red Shift actually due to velocity. In other words the anomalous 
"acceleration" of the universe expansion as people are guessing.

>>>       4. The galaxies are not accelerating away from us.

Pretty much true (see 3 above)

>>>       5. There is no "Dark Energy"

Well, sort of true. There may be energies as yet undiscovered, but that 
isn't the question. The problem is that once you make a big mistake 
which in this case is to assume that the Red shift is due to velocity, 
then you end up required to start inventing all manner of things to 
patch your theory so it does not fall apart. Dark mass being one of 
those things to explain the supposed accelerations that were an error to 
begin with. You start with a mistake and then pretty soon need a house 
of cards to support and confirm it. Note all the other "accepted facts" 
that have been derived from this one mistake such as how old our 
universe is and so forth.

>>> Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts,
>>>
>>> keith stein
>>
>> Hi Keith
>>
>> You'll have learned more for having questioned and tested conventional 
>> doctrine, and having sort alternative explanations, benefit from 
>> having viewed it from contrasted perspectives. Those who dont engage 
>> in this fashion, but rather except conventional theory as teacher 
>> prescribes it without having rationalized for themselves, they dont 
>> come to know the subjects in quite the same way. And I say this 
>> irrespective of whether the theories taught are correct or not. The 
>> road you are on can lead to a far superior education.
>>
>> Having tried to break conventional theory and failed, one can have 
>> learnt a great deal. Or perhaps one tries to break conventional theory 
>> and succeeds. Even better. But this is a lonely road, for 98% of 
>> people dont have the mindset of questioning doctrine, and you can 
>> expect their disagreement by default. But you will know this already
> 
> Thank you Steve,I appreciate that.
> 
> I am old enough to remember the time before the Big Bang :) ,
> and was always skeptical, and increasingly so as i witnessed
> the attempts to rescue the already preposterous cosmology with
> the ever more preposterous notions of "inflation" ,"dark matter",
> and their latest creation "dark energy".
> 
> I don't doubt that in the long run the "Big Bang" will be
> considered as little better than the notion that the Universe
> rides on the back of a turtle, or was it a tortoise ?
> 
> In the meantime, yes it is a lonely road, but i really don't
> mind the 'flames'.  Not nearly so bad as the 'flames' Giordando
> Bruno suffered eh!

Ah, the glory of the martyr!  Delusions of heroic science, have we? Eh?

I've been around long enough to have seen this sort of thing before and 
one day the "big Bang" will be totally discredited and then you can go 
confront all the "true believers" who argued for it tooth and nail and 
called you an idiot for "denying" true theory and every one of them will 
look you in the eye and deny that they ever supported the "big Bang" 
theory because "everybody knows" it's bogus. That's the way religion 
works.

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Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 16:25 +0000
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-29 20:34 +0100
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:00 +0000
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-05 09:52 -0600
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 14:33 -0500
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 13:38 -0800
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 19:03 -0800
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 12:54 -0700
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-29 14:16 -0700
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:19 +0000
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-29 15:57 -0700
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 16:20 +0000
          Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-30 18:48 +0100
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 18:10 -0800
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 18:54 -0800
        Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 14:28 -0800
      Einstein snubbed the Nobel committee. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-11-05 19:01 -0800
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 21:18 -0700
    Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 16:02 +0000
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 12:58 -0400
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 19:34 -0700
      Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-01 14:27 -0700
  Re: Alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:36 +0000

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