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Re: 'Space' is never empty

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: 'Space' is never empty
Date 2018-10-11 18:20 -0400
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On 10/11/2018 1:17 PM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 8:45:50 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
>> On 10/10/2018 6:41 PM, john wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> “I don’t find mathematics indecipherable. Maybe you and John do. Maybe you
>>> think this is”
>>> Translate it into something that makes sense.
>>> EXPLAIN your understanding.
>>>
>> Since mathematics is just a shorthand language of symbols, it is obvious
>> that anyone who understands mathematics can also translate the meaning
>> of any math into the long form of words. I've never heard Odd do that,
>> have you?
> 
> benj,
> Oversimplified nonsense. It is not just a matter of translating
> "F=ma" into "Force equals mass times acceleration". It is the description
> of how such ideas are applied and the precision of the results and
> the elegance of the mathematics that are part of truly understanding
> the physics as it describes the real world. Even that simple F=ma has
> been described in many ways in many books including but not limited
> to physics text books. All those descriptions do not provide the full
> meaning as well as a good understanding of the physics of F=ma.
> 
> Enjoy,
>    ed

You and Odd have no idea of the relationship between mathematics and 
science. The "elegance" of math does not create "elegance" in science 
except in your fantasy world. Math is precise because it's DEFINED that
way. F=ma is NOT physics. It is mathematics! Describing mathematics in 
words is NOT the same thing as describing the physics. Math is only a 
MODEL of the reality. You (and Odd) somehow have developed the idea 
(along with much of modern post-Einstein science) that math is more real 
than reality. It is NOT. What is "acceleration"? It's not even a real 
quanity. It is PURE fantasy. What does "times" mean? None of this is 
physics. Physics would ask what is a force? What is mass? How do they 
seem related. Until you get the physics knowing the math even in words 
is meaningless.

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'Space' is never empty Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 19:08 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-05 21:54 -0500
    Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 22:21 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 23:27 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 14:54 +0000
    Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 17:17 -0400
      Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-06 16:46 -0500
        Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 22:10 -0400
    Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 21:31 -0700
      Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 12:25 +0000
        Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 05:31 -0700
          Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 14:30 +0000
        Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 09:07 -0700
          Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:36 +0000
            Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 21:31 -0700
              Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 06:02 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 11:54 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 10:24 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 12:33 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 19:44 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 09:00 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 18:58 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 14:53 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 20:59 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-09 21:23 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 05:52 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:44 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 06:59 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 15:59 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:12 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 18:01 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 22:14 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 15:41 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 00:07 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 20:50 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 23:33 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:01 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 17:57 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 18:28 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 22:52 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 09:58 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:57 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 22:34 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 20:45 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:13 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 17:57 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 18:52 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 22:56 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 05:55 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 13:15 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 06:51 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 14:13 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:07 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:52 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:20 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 22:11 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 21:49 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 13:35 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 21:59 -0700
                You can't _ measure motion if you never stop measuring. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-13 22:51 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 10:17 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 18:20 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 09:50 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:24 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 12:47 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 20:43 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 00:03 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:29 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:49 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 16:59 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 18:23 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 13:27 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 07:39 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:00 -0400
                Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-13 22:38 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 23:39 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 14:45 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 08:04 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 16:12 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 20:20 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 13:40 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 13:52 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 21:09 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 18:18 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 05:34 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 14:24 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 21:44 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Rogue Cormac <kremvax2004@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-14 10:58 -0600
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 19:06 +0200
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-14 14:49 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 23:06 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 10:34 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 09:33 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:48 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 13:35 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:29 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 11:10 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-17 14:33 -0500
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 18:58 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 23:54 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 13:22 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:42 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 15:59 +0000
              Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 13:21 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 11:55 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-08 09:47 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-08 11:51 -0500
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-08 09:58 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 17:13 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 12:04 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 17:39 -0700
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                Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-11 19:43 -0500
      Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 10:20 -0700
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          Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 12:13 -0700
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