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Re: 'Space' is never empty

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: 'Space' is never empty
Date 2018-10-11 13:06 +0000
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benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/10/2018 8:07 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> “I don’t find mathematics indecipherable. Maybe you and John do. Maybe you
>>> think this is”
>>> Translate it into something that makes sense.
>> 
>> Mathematics makes sense. In fact, it is a BETTER language for a number of
>> things.
> 
> Odd does the lawyer tap dance! Rather than demonstrating that he knows 
> math well enough to translate the language into words, instead he simply 
> says it's BETTER than words (and thus because it's better he doesn't 
> need to demonstrate what he is not capable do doing)
> 
>> What you just said is like saying to someone speaking Japanese, “Use a
>> language that makes sense.” Too parochial to be a grownup.
> 
> No. He's saying is you claim to understand Japanese, then translate a 
> little Japanese into English for us to prove you can do what you say.

This would prove nothing, because he doesn’t understand the math enough to
know whether I’ve translated it correctly. For that matter, recall that you
were not able to adequately translate even one of Maxwell’s equations into
words well enough for John to understand the content. Instead you fell back
on excuses that “anyone familiar with the physics would know what I mean.” 
Which completely made the point for me that for someone to discuss physics,
they really do need to learn the languages, including the jargon and the
math.  

You can’t do it otherwise. I can’t either. Stop trying to bait me into
lowering everything to John’s level because you can’t do it either. 

So maybe you and I can discuss physics. But John won’t know what we are
talking about, because he just won’t bother to learn it. 

> 
>>> EXPLAIN your understanding.
>>> 
>> 
>> Sure. With math. You too old to learn math? I’m not.
> 
> And as usual lapses into name-calling to change the subject away from 
> the fact that Odd has been called out and found wanting.
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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'Space' is never empty Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 19:08 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-05 21:54 -0500
    Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 22:21 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 23:27 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 14:54 +0000
    Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 17:17 -0400
      Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-06 16:46 -0500
        Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 22:10 -0400
    Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 21:31 -0700
      Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 12:25 +0000
        Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 05:31 -0700
          Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 14:30 +0000
        Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 09:07 -0700
          Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:36 +0000
            Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 21:31 -0700
              Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 06:02 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 11:54 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 10:24 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 12:33 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 19:44 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 09:00 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 18:58 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 14:53 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 20:59 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-09 21:23 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 05:52 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:44 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 06:59 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 15:59 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:12 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 18:01 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 22:14 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 15:41 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 00:07 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 20:50 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 23:33 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:01 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 17:57 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 18:28 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 22:52 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 09:58 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:57 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 22:34 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 20:45 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:13 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 17:57 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 18:52 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 22:56 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 05:55 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 13:15 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 06:51 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 14:13 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:07 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:52 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:20 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 22:11 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 21:49 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 13:35 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 21:59 -0700
                You can't _ measure motion if you never stop measuring. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-13 22:51 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 10:17 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 18:20 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 09:50 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:24 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 12:47 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 20:43 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 00:03 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:29 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:49 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 16:59 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 18:23 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 13:27 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 07:39 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:00 -0400
                Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-13 22:38 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 23:39 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 14:45 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 08:04 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 16:12 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 20:20 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 13:40 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 13:52 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 21:09 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 18:18 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 05:34 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 14:24 +0000
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 21:44 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Rogue Cormac <kremvax2004@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-14 10:58 -0600
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 19:06 +0200
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-14 14:49 -0700
                Re: Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 23:06 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 10:34 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 09:33 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:48 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 13:35 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:29 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 11:10 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-17 14:33 -0500
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 18:58 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 23:54 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 13:22 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:42 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 15:59 +0000
              Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 13:21 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 11:55 -0400
                Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-08 09:47 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-08 11:51 -0500
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-08 09:58 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 17:13 +0000
                Re: 'Space' is never empty yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 12:04 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 17:39 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Ivan Smith <invalid@example.com> - 2018-10-11 08:28 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-10-11 18:20 -0700
                Re: 'Space' is never empty Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-11 19:43 -0500
      Re: 'Space' is never empty Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 10:20 -0700
        Re: 'Space' is never empty yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 11:58 -0700
          Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-17 12:13 -0700
            Re: 'Space' is never empty benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:51 -0400
  'Space' is never empty john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 07:55 -0700
  Re: 'Space' is never empty mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-12 13:32 -0700

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