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Re: The Top Lies and Deceptions of Loose Change

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:31:11 -0400, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler  
Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> wrote:

> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/top-lies-and-deceptions-of-loose.html>
> ===========================================================
> 1. Claim: Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the
> Pentagon, participated in an exercise simulating crashing a 757 into a
> building in October 2000, before retiring to take a job at American
> Airlines.
>
> Truth: Charles Burlingame started working for AA in 1979 and retired
> from the Naval Reserve in 1996, 4 years before these supposed
> exercises took place.
> Source:<http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm>
> ---------------
> 2. Claim: Investors with prior knowledge of 9/11 made millions buying
> put options on airline stock.
>
> Truth: Both the 9/11 committee and business journalists investigated
> this claim and found nothing unusual. Much of the investment also
> involved purchasing airline stock.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/sell-sell-sell.html>
> ---------------
> 3. Claim: Plane crashing into World Trade Center was identified as a
> windowless cargo plane.
>
> Truth: The man who claimed this, Marc Birnbach, was over 2 miles away
> at the time.
> Source:
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20090220062801/http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=3&c=y>
> ---------------
> 4. Claim: An air traffic controller reported that they thought flight
> 77 was a military plane.
>
> Truth: The full quote was referring to the unsafe way the plane was
> flying, not that it was impossible for a civilian plane to fly like
> that. "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all
> thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic
> controllers, that that was a military plane you don't fly a 757 in
> that manner. It's unsafe."
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/it-was-military-plane.html>
> ---------------
> 5. Claim, Flight 77 managed to tear 5 light poles completely out of
> the ground, without damaging either the wings or the light poles
> themselves.
>
> Truth: We don’t know that the wings were undamaged, since they crashed
> into the Pentagon fractions of a second later. There are pictures of
> the light poles, however, which show them broken and twisted.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/those-magic-light-poles.html>
> ---------------
> 6. Claim: The official explanation for flight 77 at the Pentagon is
> that the intense heat from the jet fuel vaporized the entire plane.
>
> Truth: No official has made that claim, and in fact numerous pieces of
> the plane, including the bodies of the passengers, and the black boxes
> were found.
> Source: <http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html>
> ---------------
> 7. Claim: A spokesman for Rolls-Royce stated that engine parts found
> at the Pentagon did not belong to any of their engines.
>
> Truth: The spokesman stated specifically that he was not an engineer
> and was not familiar with the engine in question.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/jet-engine-red-herrings.html>
> ---------------
> 8. Claim: Karl Schwarz President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos
> Nanotechnologies LLC and I-Nets Security Systems, identified the
> engine as being a JT8D turbojet engine belonging to an A-3 Skywarrior.
>
> Karl Schwarz is a proven fraud and conspiracy theorist, with no known
> background in technology or avionics. His companies are shell
> corporations with no employees or products. Furthermore, the A-3
> Skywarrior never used a JT8D engine. The engine in question is
> consistent with that of the Rolls-Royce RB211 used by the 757.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/who-is-karl-schwarz.html>
> Source: <http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml>
> ---------------
> 9. Claim: Employees at the Pentagon were seen suspiciously carrying
> away a large box shrouded in a blue tarp.
>
> Truth: The blue tarp was a tent, used to aid in the crash response.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/its-just-mistake.html>
> ---------------
> 10. Claim: The damage to the Pentagon was completely inconsistent with
> a Boeing 757.
>
> Truth: Studies by NIST, the ASCE and Purdue University, including
> computer simulations show that the damage was perfectly in keeping
> with a crashing airplane.
> Source:
> <http://web.archive.org/web/20070706182955/http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0203feat.html>
> ===========================================================
>
>
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/top-lies-and-deceptions-of-loose_15.html>
> ===========================================================
> 11. Claim: The only damage to the outer wall of the Pentagon was a
> single hole, no more than 16 feet in diameter.
>
> Truth: The hole was approximately 90 feet wide. The 16 foot
> measurement was only achieved by looking at pictures where the rest of
> the hole was obscured by smoke and foam from the firefighters.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/men-always-lie-about-size.html>
> ---------------
> 12. Claim: No wreckage was found on the Pentagon lawn.
>
> Truth: There are numerous pictures of plane wreckage, including those
> with the American Airlines paint scheme.
> Source: <http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html>
> ---------------
> 13. Claim: A 16 foot hole was punched in the C ring of the Pentagon by
> the airplane’s soft carbon fiber nose.
>
> Truth: It was a 12 foot hole, and it was made by the much more
> resilient nose landing gear.
> Source:
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20060831031120/http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&amp;c=y>
> ---------------
> 14. Claim: A cruise missile hit the Pentagon
>
> Truth: Over a hundred documented witnesses, and many more unrecorded,
> saw in broad daylight a large commercial jetliner crash into the
> Pentagon. Many even specifically identified the airline. To this day,
> not a single person has come forward claiming to have seen a cruise
> missile.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/better-pentagon-image.html>
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/which-one-of-these-is-not-like-other.html>
> ---------------
> 15. Claim: A white marking on the lawn the week before indicated the
> path of the crash.
>
> Truth: This section of the Pentagon was being renovated and cables
> were being laid. And why would a cruise missile need directions
> anyway?
> Source: <http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0203feat.html>
> ---------------
> 16. Claim: A number of military personnel at the Pentagon specifically
> mentioned smelling cordite.
>
> Truth: The person (not a number of military personnel) in question was
> a lawyer not a munitions expert, and cordite is used in ammunition,
> not explosives.
> Source: <http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html>
> ---------------
> 17. Claim: WTC 7, a 47 story office building 300 feet away from the
> North Tower, suddenly collapsed for no reason.
>
> Truth: There was nothing sudden about it. The building was hit by
> falling debris from one of the towers, was missing much of one corner,
> had a huge hole in the middle and was on fire for hours. The building
> had started leaning and making creaking noises so fire department
> officials ordered the evacuation of the area over an hour earlier.
> Source: <http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html>
> Source: <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtc-7.html>
> ---------------
> 18. Claim: On July 28th, 1945, a B-52 bomber lost in the fog crashed
> into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building, 14 people dead, 1
> million dollars in damage. But, the building stands intact to this
> day.
>
> Truth: It was a B-25 bomber (the B-52 was not produced until 9 years
> later), a propeller driven plane about 1/10th the size of a 767, and
> was traveling about 1/4th the speed. The fire only covered part of one
> floor, and was extinguished in less than an hour.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/maybe-they-will-fix-it-in-version-30.html>
> ---------------
> 19. Claim: On February 23rd, 1991, a 38 story skyscraper in
> Philadelphia burned for more than 19 hours and spread over 8 floors.
> It did not collapse.
>
> Truth: The firefighters fought the fire for 11 hours before they
> evacuated the building fearing a collapse. The building, which was
> never hit by an aircraft, was structurally unsound and later had to be
> demolished.
> Source: <http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-049.pdf>
> ---------------
> 20. Claim: The south tower collapsed in just 9.2 seconds.
>
> Truth: It is difficult to time because of all the smoke and debris,
> but it took significantly longer.
> Source: <http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html>
> ===========================================================
>
>
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/top-lies-and-deceptions-in-loose.html>
> ===========================================================
> 21. Claim: 200,000 tons of steel shattered into sections no longer
> than a couple feet long.
>
> Truth: Sections of the World Trade Center, often hundreds of feet long
> survived.
> Source:
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20071215225510/http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/gallery_firemen_debris_world_trade_center.html>
> ---------------
> 22. Claim: Kevin Ryan from Underwriters Laboratories, the company that
> certified the steel that was used in the World Trade Center, stated
> the steel should not have melted at the temperatures they were exposed
> to.
>
> Truth: Kevin Ryan worked in the water testing department, nobody
> claimed the steel melted, and UL did not certify it in the first place
> (OK, that is technically 3 lies).
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/loose-screw-3-kevin-ryan-of.html>
> ---------------
> 23. Claim: Numerous firefighters and other witnesses heard explosions
> in the world trade center indicating the use of demolitions.
>
> Truth: A jet liner with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel crashed into each
> of the towers at 500 mph. It would be suspicious if they didn’t hear
> subsequent explosions.
> Source: <http://www.911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html>
>
> NOTE: Some of those "explosions" were the viscoelastic dampers melting
> in the fire. They held the floor spars and truss frame together. The
> floor spars provided horizontal support to the truss frame, the truss
> frame provided vertical support to the floor spars. The interface
> between these two structural components was pre-loaded to offset the
> effect of the building's weight causing the truss frame to bow. When
> the viscoelastic dampers went, they released a lot of potential
> energy. Some of the "explosions" heard were the elevators dropping
> into the basement. Their cables had been cut and weakened by the crash
> and ensuing fire. Still more of the explosions were the jet fuel
> dumped down the elevator shafts, which ignited when the broken
> elevator car electrical cables sparked and ignited the jet fuel fumes.
> ---------------
> 24. Claim: Ben Fountain, a financial analyst who worked in the World
> Trade Center, told People Magazine that in the weeks before 9-11,
> there were a number of unannounced and unusual drills where sections
> of both the Twin Towers and building 7 were evacuated for 'security
> reasons'.
>
> Truth: Mr. Fountain only stated that his tower was evacuated. He
> didn’t say it in the context that the film presents, that this somehow
> gave them the opportunity to plant explosives, but to say that there
> were previous threats against the towers. Other sources used by the
> conspiracy movement contradict this.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/ben-lying-again.html>
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/ben-fountain-meet-scott-forbes.html>
> ---------------
> 25. Claim: Bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the World Trade Center
> only days before the attack.
>
> Truth: Security was actually increased for a couple of weeks; this
> “removal” was just security returning to normal.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/ben-lying-again.html>
> ---------------
> 26. Claim: Seismic records prove that explosives were used in the
> World Trade Center
>
> Truth: The Columbia University seismic center specifically states that
> their records do not support such a conclusion.
> Source:
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20060209110757/http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&amp;c=y>
> ---------------
> 27. Mayor Giuliani shipped off the remains of the World Trade Center
> before anyone could look at it.
>
> Truth: FEMA, the FBI, the NTSB and the NIST all conducted in depth
> investigations, including removal and testing of debris. An extensive
> report is available at http://www.nist.gov/
>
> <https://archive.org/details/NIST_WTC_Repository>
> ---------------
> 28. Claim: Not even FEMA was allowed into Ground Zero.
>
> Truth: False, they were involved in the investigation and even
> produced the first report.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/coverup-that-wasnt.html>
> ---------------
> 29. Claim: At the United 93 crash site “there was nothing. Nothing
> that you can distinguish that a plane had crashed there. “
>
> Truth: Extensive debris including engines, personal effects, body
> parts and the black boxes were found at the crash site. Pictures of
> many of these items were introduced into evidence as the Zacarias
> Moussaoui trial.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/moussaoui-trial-exhibits.html>
> ---------------
> 30. Claim: Wally Miller, a Somerset County coroner stated that there
> were no bodies found at the crash site of United 93.
>
> Truth: There were no “whole” bodies, but over 1500 body parts were
> found, and most of the passengers were identified through the use of
> DNA. Mr. Miller later reported his findings on this.
> Source:
> <http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/loose-screw-2-coroner.html>
> ===========================================================
>
> You kooks also might want to look into the following:
> 1) The pressurized diesel tank in WTC7's basement that fed an
> emergency generator on the 5th floor... the line broke and spewed
> diesel that fed the fire for hours.
>
> 2) The planes that hit the WTC towers were primarily constructed of
> 2219-T81 aluminum... with a melting point of 950 F. Water in contact
> with a catalyst can dissociate at much lower temperatures than the
> ~3000 F necessary for catalyst-free dissociation. Molten aluminum is
> such a catalyst. The prodigious quantities of plastic (petroleum
> derived) in the towers thermally cracked, off-gassing combustibles
> such as benzene, ethylene and naphtha, some of which burns as hot as
> 3000 F. The molten aluminum ran down through the building, evaporating
> the water from the sprinklers and turning it into steam. The steam
> rose back up through the building (still in contact with those
> rivulets of molten aircraft frame aluminum) and came into contact with
> the fires from the plastics off-gassing and thus burning as hot as
> 3000 F. The steam dissociated into oxygen and hydrogen (oxyhydrogen).
> Oxyhydrogen can burn at upwards of 5070 F. It burns so hot it can melt
> quartz (which melts at up to 3115 F):
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7j6mm9_TnA>
>
> 3) The planes (a Boeing 767-200 and Boeing 767-200ER) have a
> factory-specified MTOW of 197.5 tons. After the fuel burned off, that
> still leaves ~163.5 tons per plane. The floors, as I proved, were
> already close to (if not slightly over) their 100 pound per square
> foot load limit due to all the modernities in modern offices... just
> what do you think adding an additional 163.5 *tons* of weight would do
> to those floor spars, especially given that the floor spars were in an
> inferno *and* had lost their viscoelastic dampers (and thus their
> vertical means of perimeter support) in the area of the fire?
>
> 4) The lie that the WTC towers were the first in history to fall due
> to fires is just that... a lie:
>
> Message-ID: <a07468688db77a10dbf968ff5620e4c2@dizum.com>
> ====================================================
> There is a long list of buildings that have had the spray-on
> insulation and suffered fire damage resulting in partial or complete
> collapse. The McCormick Center, the Sight and Sound Theater, the Kader
> Toy Factory in Singapore, the Dogwood Elementary School in Virginia,
> the Windsor Tower in Madrid, the Wisma Kosgoro in Jakarta, the Alexis
> Nihon Plaza Montreal, One New York Plaza (connection bolts sheared
> during fire, causing several steel filler beams on the 33-34th floors
> to fall and rest on the bottom flanges of their supporting girders),
> and several other examples.
>
> And the complete list. 22 multi-story buildings from 1970 to 2002 have
> collapsed solely from fire damage weakening their structural
> integrity... 6 of them being steel-framed buildings, all of those 6
> being taller than 20 stories:
> <http://www.jensenhughes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/White_Paper_Historical_Survey_Building_Collapse_NIST_JBeitel-NIwankiw_OCT-2006.pdf>
> ====================================================
>
> That you kooks cannot grasp the enormity of the forces involved leads
> you to make false assumptions... and once emotionally invested in
> your decision to remain uneducated, you continue to compound and
> expand your stupidity and insanity, eventually culminating in the
> hilariously wrong types of conclusions that kooks such as Michael
> Scott Guthrie (aka Rocky) arrive at. This is the process that leads
> you into insanity.
>
> Morons.
>
> <snicker>
>

that was also the truth 15 years ago, idiot.  what is your mental  
malfunction that makes you think that anybody who is stupid enough to  
latch on to any random conspiracy theory is going to suddenly grow an  
extra brain cell and listen to you?  you're dumber than emmett, burnore,  
and gerg thrown into an industrial size waring blender.

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