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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn |
| Date | 2017-07-31 11:40 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
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Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 6:55:21 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> So, uh, what phase is water in at temperatures between 0 and 100 C at 1 ATM? >> >> A mixture of liquid and gas, Jim. That is what vapor pressure means. > > As a physicist Gutless liar. > I have to inform you that you are mistaken. Vapor pressure refers to the > pressure of a mixture of air and suspended microdroplets of LIQUID H2O. > There is no (zero, nada, nill) gaseous H2O in vapor. All of the H2O in > vapor is aerosol (suspended microdroplets)--not gas. > > I agree that in normal parlance it is customary to conflate the concepts > of vapor and gas. But that is because normal parlance is based on > fundamental assumptions that we assume from childhood and from other > non-scientific cultural sources. > > In other words, the notion that gas and vapor are universally > interchangeable and unambiguously definitive is an urban legend. It is > not science. And, frankly, it is not reality. > > I agree that many scientific disciplines (meteorology for example) fail > or even stubbornly refuse to make a distinction between H2O vapor and H2O > gas. The reasons for this are historical and political, not empirical. > >> ANY substance, water no exception, is a mix of liquid and gas between >> melting point and boiling point. > > This is not even remotely possible. You might as well be telling us the > sun circles the earth. Well, there you go. Ineducable, gutless liar. > >> I have no idea why you don't know this. > > I know exactly why you believe H2O vapor (aerosol) is gas. As I > described, the reasons are cultural, not empirical. > > At one time I believed as you do. Everybody originally believes as you do. > > At one time everybody believed the sun circled the earth. Even now we > hear people talk about the sun rising. Five hundred years ago to > scientists explained that it was the earth that circled the sun. Then what happened? > > Then what happened was nothing--for hundreds of years. Think about that. > For hundreds of years we had conclusive evidence that the earth circled > the sun AND EVERYBODY IGNORED IT. > > > > > > > >> >>> >>>> "What is steam table in thermodynamics? >>>> In addition to pressure and temperature, these tables usually include >>>> other related values such as specific enthalpy (h) and specific volume >>>> (v). The data found in a saturated steam table always refers to steam at >>>> a particular saturation point, also known as the boiling point." >>> >>> So, uh, what phase is water in at temperatures between 0 and 100 C at 1 ATM? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Let's repeat a particular sentence, Jim... >>>> >>>> "The data found in a saturated steam table always refers to steam at a >>>> particular saturation point, also known as the boiling point." >>> >>> So, uh, what phase is water in at temperatures between 0 and 100 C at 1 ATM? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> STEAM, Jim, STEAM... not other forms of gaseous water vapor, like >>>> evaporate or sublimate, but boiling water only, STEAM!. >>>> >>>> What is so hard to understand about this? >>> >>> So, uh, what phase is water in at temperatures between 0 and 100 C at 1 ATM? >>> >>> Anybody want to bet that none of these trolls will respond to this question? >>> >>> Jame McGinn / Solving Tornadoes >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-27 17:26 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 15:31 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 16:57 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 17:35 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 18:20 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 18:32 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 01:55 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 19:37 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 02:56 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 10:07 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:24 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 20:21 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:44 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 20:37 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 11:40 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:19 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 10:23 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 15:17 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 12:53 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 20:04 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 20:08 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:42 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 20:01 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 12:47 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 14:23 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-02 12:53 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:00 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 11:45 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 18:48 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 17:17 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 01:22 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Mushnik <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-03 20:30 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:48 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 15:15 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 11:03 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 11:19 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 11:42 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 11:52 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 12:09 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-02 13:53 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 12:01 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 12:13 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-02 14:45 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 15:19 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 15:37 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:27 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 09:07 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 09:48 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 09:56 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 14:14 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Mushnik <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-03 12:33 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 12:12 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-03 12:25 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 19:02 +0000
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 14:10 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 17:21 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 18:27 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 13:39 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 15:29 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 19:48 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 05:39 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 08:50 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:23 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 08:52 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 20:06 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-27 20:11 -0500
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 22:46 -0700
Re: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own,Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments as demonstrated by James McGinn Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:46 -0700
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