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Re: The universe is likely to be made up only of protons and electrons

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: The universe is likely to be made up only of protons and electrons
Date 2017-07-25 17:45 +0000
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:

>On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 1:19:26 AM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> >Surely, they must have thought the universe was made up on protons and 
>> >electrons before the neutron was "found".
>> 
>> >Now, if a neutron is considered to be a union of a proton and an electron,
>> 
>> We know that it is not.

>Really.

Yes, really.

>> For example, explain how, in the sodium-22 isotope, a proton decays into a
>> neutron, a positron and a neutrino.

>I don't have any faith in such experiments.

That is not an experiment.  Go down to the nearest large hospital and ask to
see their PET scanner. It works because of the fact that certain isotopes
such as Na-22 have a proton decaying into a neutron, a positron and a neutrino.
The annihilation gammas from the positron pinpoint where in the body that
particular atom is (was).  With a lot of pinpointed location an image can be
created.

>Anyway that does not show that a neutron is composed of a proton and an electron.

Because it isn't.

>For a proton cannot decay into a neutron if a neutron consists of a proton and
>and electron.

It does, sometimes, therefore, it doesn't.

>As I remember the mass of a neutron is the sum of the mass of a proton and an
>electron.

No, first the neutron is heavier than that.

Second, those are the masses of _free_ protons/neutrons.  Bind them in a nucleus
and the total mass is less.  For Na-22, it happens that the Ne-22 nucleus has a
lower mass, and the Na-22 can become Ne-22 if one of its protons emits a
positron+neutrino, thus lowering the total mass.

If you assume the masses allocated to the other 21 nucleons don't change and
assign the mass change to the proton that becomes a neutron, the proton loses
mass by becoming a neutron.  Remember, these are bound particles, the free
particle masses don't apply.

>Corrupt people should not expect to be believed.

>See, I don't trust the modern physicists in the least. They are liars, crooks,
>frauds, and they are ruling the roost everywhere. 

>As soon as I put up any new idea these thugs will claim it in due course and 
>always ignore me.

OK, where is that kookpoint scorecard?  I know imagining conspiracy theories
by all the evil scientists preserving the status quo is worth lots of kookpoints.

>So first of all I want to be assured that no one before myself has even thought
>of the protons staying together in the nucleus without the strong nuclear force.

Many, many have.  Archie Plutonium is promoting such nonsense right now.

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                Re: The universe is likely to be made up only of protons and electrons HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 15:01 -0700
              Re: The universe is likely to be made up only of protons and electrons benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-27 17:47 -0400
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                Re: The universe is likely to be made up only of protons and electrons HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 04:17 -0700
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