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Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics: Obviously False

From Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics: Obviously False
Date 2016-09-22 17:48 +0200
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On 09/22/2016 05:04 PM, Poutnik wrote:
> On 09/22/2016 04:14 PM, Tim BandTech.com wrote:
>>
>> OK Poutnik, I'll try if you'll try.
>>
>> Let's consider the speed of sound propagation versus the speed of heat
>> propagation. They are beyond orders of magnitude different.
>
> Let me stop you here and turn the table.
>
> Consider speed of sound in air
>
>            v = sqrt ( gamma . R .T / M )
>
> where gamma is adiabatic constant,
> equal cca 1.4 for diatomic gases
>
> and compare it to the mean quadratic speed of gas molecules.
>
>            v = sqrt ( 3 . R .T / M )
>
> speed of sound is always, including condensed phases,
> slower than the mean thermal speed of molecules.
>
Oops. this is of course false, my instant mistake.
It is valid only for unbound molecules.

Bound molecules/atoms have faster means
of pressure propagation via electromagnetic forces.

But that is valid for the thermal motion as well.

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