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Re: The Gravitational Wave Hoax and Einstein's Spacetime

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On 6/22/2016 4:37 PM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd wrote...
>>>> Quite the opposite. I would love to get an answer to my question.
>>>> I wouldnt have asked it if I felt I didnt want to hear the answer.
>
>> Then why haven't you asked the people who can answer?
>
> Ah! So you admit you dont know. Why are you so sure there arent
> any individual chirps in one detector only, when you just admitted
> you dont know if there are or not?

I didn't say there aren't. I said I can't see any and asked you to point 
out what you think you see in the papers' graphs, which you haven't done.

What I did suggest is that you contact LIGO physicists and ask them how 
they treat chirps that appear in one detector only.

>
>>> You see, I can already tell from the freely available jpeg graph data
> on the LIGO website that there are detections that are similar to
> the ringdown in >profile, but only occur in one detector.
>
>> Really? How so? Can you point to what you're seeing in the data?
>
> If you overlay both jpegs you can see many.

I'm sorry, but can you point to an image file where you can point this 
out? A wiggle is not a ringdown. I'm just trying to understand what you 
think is a "similar ringdown" in one detector.

> They arent as  strong as
> 150914 or 151226 which is why it would be nice to have more data
> as jpegs but LIGO inconveniently dont supply data in this format.

You haven't asked for it. Why do you have a problem asking for it?

> And
> the other formats dont download for me unless someone can
> give me a research grant like the rest of the papers authors had.

What? You don't have $30?

> Then I can get the appropriate hardware, software and research flunkeys
> to do the job.

You need different hardware to download a PDF?

> But if you look at 150914 at 0.27 or 0.38 approx. Youll see chirps that are
> weaker as Ive already mentioned but clearly only  in Hanford and not Livingston.

Those don't look like ringdowns to me.

> And in 151226 you ll see at approx 0.62 a weaker chirp in Livingston
> that is clearly not in Hanford. And a slightly stronger one at the very
> right hand of Livingston thats not in Hanford. ( These are the dark blue
> frequency Hz Normalized plots at the bottom of the page).
> Now of course youll try to argue this isnt sufficient evidence. Maybe not,
> but its evidence nonetheless.

Evidence of WHAT?

There's lots of background noise in these detectors. Part of the art is 
separating signal from background. What you seem to be doing is noticing 
some wiggles that represent noise and saying, see, there's noise! Yes, 
but notice that signals appear in BOTH detectors.

> Right frequencies, right profiles. And
> when LIGO supplies jpegs of the data, Ill show you stronger ones.
> Untill then you cant rule it out. Especially considering you just admitted
> you dont anything about LIGO data or whether or not there are
> stronger chirps in the rest of the data.
>

So ASK. Don't assume they're there until proven otherwise.


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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