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Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole

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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>WTF do you mean, "gone"!
>Of course it is gone and you saw it going-
>blasting away as jets.

Nope, GONE as in part of the black hole now, unobservable except for its 
gravity.  SOME escapes as the matter of the jets before it gets sucked in.  
Some does not.

>You have NO EVIDENCE that the BH
>kept ANY of it.

Yes we do, the gravity of the black hole. The gravity is caused by 
its mass-energy, all the mass-energy it swallowed over time.

>Only your stubborn fantasy that
>BHs must be MADE FROM the matter
>that they attract.

Nope, it is the logical conclusion of the thought process.

1) What happens if you get a whole lot of mass all in one place. It holds 
itself together gravitationally and you get a planet or asteroid or 
something.

2) What happens if you add a whole lot more matter?  The temperature and
pressure in the center become so enormous and you get fusion, and therefore
a star.

3) What happens if you add even more (and allow the fusion to burn itself 
out)?  The electron degeneracy pressure gets exceeded and instead of 
ordinary matter, we get white dwarf matter.

4) Add even more matter? The gravitational force is so strong that nuclear
degeneracy pressure is exceeded, electrons recombine with protons and we 
have neutron star matter,

5) And add even more matter so that the escape velocity exceeds c?  Nothing 
can escape, not even light, we call this a black hole.

So tell us, what happens if you add even more matter to the result of 5).
Hint: Nothing can escape.


>And the fact that they possess gravity-
>which you are STILL trying to model,
>and failing.

GR models gravity fine.  What hasn't been done is a grand unified theory of
all forces, essentially combining GR and QM/QED into a single unified
theory.  Someday, someone will do this. (The "someone" will probably be a
large team of scientists rather than a single "neo-Einstein".)

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  Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-13 16:38 +0000
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          Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-13 20:02 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-14 12:26 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-14 16:48 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 12:56 -0700
                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-15 00:39 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-15 20:29 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-16 01:54 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-16 12:59 +0000
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                Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-16 01:40 +0000
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