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Re: Hey Odd!

From Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Hey Odd!
Date 2016-01-31 05:47 +0000
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:52:15 -0500, benj wrote:

> 
> Gosh, oddly ancient books are on acid-free paper until everyone got so 
> cheap.
> 

Ancient books contain acid-free paper?

I don't know much about the history of paper making.  I'll have to find
more about this.

Whenever I peruse the old collection at the university library near
my home I find most books have brittle pages.


> 
> I do currently have a problem I'm struggling with. It's an adventure 
> game "Zork" game that a bunch of us wrote  back in the 70s. 
> Unfortunately all I have now is a line printer printout of the source 
> code (written in JCL) You KNOW what trash line printer paper is! Been 
> trying to scan and recognize the printout but even with modern software 
> and careful tweaking of contrast, gamma, etc, the best I've been able to 
> do so far is get about 50% of it correct.
>

You may need to threshold the scanned images so the result is bi-tonal
or black/white.

You may also need to try a trainable OCR, where the software "learns"
the particular typeface that is used.

The open source (free) Tesseract OCR is trainable:

 https://github.com/tesseract-ocr


>
> Oddly the one thing that 
> doesn't convert is .jpg files of pages. You can look at them with an 
> eyeball and read them just fine. But the scanning software gives you 
> nothing but errors. However scanning with .tiff files and it's happy as 
> a clam.
>

JPEG compression is based on the discrete cosine transform which is
essentially a fourier transform.  Any sharp edges, such as the boundaries
of text typeface, will experience severe ringing distortion.  This is
why JPEG should NEVER be used to compress text or similar patterns.

TIFF, if it is compressed at all, is usually compressed with a different
kind of algorithm and can be used on any type of image.


> 
> Something effective is clearly waiting to be invented. 
>

Of course.  It's only a matter of time.

The digital revolution is never going to stop.  Sooner or later
printed material, like the old "wet" photographic technology,
will be supplanted.

Regarding photography, I still recall how it was about ten years
ago when many people were still defending film cameras and film
technology.  They would decry the new digital cameras and sensors
as being inferior and desperately cling to the old methods.

But now there is a barely a whimper from that crowd.  They have
lost the battle and have been converted to the new digital ways.

The same will happen with the dead-tree book adherents.

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Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:31 -0500
  Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 16:35 -0600
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      Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:12 -0600
      Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:16 -0600
        Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 16:14 -0800
          Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 20:05 -0500
          Re: Hey Odd! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-01-29 12:34 -0800
            Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:36 -0800
        Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 19:55 -0500
          Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 07:45 -0600
            Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 12:29 -0500
            Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 17:47 +0000
              Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 12:19 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 18:43 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-29 19:17 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 21:59 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:37 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-29 22:40 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 23:38 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:19 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:27 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:11 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:44 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 02:33 -0500
                Re: Hey Odd! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 22:53 -0800
              Re: Hey Odd! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-29 12:25 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 18:38 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:23 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:20 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:52 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 23:54 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:29 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 20:43 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 00:07 -0500
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 05:17 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 01:39 -0500
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:25 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:29 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 20:51 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 00:16 -0500
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 05:58 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:29 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:33 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 20:20 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 14:48 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 21:37 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:00 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:02 -0600
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                Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:22 -0500
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:26 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:59 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 23:45 +0000
                Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:19 -0600
                Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 14:55 -0800
                Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:55 -0800
              Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:47 -0500
                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:36 +0000
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                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 18:49 +0000
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                Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 05:47 +0000
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