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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. |
| Date | 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <mrmlpp$6pf$2@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 2015-08-27 04:48 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:31:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrkph0$982$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-26 03:45 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:45:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mriuj0$iak$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-25 08:32 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>>>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>>>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>>>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>>>>> tall building. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>>>>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>>>>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>>>>> world is real. >>>>> >>>>> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >>>>> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >>>>> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >>>>> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >>>>> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >>>>> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >>>>> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >>>>> >>>>> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >>>>> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >>>>> go. >>>> >>>> So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >>>> want you to believe. >>> >>> Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of >>> the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon >>> any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. >> >> As I said, you have confidence in what your physical senses tell you. > > It works for me. It's all because you actually believe it. > >> >>> >>>> You have no other means to verify such belief. As >>>> long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, >>>> you would still believe it's the truth. >>> >>> You are entering into the arena of useless speculation.- >> >> Just want to show why physical science is also based on belief. > > Nope. Trial and error applied logically. > > Belief is entirely irrelevant. Once again, you forgot every trial and error all started with the assumption that the universe is real. When it's an assumption you can't really verify, then it is a belief.
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:27 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 01:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 22:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 01:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 11:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 12:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 12:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 21:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 22:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 14:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 00:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 00:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 22:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:26 -0400
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