Re: Viewing the spokes

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Viewing the spokes
Date	2016-09-14 05:11 +0000
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benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 8:14 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:29:36 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>> On 9/9/2016 10:43 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 2:51:31 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 9/9/2016 12:08 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 10:08:25 AM UTC-7, Sergio
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Viewing the spokes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A wheel with spokes rolls on the ground. A stationary
>>>>>>> camera takes a picture of the wheel. Due to the nonzero
>>>>>>> exposure time of the camera, the spokes will generally
>>>>>>> appear blurred. At what location(s) in the picture does
>>>>>>> (do) the spoke(s) not appear blurred?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> answer,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The contact point on the ground does not look blurred,
>>>>>>> because it is instantaneously at rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no "instantaneous". The wheel *moves* while the
>>>>>> shutter is open, hence the contact patch will move, hence the
>>>>>> lowermost spokes will be blurred.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, if you want to talk about which spokes will be *least*
>>>>>> blurred...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, Mark, only the point of the wheel touching the ground
>>>>> which would be the rim is at rest.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, no, because the shutter can't open *and close*
>>>> "instantaneously".
>>>>
>>>> The contact patch *moves* while the shutter is open.
>>>>
>>> No it does not.
>>
>> Yes, it does.  "Contact patch" is that part of the wheel that's in
>> contact with the ground. When the wheel isn't moving, neither is the
>> contact patch. When the wheel *is* moving, so is the contact patch.
>> It has to or the wheel isn't rolling. That's what "moves" means when
>> applied to rolling wheels.
>>
>>> The points on the ground actually rise from the ground
>>
>> And while they're actually rising, they're actually blurring because
>> while they're actually moving the shutter is actually open.
>>
>>> before moving on so all the contact points are stationary.
>>
>> There *is no stationary* while the wheel is moving. Each subsequent
>> point on the rim that comes in contact with the ground *while the
>> wheel is moving* must *also* be moving.
> 
> Ahem. So lesse if I got your "logic" here. The ground is stationary. We 
> agree with that, right? And the rim of the wheel has points that contact 
> the ground. But no points on the wheel are stationary? So you are 
> arguing that the wheel is sliding?

No points on the wheel are stationary if the wheel is rolling.

>>> And that means they are in focus while the shutter is open.
>>
>> Briefly, then they're not. While the shutter is still open. That's
>> why they blur.
>>
>>> So what you have is a LINE of stationary in focus contact points.
>>> No?
>>
>> No.
> 
> So the rim of the wheel is NOT in contact with the ground. Right? Or is 
> sliding.

Obviously the wheel is rolling which means for any real time span
the part of the wheel that is in contact with the ground is continuously
changeing.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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Viewing the spokes Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-29 12:08 -0500
  Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-29 18:00 +0000
    Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-29 21:00 -0400
      Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-30 01:14 +0000
        Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-29 22:45 -0400
          Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-30 04:14 +0000
            Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-29 21:59 -0700
              Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-30 05:16 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-29 23:00 -0700
    Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 18:29 -0700
  Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-29 18:29 -0700
  Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-29 18:46 -0700
    Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-30 19:40 -0400
      Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-30 22:07 -0700
        Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-30 23:48 -0700
          Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-31 09:54 -0700
            Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-02 10:00 -0700
              Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 13:23 -0700
              Re: Viewing the spokes The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-03 11:30 -0700
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                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-03 16:01 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-04 12:46 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green Ergios <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-07 12:32 -0500
                Re: Red, Blue and Green noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 12:12 -0700
                Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-07 23:22 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-03 16:03 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-03 16:06 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 00:18 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 12:52 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-07 10:01 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:12 -0700
                Re: Red, Blue and Green The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 09:47 -0700
        Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 14:32 -0700
  Re: Viewing the spokes "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:39 -0700
    Re: Viewing the spokes "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-04 20:36 -0700
  Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:08 -0700
    Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 12:32 -0700
    Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:51 -0400
      Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-10 00:10 +0000
        Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:43 -0400
          Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-10 00:57 +0000
            Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 21:07 -0400
              Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-10 01:33 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 20:59 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 02:41 +0000
      Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 19:43 -0700
        Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 21:29 -0400
          Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 02:43 +0000
          Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:28 -0700
          Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 17:14 -0700
            Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 21:52 -0400
              Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:11 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:49 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 00:50 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:52 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:11 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 16:58 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:40 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:56 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:47 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:24 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:07 +0000
              Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:26 -0700
                Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 15:04 -0700
                Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 12:54 -0700
              Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 19:47 -0700
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:24 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-15 05:12 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 15:45 -0700
                Re: Viewing the spokes benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:36 -0400
                Re: Viewing the spokes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 02:58 +0000
                Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 12:15 -0700
    Re: Viewing the spokes Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-09-15 09:15 -0400
      Re: Viewing the spokes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 15:48 -0700
        Re: Viewing the spokes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 15:33 -0700

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