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Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics
Date 2017-02-26 02:58 +0000
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In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 2/25/2017 8:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/25/2017 5:21 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/25/2017 2:34 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/24/2017 2:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics benj <nobody@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 02/23/2017 06:27 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote a bunch of blather as usual:
>>>>>>>>> I've heard repeatedly from some of the more ignorant posters on this
>>>>>>>>> group that mathematics is not central for physics. Usually they say
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> to have an excuse for avoiding something they find difficult.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mathematics has several functions for a physicist:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Snip blather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Mathematics is PURE fantasy. It has NO basis in reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Any connection between mathematics and reality is simply assumed
>>>>>>>> dogma. Mathematics is not more real than reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. theories may be written in the language of mathematics but theories
>>>>>>>> are NEVER correct. Science is NEVER "settled" (No matter what the
>>>>>>>> "climate change" fraudsters may tell you)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Using mathematics in science to deduce new theories is CERTAIN to
>>>>>>>> fail because it has been mathematically proved that there are things
>>>>>>>> that are true in mathematics that mathematics CANNOT prove to be true!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Even a computer is limited in complexity level of mathematics it can
>>>>>>>> calculate leaving vast areas of "truth" untouched.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6. The analogy between mathematics and reality can be useful but it is
>>>>>>>> by no means certain. EACH analogy must be tested to see if it is true.
>>>>>>>> There is NO guarantee it will be and in fact often it is NOT!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7. And lastly, education experts have determined that nobody ever uses
>>>>>>>> mathematics once they get out of school which is why it is being removed
>>>>>>>> from the curriculum just like cursive writing which texting has rendered
>>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does benj really believe this inane crap or is he just posting it to
>>>>>>> get his troll fix?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, it's just Ben stirring the pot. He's past the point of saying
>>>>>> anything useful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it funny that when people are ignorant and prejudiced about things
>>>>> they always thing that people telling them the truth about them are insane?
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it funny that when trolls are recognized as such the ad hominems gush?
>>>>
>>> Isn't it funny when stalkers follow you all over the net because they
>>> are so obsessed with you. Chimp's obsession with my greatness is
>>> understandable and excused, though.
>>
>> Isn't it funny trolls have a hyper-inflated view of their worth?
> 
> Funny? Is HVAC funny? Yeah, I guess he is. Are you funny? No. I think 
> mostly you shout at kids to get off your lawn.

Get your troll fix yet?

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 17:27 -0600
  secnds are not dimensional per se noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 17:53 -0800
  Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-23 21:35 -0600
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-24 06:20 -0500
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 06:22 -0600
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 06:20 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 09:46 -0600
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 22:06 -0800
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics sErgio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-02-25 10:16 -0600
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 01:28 -0800
              (-. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 12:17 -0800
  Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 20:09 -0800
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 12:51 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 18:32 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 13:35 -0600
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 18:49 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:45 -0800
  Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-23 22:25 -0800
  Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-24 05:28 -0500
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 02:50 -0800
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 06:06 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 08:07 -0800
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 09:02 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 12:54 -0600
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 13:14 -0800
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 17:01 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 17:51 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 02:42 -0500
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 19:37 -0600
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 18:14 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 02:32 -0500
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 16:53 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:40 -0500
    Columbus did not sleep in this item (circa '492 .-) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 11:07 -0800
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-24 20:00 +0000
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 12:18 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 13:32 -0800
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 13:51 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:15 -0500
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-25 11:22 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-25 11:16 -0800
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:42 -0800
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 05:48 -0800
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:51 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 05:21 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 06:26 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 11:43 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-28 19:43 -0500
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-27 06:21 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:23 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-27 17:23 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:22 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "Buck Futter" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 18:07 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 05:49 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Ser Gio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 -0600
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 11:57 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-28 12:14 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 13:20 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-28 17:21 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 08:12 -0600
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 07:08 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 19:32 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 09:49 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 16:13 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 14:03 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:52 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 19:16 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 22:55 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-01 23:28 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 09:05 -0600
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 09:38 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 09:59 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 03:28 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 04:42 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 07:28 -0600
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 07:12 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 11:22 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 22:11 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-03 22:16 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 09:33 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:48 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 13:15 -0800
                mathematica is at least four subjecta noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 15:36 -0800
                Re: mathematica is at least four subjecta poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 22:41 -0800
                Re: mathematica is at least four subjecta Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 05:00 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 17:00 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Edison Biermann <um@mesidse.cs> - 2017-03-06 02:19 +0000
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 22:41 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 01:08 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 04:01 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 05:36 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-06 18:28 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 16:40 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-06 20:21 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 22:36 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "Efftard K. Donglemeier" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 07:05 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 07:14 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "Efftard K. Donglemeier" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 07:19 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-03 09:22 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 10:24 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 22:08 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-03 22:12 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 13:56 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 14:28 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 18:14 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 13:45 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 15:07 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 17:01 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 17:56 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:42 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 19:11 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn four subjects that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 17:44 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 20:11 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-01 09:29 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-01 09:38 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-01 18:05 -0800
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 18:43 -0800
        Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:02 -0500
          Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:08 -0800
            Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:39 -0500
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:19 -0500
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 01:42 -0800
          r = pi noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 04:37 -0800
            PI = 1/pi = 0.32 (at least in base_4) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:40 -0800
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-25 17:48 +0000
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Bret Noss <osotr@rwtropsws.org> - 2017-02-25 18:41 +0000
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-25 19:07 +0000
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Bret Noss <osotr@rwtropsws.org> - 2017-02-25 19:35 +0000
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:37 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:00 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 13:34 -0600
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-25 17:01 -0500
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-25 22:21 +0000
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-25 17:56 -0500
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 15:18 -0800
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-26 01:22 +0000
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-25 21:18 -0500
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-26 02:58 +0000
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 15:44 -0600
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:45 -0500
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 07:22 -0600
                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-27 16:53 -0500
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 12:06 -0800
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-02-24 12:40 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:22 -0500
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 13:19 -0800
  Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 10:11 -0800
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 12:04 -0800
  Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 23:02 -0800
    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-27 05:02 -0800
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-27 05:09 -0800
        mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numberthoery -- used to be arithmetic; noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:07 -0800
          mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numberthoery b) music noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 23:03 -0800
            mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numbertheory b) music c) astronomy noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:49 -0800
              mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numbertheory b) music c) astronomy d) geometry noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 12:04 -0800

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