Re: Towards the fully 3D-printed electric cars.

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups	sci.space.policy, sci.physics, rec.arts.sf.science, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Towards the fully 3D-printed electric cars.
Date	2017-07-16 18:09 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>
>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>> smart
>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>
>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>
>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>> material is so cheap.
>>
>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>>
>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>
>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>> items.
>>
>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>> "hardening" time.
> 
> We're nowhere near those limits yet.

The whooshing sound you hear is the point and all it's details going
over you head.

> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the 
> Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs 
> of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."
> 

The Strati is little more than a $30,000 golf cart and the finish is an
abomination.

>> The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
>> few people do.
> 
> Sales of 400,000 last year, projected sales of 1.2 million this one.  Also 
> appears to be non-linear.
> 
> But that it's tiny now is irrelevant.  How many people had early telephones?  Or 
> TV sets?

Do you understand the difference between hobby and professional?
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 07:04 +0100
  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:48 +0000
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 06:50 +0100
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:29 +0000
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 05:51 +0100
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:11 +0000
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:36 +0100
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