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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. |
| Date | Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:15:43 +1000 |
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On 9/08/2018 12:34 AM, benj wrote: > On 8/8/2018 3:14 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 8/08/2018 10:04 AM, benj wrote: >>> On 8/7/2018 12:24 PM, Tom Roberts wrote: >>>> On 8/7/18 3:53 AM, benj wrote: >>>>> Are you talking mathematics or physics? >>>> >>>> Both -- the mathematical structure of current physical theories and >>>> models. >>>> >>>>> Do you agree that agree with Odd that empty space containing no >>>>> charges and hence produces no forces on test charges is not devoid >>>>> of fields but actually is filled with an electric (an other types) >>>>> of fields whose value is simply zero? >>>> >>>> Yes. Because if you believe Maxwell's equations apply, or if you >>>> believe that QED applies, then you are FORCED to conclude there is a >>>> corresponding electromagnetic field everywhere, including regions in >>>> which it is zero (which really never happens). >>>> >>>> As I said before, this is INHERENT in what "field" means. >>>> >>>> Tom Roberts >>> >>> What you mean is that it is INHERENT in the definition what a vector >>> field is, mathematically. (Note you must use the term vector field >>> because otherwise the term can be confused with an algebraic field >>> which is something else entirely, right?) >>> >>> A vector field starts with a region of some mathematical space and a >>> vector quantity is assigned to each point (an infinite number of them) >>> in that subspace. Therefore, by definition the vector field exists >>> (assuming I have chosen to define one) even though all vectors at >>> every point are zero. You and Odd win, right? Of course if I choose >>> NOT to define a field in that space (reality is determined by my >>> imagination, right?) then there is no field in that subspace only a >>> coordinate system, unless I choose not to define one of those either, >>> in which case there is no subspace existing at all and I win, right? >>> >>> Wrong. Mathematics is not more real than reality. In reality and in >>> Maxwell theory in particular, the mathematics is only a model to >>> describe what seems to be force field like phenomena produced by >>> charges. People (Odd's textbooks) love to talk about "fields" as if >>> they were real physical things. They are NOT. Forces are real, models >>> are fantasy. Hence when charges are missing, there are no forces >>> present in the subspace. People use the terminology that there are no >>> "fields" there but as seen above that is mathematically wrong on >>> several counts if someone has defined a null vector field there. And >>> if a charge is suddenly placed in that subspace it is known that >>> forces from it will NOT be measured immediately at a distance from it >>> (unless we are talking ESP interactions) as the actions travel away >>> from the source at velocity c. >>> >>> >> >> Forces are as much models as fields are. Can you grab a force, and >> take one home? >> >> All we ever have are models. Reality, if it exists, is forever out of >> our reach. Even what we think we're perceiving through our senses is >> nothing but an extrapolation that the brain makes based on models. >> >> Sylvia. > > Oh so you really have no training in science and are a liberal > journalist who believes that all reality exists ONLY in your imagination > and drug-soaked fantasies. Well, welcome to the crowd. That describes > nearly all of those here pretending to discuss science. > > Forces can be MODELED but they are not models. Forces can move your > silly ass. Mathematics exists only in fantasy. While it is true we do > not have direct access to our optical and other sensor arrays and > therefore perceive the data as algorithmic output, that does not imply > that reality only exists as algorithmic fantasy. Although glasses > provide algorithmic transformation of the images coming to your eyes, > putting on your glasses does not mean that the world out there is now > total fantasy. Are you one of those "the moon does not exist until > somebody looks at it" idiots? > > Mathematics is not more real than reality. > If you're going to engage in straw man argument and abuse, I can't be bothered with you. Sylvia.
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