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Re: Why are families separated under Trump but not Obama?

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On 21/06/2018 11:25 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 10:25:07 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 21/06/2018 9:55 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:35:32 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 21/06/2018 2:46 AM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 6/19/2018 9:53 PM, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 3:07:45 PM UTC-10, benj wrote:
>>>>>>> I hear your questions! "Since the prisoner policy hasn't changed and is
>>>>>>> the same as it was under Obama, how is Trump policy causing the horror
>>>>>>> of families being separated?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's simple really. Trump has instituted a "zero Tolerance" policy
>>>>>>> whereby if they observe someone breaking the law they are required to
>>>>>>> arrest them. This means illegal aliens and drug runners get arrested and
>>>>>>> families get separated until the case is decided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under Obama unless the crime involved gun ownership or accidental fires
>>>>>>> set on Federal land, or something, Law enforcement simply sent the
>>>>>>> invaders on their way with a "good luck" and a pat on the back. Hence no
>>>>>>> arrests and no Families being separated even though the policy is the
>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's simple as that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is a slave to Wras Putin under blackmail
>>>>>> and extortion threats against the Trump family.
>>>>>> Russian sanctions against the USA are being putin
>>>>>> place by DJ Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama followed the Bush orders.
>>>>>> Trump follows Putin's.
>>>>>> He cannot disobey without his folks being severely tortured.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Woooo woooo!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you need to get your conspiracy theories straight.
>>>>
>>>> **He has.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are the power elite who run the world.
>>>>
>>>> **Yep. Just like Putin:
>>>>
>>>> http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/
>>>>
>>>> Putin is pissed because sanctions are hurting him. Sanctions were made
>>>> against Putin and his buddies, because they are trying to restore the
>>>> USSR and, in the process, enslaving and/or murdering millions of people.
>>>> That Trump supports Putin's murderous ways is obscene.
>>>
>>> The US prior to Trump enslaved and murdered millions of people.
>>
>> **Enslaved? Cite (not counting the African slave trade, of course).
> 
> Why not?

**Slavery was abolished in the US more than 150 years ago.

> They are enslaved by their own racist and bigoted narrow minds, encased in greed and snobbery, and that makes them do evil things.
> 
>>    Trump is the best Potus ever.
>>
>> **In what sense? Be precise in your answer.
> 
> He is a rich man entering Govt. as a public duty, as opposed to the other opportunists getting rich from Govt.

**Prove it. Prove that Trump will not benefit financially by becoming 
POTUS.


>    He could have enjoyed his vast wealth,

**"Vast wealth"? Putin has far more wealth than Trump. Trump is worth 
around $3 billion. Certainly not chump change, but a long way from 
Putin, Gates and the others.


  but instead works hard to make the US a better place.

**Bullshit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/?utm_term=.52ce2b6c5b62

If Trump REALLY cared about American workers, then he would have his 
products made by Americans. He doesn't, because he doesn't care. He only 
wants their support and votes and is willing to lie in order to do so.


> That way he shows the true Christian spirit, most welcome and needed today in this gross material age of slime and porn.

**ROTFLMAO!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/the-secular-life/201610/trumps-sexism-is-deeply-biblical

https://www.qt.com.au/news/opinion-no-excuse-for-trumps-sexism/3098426/

Trump is the most un-Christian leader the US has ever seen.

> 
>>    Trump has made peae instead of war with NK.
>>
>> **No, he hasn't. YOU don't know what concessions have been made by
>> Trump. YOU don't know if Kim will eliminate ALL his nukes. YOU know nothing.
> 
> What I know is that Trunp has not started war with NK, China etc.

**So? Nor has any US leader since Truman.


  to please his oil company masters, and the military-industrial 
complex, as was done by Bush2 et al.

**NO argument from me about Dubya.


   That is enough for me. The world is a much safer place with Trump and 
Putin and Xi in charge.

**Prove it.


>   
>>    That is very good.
>>
>> **Well, it MAY be good, if Kim eliminates ALL his nukes. IMO, Kim should
>> be locked up for crimes against humanity. Apparently, you don't seem to
>> care about his murderous crimes, nor the hundreds of thousands locked in
>> gulags. I do.
> 
> Just as you don't care for all the far greater evils the US has done before Trump.

**Prove it.


  Bush2 has not been locked up, has he?

**Strawman. Dubya and most of his administration SHOULD be locked up for 
war crimes.


  How dare you say what should be done to Kim?

**Kim is a mass murderer. Should mass murderers be allowed to roam free?


> 
> Whatever Kim does is not my business.

**Then why do you support Trump's dealings with him?


  Kim's actions are to be judged by his own people, for they do not 
affect other people far away.

**Yes, they do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea%27s_illicit_activities


  What the US does is my business, for the evils the US does make an 
impact upon me; affects my good health and wealth, safety and public 
morality. People who abuse and demean others, naturally lie a lot, tell 
whatever lies that suit their own narrow prejudices and interests. So, 
their sort cannot be believed about any facts.

**Then why do you support the greatest liar-in-chief, the US has ever seen:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


>   
>>    Putin is the International Hero of Our Time.
>>
>> **Well, no, he isn't. He is a murderous dictator.
> 
> He is the most popular man in USSR.

**There is no "USSR". There is Russia and Putin is very popular in Russia.


  Gorbachov has been praising him.

**So what? Putin is STILL a murderous dictator. Democracy is dead in 
Russia. Opponents of Putin are regularly imprisoned and/or murdered. Why 
do you think this is a good thing?

  Just see any youtube video about Putin, and look at the adoring 
comments about Putin.

**I don't give a flying fuck what morons think about Putin, anymore than 
I care what morons think about Trump. Morons praise Trump. Intelligent 
people don't.


  People in Russia love him. He has stood up to the ISIS, got rid of 
them in Syria.

**The Kurds have done more to rout ISIS than any other people have.


  He has improved the military strength and economy of Russia, after the 
disasters following the dissolution of the USSR.

**Why do you think that is a good thing? Are you so dulled by drugs that 
you don't remember the 'Cold War'? I do. It was a terrifying time for 
the entire planet. ISIS was a tiny blip, compared to the havoc wrought 
by the USSR under various leaders. Putin is seeking to bring it all back.


  Trump joined him in the act, unlike the earlier Potus. Good for both 
of them, that the Middle East is now somewhat more peaceful.

**You've got to be kidding. I suggest you visit, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, 
Iran, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Afghanistan Northern Africa sometime.


  From what I see of FIFA, Russia is now is splendid shape.

**Nope. FIFA does not represent Russia. The average MONTHLY income of a 
Russian is US$437.00. Think you can live comfortably on that?

http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/average-monthly-income-russia-wages-rosstat/

Most Russians are very poor.

The GDP is Russia is very close to that of my own nation, Australia.
Trouble is, Australia has a population of around 25 million people.
Russia has a population of around 145 million people.

>>
>>    He has restored order and dignity to the Russians after the disasters
>> following the fall of the USSR.
>>
>> **Well, perhaps, but at the cost of thousands of civilians' lives.
> 
> No perhaps about it. Putin has lifted millions of his countrymen from poverty and despair, from weakness and inefficiency. The rate of progress in Russia since Putin took over has been stunning.

**Well, no. That is not true. A tiny number of Russians (including 
Putin) have enjoyed a spectacular rise in their wealth. Most Russians 
have become poorer.

> 
>>    The world seems to be on the right track at last, with the exit of the
>> Bush2, Blair and Howard entities.
>>
>> **In what sense? If you think that rewarding vicious dictators and mass
>> murderers is a good thing, then you are certifiably insane.
> 
> You have no moral sense at all as you support Bush2, Blair and Howard, the great modern architects of pure evil for greed.


**Prove that claim.


  In a world run by evil people, the good are not wanted; so from the 
evil point of view the good people should be classified as insane and 
locked up.

**Why do you think it is good to reward vicious dictators and murderers?


> 
> But hope is always there, so we have instead of the nightmare rule of Bush2 et al, the great Putin, the self-sacrificing Trump (a rich man entering the murky world of politics and smashing the vile, corrupt opposition: what a knight, what a sight, what a fight!) and the brilliant engineer Xi to lead us in this century. Long may they live, vive le vive le vive le Trump! Vive le Trumpany!

**Xi has, indeed, done much for the Chinese economy. Again, at the 
expense of World stability and, in the way of other dictators, at the 
cost of human life.


> 
> 
>>> The unscrupulous murderous types in the US will naturally resent Trump and Putin.
>>
>> **Let's be real here. Putin is a murderous dictator and Trump is his
>> useful idiot.
> 
> No, reality is that you have no moral sense.

**Putin is a murderous dictator:

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/


  So you cannot understand let alone appreciate that the good guys who 
are against corruption, are back in power in the world today; so the 
world is a safer, better place. No invasions, no financial disasters - 
better manners and communications, more prosperity for all.

**Huh?
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/06/04/451570/confronting-cost-trumps-corruption-american-families/


>>
>>
>>    They need to grow up, be less vicious and closed in their thinking.
>>
>> **No. You need to appraise yourself of world events.
> 
> 
> I do that all the time. Not only that, I go from place to place with my own money, to see what's what for myself, on a purely independent basis. I will be in Russia next month.
> 

**Then, if you speak to average Russians, make certain you do so in 
secret. Russians are frightened of Putin.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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  Re: Why are families separated under Trump but not Obama? Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 18:53 -0700
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