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Am 14.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Hägar:
> "Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evbm76FbltU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:
>
>>> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
>>> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>>>
>>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>>
>>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>>> translated by a professional translator.
>>
>> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
>> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
>> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>>
>> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
>> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
>> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
>> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to
>> vet,
>> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor,
>> such
>> errors can be easily eliminated.
>
> I found this nice video about typical German errors in speaking (or
> writing) English:
>
> "5 (more) mistakes made by Germans in English - 5 häufige Fehler im
> Englischen"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkZU-_xikY
>
>
> Something along this line would allow to estimate the origin of the
> speaker and how good someone can speak a foreign language.
>
> It is mainly not the accent in a written text, but typical errors in
> grammar, that are characteristic for the origin of the author.
>
> So you are actually correct and 'accent' was the wrong word.
>
> But which wrong word I use is typical for me as a German, who writes
> English as a second language.
>
> So these errors are, what we recognize as personal style of the speaker.
> And this style we can compare with a kind of 'picture' we have about a
> voice.
>
> If these impressions match, we regard the person and the author of a
> text as identical, otherwise not.
>
>
> TH
>
>
> *** Very good, Thomas, but the video clip is representative of the
> recently divorced (from the EU) Queen's English, rather than its
> American relative, and several of the iterations do not apply here.
> But yes, there is confusion in German to English translations, as
> shown here:  Englisch für Fortgeschrittene (English for Runaways)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ErinnerstDuDichNoch/videos/1412935475487219/
>
>

There are less problems for German with the English language than for 
English speakers with German.

Many people from England have a strong accent for all their life, even 
if they live in Germany forever.

English make certain errors, because they base their German on different 
linguistic concepts of the English language.

E.g. the phrase 'German' can mean several different things:

German language
person from German
citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany
speaker of the German language
the people of Germany
all German speakers

In German these has all different words.

So if someone mixes 'Speaker of the German language' with 'Citizen of 
the FRG', we know with some degree of certainty, this person is from 
England, even if the German pronunciation is perfect.

TH

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