Re: by albert einstein

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Date	2017-08-12 18:36 -0700
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.arts.sf.written, alt.astronomy
Subject	Re: by albert einstein
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> > In article <ev97f6Fdnt1U1@mid.individual.net>, ttt_heg@web.de says...
> > >
> > > Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
> > > >
> > > > "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
> > > >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
> > > >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
> > > >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hägar wrote:
> > > >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
> > > >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
> > > >>> penned Obama's two books.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
> > > >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
> > > >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
> > > >>> of those carpet baggers.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
> > > >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
> > > >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
> > > >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
> > > >>
> > > > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
> > > >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
> > > >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
> > > >> could not do.
> > > >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
> > > >>
> > > > hanson wrote:
> > > > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
> > > > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
> > > > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
> > > > Here, for your benefit, are some more
> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the
> > > difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write
> > > in German).
> > >
> > > The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and
> > > there are way more English words than German.
> > >
> > > German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because
> > > they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to
> > > pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
> > >
> > > So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could
> > > also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes
> > > are typical for Germans and for English.
> > >
> > > For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the
> > > people living there are male singular (the German).
> > >
> > > The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly
> > > the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
> > >
> > > So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are
> > > used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them
> > > long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
> > >
> > >  From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if
> > > there is no accent.
> > >
> > > But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
> > > von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
> > >
> > > Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
> > > Einstein could not have written it (himself).
> > >
> > > But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
> > > text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
> > > translated by a professional translator.
> >
> > I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> > yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> > _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
> >
> > If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
> > grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
> > one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
> > hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet,
> > and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such
> > errors can be easily eliminated.
> >
> > Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight is a
> > different question--he was an expert on physics, not government.  Expertise
> > in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another.
> >
> 
> 'government expert'?? ,  i didn't even know the term existed. Is Trump a
> 'government expert'????


Einstein was certaintly a communist expert:

the first item in Einstein's file, in 1932, arguing that Einstein should not be allowed into the United States. 
''Not even Stalin himself'' was affiliated with so many anarchic-Communist groups, the letter said.

http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/_Einstein/fbi_files/1.pdf

https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein/Albert%20Einstein%20Part%201%20of%2014/view


Manifesto of the Communist Party: Special Collector's Edition with Foreward By Albert Einstein
Karl Marx; Friedrich Engels
https://www.abebooks.com/9781936828128/Manifesto-Communist-Party-Special-Collectors-193682812X/plp

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by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-10 10:32 -0700
  Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 11:02 -0700
    Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-10 11:46 -0700
      Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 16:54 -0700
        Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-10 19:26 -0700
          Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 22:24 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-11 09:41 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-11 11:23 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 13:34 -0500
                Re: by albert einstein Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 12:20 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:38 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-17 12:48 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-17 14:02 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 18:09 -0400
                Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-17 22:44 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-18 15:55 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 12:06 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 14:11 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-18 15:52 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 18:59 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-11 12:34 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-11 15:40 -0700
          Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-11 09:54 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-11 22:07 -0700
          Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-13 11:10 -0700
          Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-13 12:03 -0700
            Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 15:39 -0400
              Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-13 13:11 -0700
                Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 16:17 -0400
                Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-13 13:46 -0700
                Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-08-13 17:04 -0400
                Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 19:43 -0400
    Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-12 13:51 +0200
      Re: by albert einstein Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 05:24 -0700
      Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-12 11:25 -0700
        Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-12 22:41 +0200
          Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-12 14:08 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 14:49 -0700
          Re: by albert einstein "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 18:01 -0400
            Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 18:04 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 18:36 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 19:15 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-12 20:26 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-13 20:32 +0200
              Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-13 12:16 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-13 21:05 +0200
              Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-14 13:16 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-15 10:21 +0200
                Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-15 12:08 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-15 14:35 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-16 08:19 +0200
      Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 13:06 -0700
  Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 11:20 -0400
    Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-13 10:19 -0700
      Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-13 11:08 -0700
  Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-23 10:42 -0700
    Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-25 12:33 -0700
  Re: by albert einstein "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:44 -0700
    Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-24 09:04 -0700
    Re: by albert einstein Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-24 16:57 -0700
      Re: by albert einstein benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 20:23 -0400
        Re: by albert einstein Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 14:21 -0700
          Re: Eventually, the Feds will have all the gold+BitCoins. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-26 12:23 -0700

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