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| From | cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave |
| Date | 2018-07-07 20:55 -0400 |
| Organization | Encompasserve |
| Message-ID | <a3TEG7FpUeMY@eisner.encompasserve.org> (permalink) |
Regarding flooded caves and partial pressures of key gases. Lots of people want to talk about the current situation at Doi Nang Non mountain but some have special knowledge that might be tapped. Currently there are dicussions about the low oxygen partial pressure (percentage, presumably by volume) of 15% at the team's location compared to a normal value of 21%, this new level already at the point where it can be causing some impairment. Sites like this one have graphic froms which one might hope to inferred at least some sort of scale information (beware possible wrap of URL): www.cbsnews.com/news/thailand-cave-rescue-latest-updates-today-officials-appear-close-to-launching-rescue-mission-2018-07-07/ Now if water volume is lowered and air volume is increased by the same amount, something must occur to make up the difference. According to South Dakota School of Mines these are limestone formations and therefore quite porous, and, in fact, diffusion through the limestone may be a major source of replenishment of the removed water during the monsoon season. So what is happening in the air spaces to deal with the increased air volume? Possibilities: o Concomitant lowering of pressure while relative pressures remain the same? o Ditto, except P_H20 remains constant (partial pressure H2O at maximum value for given temperature). o Combination effects, with, say chemical reactions or outgassing, changing the contributions of other gasses as well. I am here ignoring the partial pressure of CO2. Of course it will be going up as O2 is consumed by the humans in the cavity, but since some of the waste product of energy production in the body is H2O, there should be a smaller volume of CO2 produced than O2 consumed, say, roughly, 2:1. Finally, between two sealed cavities, does not a water-filled connecting tunnel act like a manometer so that water level will rise in the lower pressure chamber relative to the higher pressure chamber? Does that mean that if the chamber containing the team is smaller its water level may remain higher and air volume lower as the water in the other chambers is drained? Maybe this is moot because of the permeability of the limestone in which they are presumably embedded. George
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Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) - 2018-07-07 20:55 -0400
Re: Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) - 2018-07-07 21:30 -0400
Re: Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) - 2018-07-07 22:19 -0400
Re:Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-08 06:11 +0200
Re: Re:Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) - 2018-07-08 01:14 -0400
Re: Re:Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-08 07:30 +0200
Re: Re:Partial pressure of O2, CO2, etc., in Thailand cave cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) - 2018-07-09 02:40 -0400
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