Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view

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Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who are not
> even comfortable with the concepts of 19th century physics, let alone
> 20th century physics, and these people prefer to just speculate and
> argue about what "feels right" to them, justified or not.
> 
> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who think 19th
> century physics (the "classical" physics of Newton and Kelvin and
> Maxwell) is still the best model, and that physics went astray with
> relativity and quantum mechanics and basically anything that says
> classical physics is off a bit.
> 
> But what's interesting to me is that, with some of the reading that I've
> done over the last decade, even the "modern physics" of the 20th century
> has been left behind for newer and much different ideas.
> 
> Even in the "modern physics" paradigm, amateurs are prone to think of
> physics as being about things (objects, particles, material things)
> moving around in a backdrop of space and time, where their behaviors are
> controlled by certain laws of physics (like conservation of momentum or
> Gauss' law) and by certain interactions mediated by other "things"
> (gauge bosons, for example).
> 
> But the real picture of the 21st century is far stranger, and amateurs
> may not be fully aware of it.
> 
> In a very brief nutshell, all "things" have been replaced by fields
> which extend over ALL space and time. They don't live IN space and time
> like you imagine particles or ping pong balls. They are part of the
> fabric OF space and time.
> 
> There are ripples in these fields, which have behavior constrained by
> symmetries of nature, which are more fundamental in a deep sense than
> the conservation laws of nature.
> 
> Ripples can be measured by a quantity called "action", which physicists
> have known about for a long time. What they didn't know until the 20th
> century is that the smallest chunk of action is given by a number called
> Planck's constant. These smallest ripples are what we associate with
> field quanta, and when physicists say "fundamental particles" they are
> really talking about these field quanta.
> 
> So, recapping so far, the idea of "things" moving through space and time
> has become replaced with the idea of fields that extend everywhere, and
> the ripples in them that are bestowed with small amounts of action.
> 
> (I've glossed over a key idea that a field is nothing more than a map of
> the value(s) of a property(ies) OF spacetime itself. Different fields
> correspond to different sets of properties of spacetime, and all the
> fields overlay each other. The little quantized ripples in the fields
> can be distinct from each other though, in some sense.)
> 
> Now the last core concept is that a ripple carrying some action in one
> field can generate or disturb a ripple carrying some action in a
> different field. This is what we call an interaction between fields.
> Here's where another old idea gets replaced -- charge (like color charge
> or electromagnetic charge) is not some kind of "stuff" that belongs to
> "things"; instead, charge is just defined as that tendency for a given
> pair of fields to interact and create ripples in each other. The laws
> that control these interactions are in fact driven by yet more
> symmetries of nature (local gauge symmetries).
> 
> What's astonishing about this is that physicists now believe that the
> fundamental thing that physics is about is the interaction, not the
> object. And rather than physical laws, physicists now think of
> symmetries as the fundamental constraint.
> 
> So gone are the days of thinking of the world as moving things in a
> backdrop of space and time. Here today we have the primacy of the
> interaction, of action, and of symmetry. And THAT is what 21st century
> physics seems to me to be really about.
> 
> There are lots of good references here that support this nutshell recap
> in much better detail.
> 
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables




"interaction" is not what "physicists now believe", it's just another
'rehash' of an old theory. 


You certaintly fell for the new lingo "interaction".

It's pushcart science.

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What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:28 -0500
  What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:04 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-25 19:17 -0500
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 01:25 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:52 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 12:27 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-27 22:24 -0700
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:08 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:32 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 15:39 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 17:25 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 19:25 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 05:55 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:46 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 07:09 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:44 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:51 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:16 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:04 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:43 -0400
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  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 16:19 +0000
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  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 15:57 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 17:08 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 18:00 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 19:15 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 10:25 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 06:43 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:45 -0500
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:11 +0200
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 12:22 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 12:36 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:59 -0500
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:49 +0200
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 23:43 -0700
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-29 16:01 +0200
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 07:59 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-29 10:42 -0700
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-30 21:45 +0200
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 12:46 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-03 22:32 +0200
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    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 06:59 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-30 19:00 +0000

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