Re: FAITH

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Date	2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: FAITH
References	(9 earlier) <hlwdjsd2-7BF913.06231918062016@news.giganews.com> <edjambls903qn3lefph0tcgg9qmnc1t6kg@4ax.com> <hlwdjsd2-AF25C6.15014018062016@news.giganews.com> <2614689e-20ad-4277-88e4-2af7e7c9e22d@googlegroups.com> <hlwdjsd2-FC6A6B.20102618062016@news.giganews.com>

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Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> 
> In article <2614689e-20ad-4277-88e4-2af7e7c9e22d@googlegroups.com>,
>  Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 3:01:48 PM UTC-7, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > In article <edjambls903qn3lefph0tcgg9qmnc1t6kg@4ax.com>,
> > >  Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>,
> > > > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> faith
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> that
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> basement?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> place
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> than
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> search?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >direction
> > > > >> >> >> >> >you
> > > > >> >> >> >> >try.
> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> What evidence?
> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys.
> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your
> > > > >> >> >> >> basement
> > > > >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof?
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you?
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> The weakness of your position
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >What "weakness"?
> > > > >> >> >\
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon
> > > > >> >> didn't run off with them.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can
> > > > >> take some new approach aren't you?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to
> > > > >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at
> > > > >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question):
> > > > >>
> > > > >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote:
> > > > >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > > > >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the
> > > > >> :>>> basement?
> > > > >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than
> > > > >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search?
> > > > >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction
> > > > >> :>>you
> > > > >> :>>try.
> > > > >> :>What evidence?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a
> > > > >> bullshit claim.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible
> > > > >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your
> > > > >> "evidence" that the keys are still there?
> > > > >
> > > > >Finding them there.
> > > >
> > > > Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning
> > > > a raccoon.
> > > >
> > > > Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow,
> > > > and in chronological order for those without a time machine:
> > > >
> > > > 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means
> > > > you don't know where they are -- in the present).
> > > > 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that
> > > > you might find them there?
> > >
> > > Because I didn't find them anywhere else I looked.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Again, for the slow among those of us who experience time moving in
> > > > only one direction, you haven't found them yet -- they are still lost
> > > > as you decide where to start looking for them.
> > >
> > > You start with the most likely places and then you move to the unlikely
> > > places.
> > >
> > > Why have you turned this basic activity into insanity?
> > >
> >
> > Because he's bat shit crazy.  In a category all his own.
> 
> That's true. This keys, roofs, and raccoon thing is way too weird, even
> for our regular trolls.
> 
> Does anyone know what he was trying to prove?



That women don't know what they are talking about.


Every guy knows that...


we just...pretend.

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FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700
  Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 11:47 +0000
    Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400
      Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:23 -0700
        Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:33 -0400
          Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:41 -0700
            Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400
              Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:36 -0500
              Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 18:26 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:17 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:42 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:47 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700
                Re: FAITH Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:33 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 09:48 -0400
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:01 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:08 -0400
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 18:21 -0600
                Re: FAITH James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:30 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:38 -0400
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 21:11 -0600
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:03 -0400
                Re: FAITH James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 07:42 -0700
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:06 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:53 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:57 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 20:24 -0700
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:14 -0700
                Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-19 08:37 +0100
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:11 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:57 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:03 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:15 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:25 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:58 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:05 -0400
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
            Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-17 13:54 -0500
            Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 19:46 +0000
          Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0500
          Re: FAITH Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-06-17 23:28 -0400
      Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
    Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
      Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
        Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
  Re: FAITH Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
    Re: FAITH djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
  Re: FAITH Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 09:34 -0700
    Re: FAITH pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 12:45 -0700
      Re: FAITH James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:13 -0700
  Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
  Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 07:14 -0700
    Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:51 +0000
      Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-20 21:59 +0100
        Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 00:55 +0000
          Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-20 20:26 -0500
            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:08 +0100
            Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:01 +0000
      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700
        Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700
            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100
              Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:52 -0700
                Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:33 +0100
                Re: FAITH Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-06-23 11:22 -0600
                Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:19 +0000
                Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:24 +0000
    Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400
      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
        Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700
        Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100
        Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:44 -0700
            Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-23 11:24 -0600
              Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-23 22:54 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 09:07 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 11:14 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 12:51 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 13:38 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 16:45 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 16:44 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 18:03 -0600
              Re: FAITH "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 10:28 -0700
  Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 11:09 -0700
    Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:55 +0000
      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 18:16 -0700
        Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:04 +0000
          Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 05:10 -0700
            Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-21 22:00 -0400
            Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:56 -0700
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:54 -0700
            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:58 +0100
              Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-22 12:29 +0000
              Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:55 -0700
                Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:16 +0100
  Re: FAITH little brother <andronicus451@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:17 -0700
  Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:06 -0400

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