Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 01:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <57663626.1477@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 23:05:26 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: FAITH References: <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com> <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com> <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com> <2614689e-20ad-4277-88e4-2af7e7c9e22d@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 166 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-vPtIzjDpqBFIv/lQJrPkjAa9Jb1hlkkzjkgR4NTLmeMnZc75uZEyrdZGuaDMgcowQhPSvKVMXpt2qal!Y41r9MWjS51lRkMwIrg7gVculzHjyeqy/3dbdXwvUDlb8wuThfOBNX4zACwVLeSlPrF79B+BeyrW!Stz04HXC4wk= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 8546 X-Received-Bytes: 8637 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1319074300 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2127847 sci.physics:585635 sci.physics.relativity:386189 Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > In article <2614689e-20ad-4277-88e4-2af7e7c9e22d@googlegroups.com>, > Cloud Hobbit wrote: > > > On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 3:01:48 PM UTC-7, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > In article , > > > Wally W. wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > > > > > >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, > > > > > Wally W. wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >In article , > > > > >> > Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > > > > >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > > > > >> >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >In article , > > > > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> faith > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> that > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in > > > > >> >> >> >> >> the > > > > >> >> >> >> >> basement? > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one > > > > >> >> >> >> >> place > > > > >> >> >> >> >> than > > > > >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the > > > > >> >> >> >> >> search? > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the > > > > >> >> >> >> >direction > > > > >> >> >> >> >you > > > > >> >> >> >> >try. > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> What evidence? > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your > > > > >> >> >> >> basement > > > > >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> The weakness of your position > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >What "weakness"? > > > > >> >> >\ > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > > > > >> >> didn't run off with them. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? > > > > >> > > > > >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? > > > > >> > > > > >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can > > > > >> take some new approach aren't you? > > > > >> > > > > >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to > > > > >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. > > > > >> > > > > >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at > > > > >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): > > > > >> > > > > >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> :>>In article , > > > > >> :>> Wally W. wrote: > > > > >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > > > >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > > > > >> :>>> basement? > > > > >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > > > > >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > > > > >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction > > > > >> :>>you > > > > >> :>>try. > > > > >> :>What evidence? > > > > >> > > > > >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a > > > > >> bullshit claim. > > > > >> > > > > >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible > > > > >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your > > > > >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? > > > > > > > > > >Finding them there. > > > > > > > > Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning > > > > a raccoon. > > > > > > > > Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, > > > > and in chronological order for those without a time machine: > > > > > > > > 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means > > > > you don't know where they are -- in the present). > > > > 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that > > > > you might find them there? > > > > > > Because I didn't find them anywhere else I looked. > > > > > > > > > > Again, for the slow among those of us who experience time moving in > > > > only one direction, you haven't found them yet -- they are still lost > > > > as you decide where to start looking for them. > > > > > > You start with the most likely places and then you move to the unlikely > > > places. > > > > > > Why have you turned this basic activity into insanity? > > > > > > > Because he's bat shit crazy. In a category all his own. > > That's true. This keys, roofs, and raccoon thing is way too weird, even > for our regular trolls. > > Does anyone know what he was trying to prove? That women don't know what they are talking about. Every guy knows that... we just...pretend.