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Re: past,present,future

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Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 8:26:43 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> > On 05/04/2016 09:38 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > On 5/1/16 5:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >> if the past doesn't exist..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    If you look at this diagram,
> > >  > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/World_line.svg
> > >
> > >    You will notice that events are basically in the future or the past
> > >
> > >    The "present" is represented by an infinitesimally small point.
> >
> > Sam, since "points" don't exist, clearly nothing is in the "present".
> >
> > So the model fails. One must then ask how much time it takes for
> > consciousness to be aware of events? This time is clearly needed for us
> > to be aware of the "present". The only way your model can work is that
> > if consciousness perceives present events instantaneously. Such "action
> > at a distance" does not seem to exist in physics though the QM guys are
> > starting to argue that it does.
> 
> Time goes back forever, space goes on forever.
> 
> The present basically "is" the event.
> 
> There's pretty much a forward arrow of time,
> but it is a direction, not a dimension.  It
> is pretty clearly the significant component
> of "gradient" (which is basically the model
> of the slope that things tend to fall along
> the gradient).
> 
> The future is not fixed, the past quite well
> is, back to the attenuation of time and the
> attenuation of events.  This is where, when
> a tree falls in the forest, it contributes
> to all the background noise there is and no
> sound ever truly goes away, only attenuating
> to indistinguishability.  That's directly
> enough entropy in thermodynamics, with that
> being classical.
> 
> In the relativistic some may not have "absolute
> time" yet still in the total there's a notion
> that there's some "absolute time".  For example,
> the spaceman twins paradox, people tend not to
> note that relative to the accelerating twin,
> the other one is accelerating away, then that
> if the one twin left at light speed, to return,
> it would have to leave where it arrived, then about
> what happens when the spaceman just goes back and
> forth at relativistic velocities.  The "time dilation"
> still sees that there's no going back in time.
> 
> So, "time dilation" may still leave place in the
> theory for "absolute time" just like relativity
> otherwise does for "flat space-time", or, as is
> noted, that the cosmological constant is an
> infinitesimal, and that space-time is more curved
> than any line and flatter than any curve.
> 
> The present is all that exists, but it results
> from events in the past and results in the
> events of the future.
> 
> Then, where all of the past happened somehow,
> you might as well simply have time as another
> dimension, that all of the universe's space
> is basically a picture in time (or "hologram",
> where a diagram fits in less dimensions,
> eventually just one dimension a "continuum").
> 
> Then, it is attenuated to where events in the
> most distant past have the same origin while
> events in the present are "parallel transport",
> with "geometry of time".
> 
> Time goes back forever, space goes on forever.


Space is forever, but it isn't going anywhere.

Time does not exist...you're just have the illusion of time...it appears
to be flowing.

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past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 15:54 -0700
  Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 18:18 -0500
    Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 16:59 -0700
      Re: past,present,future "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-01 18:30 -0700
        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 18:59 -0700
          Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 21:02 -0500
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 22:46 -0700
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 10:01 -0700
              Re: past,present,future Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-05-02 21:39 -0500
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 21:20 -0700
                Re: past,present,future "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 22:26 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 22:46 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 00:15 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 20:55 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 22:17 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-08 22:36 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-09 21:21 -0700
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-11 13:35 -0700
              Re: past,present,future "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-05-04 18:56 -0700
  Re: past,present,future David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2016-05-02 20:29 -0600
    Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 19:11 -0700
  Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500
    Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-05 00:03 +0200
      Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 19:27 -0500
        Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-05 03:14 +0200
    Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-04 23:08 -0700
      Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 09:16 -0500
        Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-06 19:58 +0200
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:11 -0700
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 09:40 -0700
        Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 15:29 -0500
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 23:24 -0700
        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:13 -0700
  Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 20:38 -0500
    Re: past,present,future benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-04 23:26 -0400
      Re: past,present,future Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-04 23:59 -0500
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 23:30 -0700
        Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 08:42 -0500
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:05 -0700
            Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 18:18 -0500
              Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 20:30 -0700
                Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 22:33 -0500
              Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 20:58 -0700
                Re: past,present,future Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-06 22:08 -0600
                Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 19:07 +0200

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