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Re: OK, .. Let's See :-)

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On 7/15/25 9:00 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 7/15/25 11:57 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
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>> SCO was created for countries who are not on the Nazis' side to 
>> discuss their issues and find ways to _cooperate_ to solve them. That 
>> "C" in the middle of the acronym stands for Cooperation.
>>
>> It is being held in Shanghai right now, and Araghchi is attending to 
>> ask the big paper tigers why they're so inactive against Nazis and 
>> minding their own businesses as long as selling and buying stuff to 
>> and from Nazis and paying not too much tariffs are concerned. This 
>> will come up, but is not the main reason for his participation of course.
>>
>> I've done it before here, but even I cannot find it anymore in the sea 
>> of stuff I'm blogged here. So let me briefly go over a few features of 
>> SCO once more.
>>
>> Just like BRICS, I think and believe that, the significance of SCO is 
>> only in coming together of little countries around the world for such 
>> discussions, and not in China's and/or Russia's or India's presence 
>> there. These huge entities feel safe and are greedy enough to keep 
>> things as it is for little countries while they are profiting from 
>> Nazis. They're totally useless, to be honest.
>>
>> Well, the three mentioned nations describe their own disloyalty to SCO 
>> and fickleness by insisting that one of the foundation principles of 
>> SCO is "balance", and by that word they mean maintaining relations 
>> with Nazis. This is their excuse. So they admit what they are, and 
>> what they're doing is not helping SCO, but have an excuse for it.
>>
>> Useless. That's what they are.
>>
>> I say it for the nth time since it got created around the turn of the 
>> century, that the big guys there are insignificant. The significance 
>> of SCO is in little countries participating in it ONLY.
>>
>> These smaller countries are the ones who help each other under SCO's 
>> principles, and that includes counter-terrorism assistance, regional 
>> stability, some degree of intelligence sharing, providing economic 
>> connectivity, and, if you can believe it, _using_ the big fat paper 
>> tigers in creating a safe zone against Nazis.
>>
>> THAT's the significance of SCO, not the big fat useless members 
>> presence in there.
>>
>> And I repeat (I've said it at least 5 or 6 times before) that SCO does 
>> not have direct military assistance in its nature. It is no "NATO", so 
>> to speak.
>>
>> But it goes a long way just the way it is. And only for the little 
>> countries in there. For the big fat useless ones it is as good as 
>> nothing.
>>
>> Another unique feature of SCO is that it "leaves no child behind", so 
>> to speak. In voting for a decision for some directive, even one 
>> negative vote from any member country will veto that decision and 
>> directive. So it is no "UN" that's so ridiculously at the disposal of 
>> only 5 or 6 countries in the world.
>>
>> UN is an abomination against human's dignity. Switzerland, as long as 
>> it could still maintain a spirit of self-reliance and dignity, avoided 
>> membership in UN. But by early this century Switzerland had fallen and 
>> had lost that spirit (read that as: it became Bitch of USA) and joined 
>> UN.
>>
>> So this unique feature in SCO means that the "C", the Cooperation, is 
>> limited to only what can be done for every and all member's benefit. 
>> It does not sacrifice some to benefit others. It is no UN, so to speak.
>>
>>
>> A lot is included in what I described in SCO. A lot can be done, and 
>> is being done! But again, almost entirely by the little member 
>> nations. Just to give instances of that, look at:
>>
>> - trading oil and gas
>> - sharing and creating markets (e.g. Central Asia, Silk Road, ..)
>> - providing bank services
>> - exchanges in science
>> - exchanges in education
>> - exchanges in tourism
>> - networking the member countries' universities
>> - ...
>>
>>
>> Even in Shah's time, some degree of cooperation between Iran and other 
>> little countries were ongoing, cause it just made a lot of sense. I 
>> still remember the absolute best teacher of Persian grammar we had in 
>> our top high school. He was a very well-dressed, very quiet, tall, and 
>> dark-skinned Pakestani :-)
>>
>> We _learned_ our own language's grammar perfectly well only because of 
>> that Pakestani guy (and a superb text by a team of famous Iranian 
>> Persian experts). He had some accent, and he pronounced some words in 
>> its correct Persian form (and not in the strange Tehrani way of saying 
>> them) but knew the subject like nobody I've seen after. Persian has 
>> amazingly deep features that can be used to describe anything that 
>> needs description very closely and accurately. We Iranians do not take 
>> this feature for granted. That's why Iran is so advanced in quality 
>> literature. World-class, really.
>>
>> Result? In the university entrance exams held in 1972, some 5 years 
>> later, I could still score 100/100 in its definitive Persian language 
>> test. "The hardest test" among all other tests in those exams. I was 
>> one in five persons only, in those who ended up in Tehran University, 
>> who got 100% of the subtle and difficult questions correctly!.. (in 
>> Physics test of it I got the 4th place in those who got into Tehran 
>> University - not nationally). And I owe my score in Persian to nobody 
>> but that Pakestani teacher.
>>
>> He (unfortunately I have forgotten his name) was part of an 
>> educational exchange program with Pakestan in 1960s :-)
>>
>> Pakestanis love Iran, mainly because they understand Persian and have 
>> the exact same history that they share, and they can appreciate good 
>> Persian literature. Pakestan _was_ Iran till 1872, when the British 
>> took her away from Iran.
>>
>> So SCO is effective, believe me. But really only to little nations. 
>> The big ones don't need anything at all. If they say otherwise, 
>> they're speaking out of their asses. They're fine as things are today 
>> and their heads are indeed up their own asses.
>>
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> 
> World is getting smaller.
> 
> North Korea said today that next attack on Iran will be considered by 
> North Korea a security threat to Asia and will trigger response from 
> North Korea.
> 
> They also said that the era of creating "local wars" doesn't exist anymore.
> 
> They mean what they're saying. They sent troops to fight alongside 
> Russians against Ukraine. In the case of Israel and Iran, though, troops 
> might not be the best choice of cooperation with Iran.
> 
> I think Korea has come a long way since 1980s to help Russia in that way 
> now. Back then they wouldn't supply Iran with missiles (Scud). Iran 
> asked and never got it directly from them. It was Libya which lent 8 
> Scuds to Iran, 6 of which Iran used immediately to hit Baghdad with, 
> which contributed very much in Saddam's stopping to hit Tehran with 
> missiles. Libya in turn purchased 8 more from North Korea.
> 
> The remaining 2 after using 6 of them were reversed engineered and 
> turned into improved 1st generation Shahab-1 :) They were short range 
> and very inaccurate, good only to make it somewhere to the city where 
> the target was :) Hehe :) But they had a mighty one ton payloads!.. They 
> did deliver effective messages to Saddam. Hitting Iran with missiles 
> completely stopped.
> 
> But despite their shortcomings, they were still a bit better than what 
> Libya gave Iran. I believe they traveled about 100 km farther. So 
> instead of taking Scuds to the border right under Iraqi's noses to fire 
> them, Shahab-1 could be fired from hidden places inside a city or 
> village or something in safer places. So Shahab-1 was indeed a good 
> improvement.
> 
> Anyway, I do not remember Korea giving Iran Scuds despite the fact that 
> the Leader (he was president back then) traveled to Korea in person to 
> ask for them. And I remember Hafez Assad only offered training on their 
> usages but could not give a few to Iran, stating that Soviets didn't 
> allow it. Syrians had the original scuds from Russia, which weren't 
> called Scuds. Russian originals were called R-11. And Russians called 
> Iranian Shahab-1 slight variation as R-17 Elbrus (the Elbrus pointing to 
> Iran's Alborz stretch of mountains).
> 
> And NATO of course had their own jargon for each of these missiles.
> 
> So.. . If Iran is attacked again in this day and age, North Korea might 
> do more than what they did 40 years back. Therefore I think what they 
> said today is significant.
> 
> 
> 
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I have no doubt why North Korea is doing this. They've come to the same 
understanding as Iran has come for at least 15 years. They now know, 
that if they do not stop Nazis somewhere inside or close to where Nazis 
are, one day they'd have to fight them inside North Korea. This is what 
Nazis are, and many people in the world do not know that. I think even 
China and India do not know that. They do not understand Nazis, yet.

This does not mean they do not help fighting them when things get 
critical for their allies. They do. They do rarely go that far, and only 
that far. But they aren't being directly threatened by the Nazis 
presently. So they're not doing anything about them in "peace" time, so 
to speak.

But I think Iran will have North Koreans' backing. Again, it is a matter 
of little guys and big guys. Other friends can later include Pakestan 
and Afghanestan. This of course does not include secret backing of Iran 
by big guys like China and perhaps even India when things get really tough.

Russia is out, as they're pro-Israel. Their only use for Iran is in 
bartering mundane equipment with Iran in days of reciprocal need, but 
never stuff that they think Iran will for sure use to gravely hurt 
Israel. China (and perhaps even India) is different. China is not 
pro-Israel in the same fanatical way as Russia is. China can help you 
kill Israelis if needed, and they might even do it themselves.

I have a hunch this actually happened in this 12 day war.

Do you remember that I posted here something right before the start of 
the so-called "surprise" war, that several Chinese aircraft had begun 
flying toward Iran? These fighter jets entered Iran's eastern air space, 
sometimes turning their ADSB equipment on, and sometimes keeping them 
off. The enthusiasts who detect and follow air traffic began spotting 
them from day 3 into the war and on, but intermittently. This is when 
all the missiles had started to be launched from only the eastern parts 
of Iran because many of the western parts' launchers where hit by 
Israelis jets (be it most of them were just decoys). But Iran stayed 
capable of launching missiles from the eastern part till the end of the 
war!

Those who noticed this (several admins in telegram news sources) were of 
the opinion that the reason for that was nothing but Israeli planes not 
having enough fuel to fly that far east. But this is bullshit. Iran's 
radars on the western parts were also hit ("be it most of them were just 
decoys"), so all those planes that carried fuel for Israeli jets were 
also inside Iran's west side. Israeli jets as far as fuel was concerned 
could easily reach east Iran. Why didn't they bomb the launchers located 
in eastern Iran?

I think the reason is that, Chinese fighter jets shot each and every one 
of them that entered into eastern skies, with the exception of only one 
or two which managed to bomb Mashhad. Israelis (i.e. Americans) must've 
found out that they have to perform dogfights with Chinese jets first, 
before being able to bomb and destroy the launchers on the east side, so 
it dawned on them, for the fist time, that they cannot stop the flow of 
missiles from Iran to Israel no matter what they do. It would be as hard 
as having literally an air war with China.

That's when Israel asked USA to stop the war.

I think this happened. So I think China helps when help is badly needed, 
but since China herself does not feel threatened by Nazis, she's not as 
concerned about them as little nations and countries like Iran and North 
Korea are.

But Russia?

As I described above, they did and have been doing exactly what I said 
above. Since the end of the war, they've been sending two large military 
cargo planes to Iran every 24 hours, accompanied by a few of Iran's 
Tomcats and Mig-29s, who come in and empty their cargo and fly back to 
Russia either empty or with something Iran is supplying them with. 
Nobody knows what is being traded. But I bet my boots they're nothing 
out of ordinary. I don't think they're uranium.

When Russians helped Iran with H-bomb know-how beginning in November of 
2023 (This is what only I think - I have not seen even one Iranian or 
non-Iranian mentioning this) they were absolutely sure Iran would not 
use them on Israel, but would only use them to create a mutual balance 
with Israel, which enhances peace and in fact prevents a nuclear war.

That's why Russia did that. They did it for the sake of Israelis, not 
Iranians.

This isn't something only in my head. First off, when it began, I found 
two obscure news sources mentioning that a large number of Iranian 
scientists and engineers had gone to Moscow for "training" inside 
Kurchatov Institute. This is all they said. The rest of it is nothing 
but my own processing of that info. I have not seen anything about it 
since then.

Anyway, my point is that Russians will NOT fight Israelis no matter 
what, especially for Iran. Never! They never kill Israelis. They will 
not help Iran fight Israelis effectively. What they did in that H-bomb 
matter was only to protect Israel from a nuclear war, cause H-bombs can 
do that. They can prevent nuclear wars. But China is a different beast. 
She _can_ and I think did fight Israelis. China _would_ kill Israelis, 
if Iran is seriously threatened by them.

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