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Is a clock second a universal interval of time?

Started bykenseto <setoken@att.net>
First post2018-11-03 08:45 -0700
Last post2018-11-21 17:15 +0000
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  Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 08:45 -0700
    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 16:41 +0000
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 12:54 -0700
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 13:03 -0700
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 21:40 +0100
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:55 +0000
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:16 -0700
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 14:53 -0700
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-03 15:33 -0700
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 08:43 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 18:17 +0100
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 10:21 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-05 16:03 -0800
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:43 -0800
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-06 05:14 -0800
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 13:52 +0000
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 06:13 -0800
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-06 06:15 -0800
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-06 16:20 +0000
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-06 17:40 -0800
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 04:29 +0000
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-07 06:48 -0800
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 22:15 +0000
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-08 13:26 -0800
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 14:59 -0800
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-11 07:39 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 07:56 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 21:19 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:15 -0500
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 05:13 +0000
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 23:37 -0800
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 05:43 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 06:26 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:31 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 14:55 +0000
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:41 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktoa@yswdoez.cb> - 2018-11-05 20:46 +0000
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 10:18 -0800
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 07:01 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 15:26 +0000
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 09:13 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:55 +0000
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 05:33 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 06:58 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 15:26 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-05 15:53 +0000
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 10:15 -0800
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 10:21 -0800
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-06 16:09 +0000
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-07 06:36 -0800
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 08:01 -0800
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 21:59 +0000
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-08 12:09 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 09:15 -0800
    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 09:44 -0700
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktoa@yswdoez.cb> - 2018-11-03 19:13 +0000
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 05:46 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 06:30 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktea@yswdoiz.cp> - 2018-11-05 22:57 +0000
    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-03 16:58 +0000
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 10:30 -0700
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 08:33 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 23:18 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 12:59 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:39 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 23:17 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 06:53 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 15:26 +0000
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-04 17:51 +0000
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 23:20 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-05 16:01 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 08:42 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-06 08:45 +0100
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:51 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-06 15:47 +0000
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 23:33 -0800
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-07 06:27 -0800
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 21:44 +0000
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-08 05:53 -0800
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@j2adosw.nv> - 2018-11-09 19:39 +0000
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-10 22:53 +0000
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Gaston Castaneda <uucp@jav4ow.nq> - 2018-11-13 20:35 +0000
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-08 11:57 -0800
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 15:08 -0800
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-09 00:06 -0800
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-11 07:43 -0800
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 07:59 -0800
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-11 08:06 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 14:20 -0800
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-11 14:26 -0800
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 15:56 -0800
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-09 00:37 +0000
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-09 00:08 -0800
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-10 22:05 +0000
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 15:04 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 23:30 +0000
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 05:01 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 23:34 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 08:26 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-05 17:30 +0000
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 17:42 +0000
    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-03 17:02 +0000
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 08:36 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 18:15 +0100
    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:18 -0700
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktoa@yswdoez.cb> - 2018-11-03 18:59 +0000
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 11:29 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Ntowicz Usarczyk <iswso@wioioksi.io> - 2018-11-06 20:23 +0000
    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:28 +0000
      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-14 05:14 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 06:59 -0800
        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 15:39 +0000
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-14 19:21 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-14 19:24 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-15 06:31 +0000
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-14 23:23 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 13:55 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 07:03 -0800
          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-15 07:51 -0800
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:50 +0000
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 19:15 +0000
            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-15 19:45 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 16:43 +0000
              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-16 09:15 -0800
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-16 20:45 +0000
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-16 21:27 +0000
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-17 04:08 -0800
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:33 +0000
                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 00:02 +0000
                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-17 04:19 -0800
                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 12:30 +0000
                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-17 06:35 -0800
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 00:15 +0000
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-18 09:01 -0800
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 19:45 +0000
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-18 20:54 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 06:47 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:55 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:12 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-19 17:45 -0600
                                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Lochù Umská <lare@cpi2alwa.cc> - 2018-11-19 23:56 +0000
                                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-22 12:32 -0800
                                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 22:57 +0000
                                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-22 15:08 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 13:14 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:18 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 21:33 +0000
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:55 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 09:56 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 18:43 +0000
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 06:58 -0800
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:28 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 13:54 -0800
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-18 23:37 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:57 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-19 06:49 -0800
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:10 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 18:45 +0000
                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:45 +0000
                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 09:39 -0800
                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 18:30 +0000
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-20 06:48 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 15:34 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-20 18:56 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 14:22 +0000
                                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-21 08:32 -0800
                                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 17:30 +0000
                                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-21 10:46 -0800
                                          Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-22 07:31 -0800
                                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-22 16:07 +0000
                                            Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 18:43 +0000
                                        Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-22 05:10 +0000
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-20 18:11 +0000
                              Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-20 07:44 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 08:15 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-20 17:54 +0100
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-20 10:43 -0800
                                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-20 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-21 06:58 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 08:08 -0800
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-21 16:15 +0000
                                      Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-21 16:31 +0000
                                    Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 17:15 +0000

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#477625

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-11-20 10:43 -0800
Message-ID<1c192fd3-9a27-475f-8c68-9f43aa7d7bff@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477607
On Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:54:41 UTC+1, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn  wrote:
> kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> If there was a such thing as aether frames in which the purported aether 
> >> is stationary, these frames MUST be stationary relative to each other, but
> >> they may have different origins.
> > 
> > The aether is stationary but the observers are not stationary in the aether..
> 
> The assumption of a stationary aether as conceived by Maxwell was falsified
> by the MMX in 1887 already.

No, it wasn't. Even most of your fellow idiots
are not stupid enough to believe this.

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#477622

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-20 18:26 +0000
Message-ID<pt1jk7$6dj$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#477597
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >According to SR, the coordinate systems (including the origins) are not
>> >moving....the observer and the observed object are moving wrt each other.

>> The observer is stationary in his own inertial frame. The observed may
>> be moving in this first frame.

>The observer is stationary in his own frame is an oxymoron statement. 
>Stationary wrt what?

Stationary in his own rest frame. By definition, the observer defines the
frame.

>> The second observer ("the observed", above) has her OWN DIFFERENT inertial
>> frame. She is stationary in this frame. She will see the FIRST observer
>> moving in her frame.

>All observers are in a state of absolute motion within the aether.....

Nobody cares about your made-up aether.

>when an observer declares that he is stationary means that he is claiming
>the aether frame.

That contradicts your earlier claim that all objects are moving in your
aether. If an observer is moving in your aether, and defines his rest
frame as stationary relative to himself, this frame MUST be moving in
your aether frame, so he CANNOT be "claiming the aether frame"!

>> SR has inertial frames in motion with respect to each other.

>Observers are moving wrt each other. When an observer claiming that he is 
>stationary,

Stationary in his own rest frame.

> he is claiming that he is in  state of absolute rest in the 
>aether.

Impossible, because 1) SR has no aether; 2) SR has no absolute rest;
3) you claim everything moves relative to your aether so nothing can
EVER claim the aether frame.

>The observers are moving within the aether. There is no aether frame 
>because no observer is at rest in the aether to set it up.

You are very, very confused. First you claim there are an infinite number
of aether frames, then you claim there is only one aether frame, now you
claim there aren't any aether frames!

You can't remember what you wrote two minutes earlier? Alzheimers?

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#477725

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-11-21 06:58 -0800
Message-ID<9f943488-f9ca-45e6-8890-3d4e190f5216@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477622
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:26:17 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >> >According to SR, the coordinate systems (including the origins) are not
> >> >moving....the observer and the observed object are moving wrt each other.
> 
> >> The observer is stationary in his own inertial frame. The observed may
> >> be moving in this first frame.
>
> >The observer is stationary in his own frame is an oxymoron statement. 
> >Stationary wrt what?
> 
> Stationary in his own rest frame. By definition, the observer defines the
> frame.

Only an observer at rest in the ether can claim that he is at rest in his won frame.....but no observer is at rest in the ether. Also no moving SR observer is at rest in the ether so he can’t claim the exclusive properties of the ether frame.

> 
> >> The second observer ("the observed", above) has her OWN DIFFERENT inertial
> >> frame. She is stationary in this frame. She will see the FIRST observer
> >> moving in her frame.
> 
> >All observers are in a state of absolute motion within the aether.....
> 
> Nobody cares about your made-up aether.

No body cares about the SR assertions.
> 
> >when an observer declares that he is stationary means that he is claiming
> >the aether frame.
> 
> That contradicts your earlier claim that all objects are moving in your
> aether. If an observer is moving in your aether, and defines his rest
> frame as stationary relative to himself,

No sir, I said that there is no rest frame for any observer moving in the ether.

> this frame MUST be moving in
> your aether frame, so he CANNOT be “claiming the aether frame"!

Although an observer is not at rest in the ether  but he can still use the ether frame math to predict the clock rate of a clock moving wrt him and that’s exactly why LET and  SR have the ether frame math. However, SR and LET  failed to recognize that the ether frame math is incomplete because it can only predict a moving clock in the ether is moving slow. That’s why I invented IRT. An IRT observer recognizes that he is not at rest in the ether so he predicts that a clock moving wrt him can run slow or fast....but only one of these predictions is correct. That’s why I said tat IRT is a complete theory of relativity and it includes LET and SR as subsets.

> 
> >> SR has inertial frames in motion with respect to each other.
> 
> >Observers are moving wrt each other. When an observer claiming that he is 
> >stationary,
> 
> Stationary in his own rest frame.
> 
> > he is claiming that he is in  state of absolute rest in the 
> >aether.
> 
> Impossible, because 1) SR has no aether; 2) SR has no absolute rest;
> 3) you claim everything moves relative to your aether so nothing can
> EVER claim the aether frame.
> 
> >The observers are moving within the aether. There is no aether frame 
> >because no observer is at rest in the aether to set it up.
> 
> You are very, very confused. First you claim there are an infinite number
> of aether frames, then you claim there is only one aether frame, now you
> claim there aren't any aether frames!
> 
> You can't remember what you wrote two minutes earlier? Alzheimers?

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#477730

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 08:08 -0800
Message-ID<5d3c3d8e-a764-4846-944e-04d7bcedbf2d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477725
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 9:58:26 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:26:17 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:

> > Stationary in his own rest frame. By definition, the observer
> >  defines the frame.
> 
> Only an observer at rest in the ether can claim that he is at 
> rest in his won frame.....

No idiot ken. I can claim that I am at rest in my travelling car, no?
I can claim that I remain seated in the seat as the car moves along, right?
You can claim that you remain seated in your chair in front of the computer, right? Even though you know that the earth it traveling around the sun. 

but no observer is at rest in the ether. Also no moving SR observer is at rest in the ether so he can’t claim the exclusive properties of the ether frame.


> No body cares about the SR assertions.

But they are not SR assertions, they are YOURS.
SR only says t'=(t-xv/c2)g. 

> No sir, I said that there is no rest frame for any observer 
> moving in the ether.

Idiot ken, a 'rest frame' MEANS the frame of the body, of the observer. 
Does your nose remain in the center of your face as you move about? yes! So you nose is at rest wrt you, to your frame, to your face. You agree with this right?


> > You can't remember what you wrote two minutes earlier? Alzheimers?

Indeed. His condition seems to be worsening big time.

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#477731

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-21 16:15 +0000
Message-ID<pt40as$bul$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#477725
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:26:17 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >The observer is stationary in his own frame is an oxymoron statement.
>> >Stationary wrt what?

>> Stationary in his own rest frame. By definition, the observer defines the
>> frame.

>Only an observer at rest in the ether can claim that he is at rest in his won frame.....

What? Do you have no clue what a reference frame is? Do you have no clue 
what relative motion is? This is HIGH SCHOOL physics and you don't 
understand it, yet you are trying to tell us that YOU have the answers? 
WTF?

Or are you just inventing your own definitions (which conflict with those
of science) again?

> but no observer is at rest in the ether.

Since there is no aether in SR, irrelevant.

>Also no moving SR observer is at rest in the ether so he can't claim the 
>exclusive properties of the ether frame.

Again, no aether in SR, so no exclusive properties to claim.

>> >when an observer declares that he is stationary means that he is claiming
>> >the aether frame.

>> That contradicts your earlier claim that all objects are moving in your
>> aether. If an observer is moving in your aether, and defines his rest
>> frame as stationary relative to himself,

>No sir, I said that there is no rest frame for any observer moving in the ether.

By writing that, you prove that you don't even know what the definition of
a rest frame is.  A rest frame of an observer is the frame created such 
that the observer is stationary (and typically at the origin).

Back to Odd's face/nose example. You can define a frame in which your face
is stationary. Your face is always at rest in this frame, by definition.
When you measure the speed of your nose in this frame, you always will
get 0 motion/stationary since your nose is attached to your face.
Now this frame may or may not be inertial, for example, if you get on a
roller coaster, this frame will not be inertial. And other people/observers
will see your face/this reference frame move about as you move about.
SR describe relations between objects as they move around relative to each 
other.

Notice that I did not once mention "aether" in the previous paragraph.
Nor did I need to. SR stands for Special RELATIVITY, it's all about
RELATIVE motion.

I think Odd said you have Halliday and Resnick. Get it out and look up
reference frame and Newton's First Law in its index, and READ it.
If you don't, borrow a high school physics book from the library and do
the same.

>> this frame MUST be moving in
>> your aether frame, so he CANNOT be "claiming the aether frame"!

>Although an observer is not at rest in the ether  but he can still use the
>ether frame math to predict the clock rate of a clock moving wrt him

Not in SR. SR states aether is irrelevant or nonexistant, so no aether 
frame math.

>An IRT observer recognizes that he is not at rest in the ether so he 
>predicts that a clock moving wrt him can run slow or fast....but only one 
>of these predictions is correct.

So IRT cannot make an exact prediction. That's yet another reason why IRT
is a complete failure.

In addition, IRT cannot deal with my "three rocket" example I posted a
couple times in similar threads.  With two observers, you may claim that
if A's clock is slow by B's clock then B's clock is fast by A's clock and
all is well. With 3 moving clocks...FAIL.

>I said tat IRT is a complete theory of relativity and it includes LET and 
>SR as subsets.

If SR is a subset of IRT, that means IRT agrees with everything SR says,
at least as a limit, but IRT has something additional to say.

Like how SR is (really) a subset of GR. GR agrees with everything SR has 
to say when there is no gravity (SR's domain). In addition, GR has lots
to say when there *is* gravity.

>> >The observers are moving within the aether. There is no aether frame
>> >because no observer is at rest in the aether to set it up.

>> You are very, very confused. First you claim there are an infinite number
>> of aether frames, then you claim there is only one aether frame, now you
>> claim there aren't any aether frames!

>> You can't remember what you wrote two minutes earlier? Alzheimers?

Please clarify your beliefs. How many aether frames are there in IRT?

1) None;
2) One;
3) Five;
4) Infinitely many with different origins but stationary wrt each other;
5) I haven't decided yet.

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#477732

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-21 16:31 +0000
Message-ID<pt418j$cll$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#477731
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:

>Back to Odd's face/nose example.

Sorry, rotchm's nose/face example.

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#477734

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 17:15 +0000
Message-ID<pt43r2$1rb6$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#477725
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:26:17 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>> 
>>>>> According to SR, the coordinate systems (including the origins) are not
>>>>> moving....the observer and the observed object are moving wrt each other.
>> 
>>>> The observer is stationary in his own inertial frame. The observed may
>>>> be moving in this first frame.
>> 
>>> The observer is stationary in his own frame is an oxymoron statement. 
>>> Stationary wrt what?
>> 
>> Stationary in his own rest frame. By definition, the observer defines the
>> frame.
> 
> Only an observer at rest in the ether can claim that he is at rest in his
> won frame.....but no observer is at rest in the ether. Also no moving SR
> observer is at rest in the ether so he can’t claim the exclusive
> properties of the ether frame.
> 
>> 
>>>> The second observer ("the observed", above) has her OWN DIFFERENT inertial
>>>> frame. She is stationary in this frame. She will see the FIRST observer
>>>> moving in her frame.
>> 
>>> All observers are in a state of absolute motion within the aether.....
>> 
>> Nobody cares about your made-up aether.
> 
> No body cares about the SR assertions.


That’s not true. YOU don’t care about SR. That’s because you are egocentric
and concerned only with your own grab for glory. 

Just about everyone else cares about SR. I know that’s disappointing to
you. 

>> 
>>> when an observer declares that he is stationary means that he is claiming
>>> the aether frame.
>> 
>> That contradicts your earlier claim that all objects are moving in your
>> aether. If an observer is moving in your aether, and defines his rest
>> frame as stationary relative to himself,
> 
> No sir, I said that there is no rest frame for any observer moving in the ether.
> 
>> this frame MUST be moving in
>> your aether frame, so he CANNOT be “claiming the aether frame"!
> 
> Although an observer is not at rest in the ether  but he can still use
> the ether frame math to predict the clock rate of a clock moving wrt him
> and that’s exactly why LET and  SR have the ether frame math. However, SR
> and LET  failed to recognize that the ether frame math is incomplete
> because it can only predict a moving clock in the ether is moving slow.
> That’s why I invented IRT. An IRT observer recognizes that he is not at
> rest in the ether so he predicts that a clock moving wrt him can run slow
> or fast....but only one of these predictions is correct. That’s why I
> said tat IRT is a complete theory of relativity and it includes LET and SR as subsets.
> 
>> 
>>>> SR has inertial frames in motion with respect to each other.
>> 
>>> Observers are moving wrt each other. When an observer claiming that he is 
>>> stationary,
>> 
>> Stationary in his own rest frame.
>> 
>>> he is claiming that he is in  state of absolute rest in the 
>>> aether.
>> 
>> Impossible, because 1) SR has no aether; 2) SR has no absolute rest;
>> 3) you claim everything moves relative to your aether so nothing can
>> EVER claim the aether frame.
>> 
>>> The observers are moving within the aether. There is no aether frame 
>>> because no observer is at rest in the aether to set it up.
>> 
>> You are very, very confused. First you claim there are an infinite number
>> of aether frames, then you claim there is only one aether frame, now you
>> claim there aren't any aether frames!
>> 
>> You can't remember what you wrote two minutes earlier? Alzheimers?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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