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Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.

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  Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-09 10:02 +1000
    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 19:02 -0700
      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-07 16:54 -0700
        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-09 10:03 +1000
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 02:14 +0000
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 09:44 +0000
    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-08 19:14 -0700
      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-08 19:16 -0700
      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-09 12:38 +1000
        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-08 21:09 -0700
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-09 17:09 +1000
    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-06-08 19:15 -0700
      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-09 12:36 +1000
        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 19:56 -0700
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 15:32 +0000
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 17:19 -0700
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-10 10:46 +0000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 10:38 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Bilového Hlumu <zbuuz@nwtwzwz.lb> - 2017-06-10 18:18 +0000
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Rhett Doucet <ttdh@etoe.ee> - 2017-06-19 13:42 +0000
        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-06-08 21:28 -0700
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-09 17:06 +1000
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-06-09 06:25 -0700
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 06:34 -0700
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 17:20 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 01:43 -0700
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 08:58 +1000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 16:05 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-10 20:17 +1000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-06-09 17:15 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 17:41 -0700
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 01:44 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 01:45 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-10 20:44 +1000
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 08:05 -0700
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 05:56 +1000
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 16:18 -0700
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 12:45 -0500
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 05:26 +1000
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 00:44 +0000
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. chanrasjid@gmail.com - 2017-06-23 01:58 -0700
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-23 09:02 -0500
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. chanrasjid@gmail.com - 2017-06-23 07:46 -0700
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-25 09:27 +1000
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-25 01:21 +0000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 12:43 -0500
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 06:08 +1000
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-11 00:49 +0000
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-09 14:37 +0000
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:12 -0700
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 09:03 +1000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 06:26 +0000
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-10 20:30 +1000
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 16:31 +0000
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 06:09 +1000
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-11 01:11 +0000
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-11 14:18 +1000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 15:57 -0500
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-12 01:45 +0200
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 00:22 +0000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:37 +1000
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 03:39 +0000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:22 +1000
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 15:38 +0000
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:45 -0500
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 05:00 +1000
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-10 20:28 +1000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 22:56 -0500
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-11 14:27 +1000
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 11:38 +0000
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-11 04:42 -0700
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 05:01 +1000
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-11 16:34 +0200
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-11 12:57 -0700
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-11 13:03 -0700
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-11 22:41 +0200
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-11 22:40 +0200
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-11 15:30 -0700
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-12 01:38 +0200
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 10:55 +1000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-12 10:45 +0200
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:24 +1000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 11:01 +0000
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 03:58 +1000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:12 +0000
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:50 +1000
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:55 +0000
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 05:20 +1000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:48 -0500
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-13 11:04 +1000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-13 16:00 +0000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 15:12 -0500
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 16:08 -0500
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Lolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-13 21:16 +0000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-15 17:57 +0200
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Lolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-15 16:05 +0000
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-13 21:38 +0000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 19:14 -0500
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 02:34 +0000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 02:45 +0000
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 23:18 -0500
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 17:44 +0000
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-16 21:06 -0500
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-20 15:26 +0000
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-23 09:41 +1000
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-13 21:54 +0000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 22:46 -0500
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-12 09:28 -0500
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-12 09:28 -0500
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:04 +1000
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-12 11:39 -0700
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:44 +0000
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:51 -0500
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 05:26 +1000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 19:51 +0000
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-13 10:55 +1000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-13 15:49 +0000
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 13:12 +1000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:47 +0000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 11:32 -0500
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-15 06:09 +1000
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 02:05 +0000
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 02:24 +0000
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 19:41 -0700
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-15 20:17 +1000
                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 13:14 +0000
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 15:13 -0500
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 13:14 +1000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:52 +0000
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-14 15:44 -0500
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-15 07:37 +1000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 11:21 -0700
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 15:32 -0700
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-15 09:16 +1000
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-15 16:12 -0500
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-16 15:30 +1000
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 00:33 -0500
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-10 20:36 +1000
    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-06-09 08:28 +0200
    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 07:51 -0500
      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 09:14 +1000
        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 00:50 -0500
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 17:23 +1000
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-10 20:58 +1000
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-10 11:06 +0000
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 06:18 +1000
        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 12:49 -0500
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-10 21:13 +0200
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 13:01 -0700
            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 06:58 +1000
              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-11 21:53 +0200
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-11 14:39 -0700
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:22 +1000
                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:32 +1000
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-11 18:53 -0700
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:28 +1000
                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-12 21:51 +0200
                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 21:57 +1000
                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-14 22:30 +0200
                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-15 07:31 +1000
                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 16:19 -0700
                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-15 10:39 +1000
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 18:01 -0700
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 18:54 -0700
                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-15 00:04 -0500
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-15 20:07 +1000
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-15 15:14 +0200
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-16 04:16 +1000
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-16 09:59 +0200
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-17 08:40 +1000
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 11:44 -0500
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-18 14:30 +0000
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-22 14:02 +0200
                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 06:21 -0700
                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-27 19:43 +0200
                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-28 09:03 +1000
                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-28 03:47 +0000
                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-28 15:54 +0200
                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-29 09:43 +1000
                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-29 12:29 +0200
                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-01 09:47 +1000
                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-01 21:10 +0200
                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-02 11:58 +1000
                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-02 03:33 +0000
                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Buck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl> - 2017-07-02 10:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-02 14:31 +0200
                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-03 11:34 +1000
                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-03 20:59 +0200
                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-04 09:39 +1000
                                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-04 15:10 +0200
                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-05 09:28 +1000
                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 00:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-05 12:22 +1000
                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-04 20:45 -0700
                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 03:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:37 -0500
                                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-06 10:27 +1000
                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 00:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-06 03:03 +0000
                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:38 -0500
                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 02:59 +0000
                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-07-04 04:08 +1000
                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-03 22:11 +0200
                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-04 08:32 +1000
                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-04 14:40 +0200
                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-05 09:36 +1000
                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-05 23:10 +0200
                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-06 10:39 +1000
                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-06 09:47 +0200
                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-06 20:09 +1000
                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-06 14:06 +0000
                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-06 22:20 +0200
                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-07 09:55 +1000
                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-07 16:16 +0200
                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-08 09:28 +1000
                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-07 15:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-08 09:37 +1000
                                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-08 07:35 +0000
                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-09 10:01 +1000
                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 02:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 09:34 +0000
                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 14:08 +0000
                                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 14:17 +0000
                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 16:53 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 17:23 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 17:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-09 19:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 02:24 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-11 10:44 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-10 20:09 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-11 19:25 +1000
                                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Laverne Chandler <unvnh@ednawe.ee> - 2017-07-13 13:24 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-11 14:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-11 14:39 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-12 08:16 +1000
                                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-12 03:17 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-11 23:43 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-15 11:04 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-16 03:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-16 13:55 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-17 08:42 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-17 14:49 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-18 08:56 +1000
                                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-18 05:08 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-19 09:33 +1000
                                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-18 20:18 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-19 10:25 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-17 08:40 +1000
                                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-17 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-18 08:58 +1000
                                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-17 09:53 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-18 09:01 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-18 16:25 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-18 15:18 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-18 21:14 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-19 09:45 +1000
                                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-19 15:05 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-20 08:51 +1000
                                                                                                            Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-20 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-21 14:30 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-21 15:04 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-22 08:53 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-22 14:47 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-23 16:51 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-23 14:46 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-24 12:04 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-12 17:04 +0000
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:57 -0500
                                  Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 17:56 +0200
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Lolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-15 16:01 +0000
                                    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-17 08:46 +1000
                                      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 11:41 -0500
                                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. Nými Icelulózy <ejienm@wzsfwe.ul> - 2017-06-15 21:59 +0000
          Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 06:14 +1000
    Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. khrapko_ri@hotmail.com - 2017-06-11 05:24 -0700
      Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:35 +1000

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#425233

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-17 08:42 +1000
Message-ID<okgq49$dti$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425133
On 16/07/17 21:55, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 16.07.2017 05.45, skrev Michael Moroney:
>> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:
>>
>> <snip excellent writeup>
>>
>>> The Hipparcos satellite was in an eccentric 10 hour orbit.
>>> (Which is a far cry from the geostationary orbit it was
>>>   supposed to have, but even if the launch was partly
>>>   a failure, the mission was very successful anyway.)
>>
>> What data got lost/experiments were unable to be performed because the
>> satellite wasn't in the intended orbit? 
> 
> I don't think much data was lost, but aberration corrections etc.
> would be more complex.
> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/launch-and-operations-phase

Don't try to wriggle out Paul. The larger the orbit, the smaller the 
natural rotation of the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it 
aligned to reference stars.
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#425294

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-17 14:49 +0200
Message-ID<okibp4$e46$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425233
Den 17.07.2017 00.42, skrev HGW...:
> On 16/07/17 21:55, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 16.07.2017 05.45, skrev Michael Moroney:
>>> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:
>>>
>>> <snip excellent writeup>
>>>
>>>> The Hipparcos satellite was in an eccentric 10 hour orbit.
>>>> (Which is a far cry from the geostationary orbit it was
>>>>   supposed to have, but even if the launch was partly
>>>>   a failure, the mission was very successful anyway.)
>>>
>>> What data got lost/experiments were unable to be performed because the
>>> satellite wasn't in the intended orbit? 
>>
>> I don't think much data was lost, but aberration corrections etc.
>> would be more complex.
>> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/launch-and-operations-phase
> 
> Don't try to wriggle out Paul. The larger the orbit, the smaller the
> natural rotation of the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it
> aligned to reference stars.

If there is some kind of thought behind this nonsensical statement,
it would be very interesting to have it explained. :-D

It is also very interesting to note that Ralph Malcom Rabbidge
still is ignorant of the fact that the Hipparcos satellite was
constantly rotating with a 2 hours period, and never was aligned
at any star. Each star passed through the observed field during
20 seconds.

One can but admire Ralph's ability to keep his mind
uncontaminated by knowledge.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425400

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-18 08:56 +1000
Message-ID<okjfbm$kfe$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425294
On 17/07/17 22:49, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 17.07.2017 00.42, skrev HGW...:
>> On 16/07/17 21:55, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

>>>> What data got lost/experiments were unable to be performed because the
>>>> satellite wasn't in the intended orbit? 
>>>
>>> I don't think much data was lost, but aberration corrections etc.
>>> would be more complex.
>>> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/launch-and-operations-phase
>>
>> Don't try to wriggle out Paul. The larger the orbit, the smaller the
>> natural rotation of the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it
>> aligned to reference stars.
> 
> If there is some kind of thought behind this nonsensical statement,
> it would be very interesting to have it explained. :-D
> 
> It is also very interesting to note that Henry George Wilson
> still is ignorant of the fact that the Hipparcos satellite was
> constantly rotating with a 2 hours period, and never was aligned
> at any star. Each star passed through the observed field during
> 20 seconds.

Paul, you really are becoming quite pathetic. Of course I know that. It 
is the axis of rotation that must be aligned...and that is achieved with 
the use of reference stars.

> One can but admire Henry's ability to keep his mind
> uncontaminated by knowledge.

Paul is becoming really desperate now......



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#425430

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-18 05:08 +0000
Message-ID<okk53p$nl0$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#425400
"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>On 17/07/17 22:49, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

>> It is also very interesting to note that Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge
>> still is ignorant of the fact that the Hipparcos satellite was
>> constantly rotating with a 2 hours period, and never was aligned
>> at any star. Each star passed through the observed field during
>> 20 seconds.

>Paul, you really are becoming quite pathetic. Of course I know that. It 
>is the axis of rotation that must be aligned...and that is achieved with 
>the use of reference stars.

Ralph, you should have read what Paul wrote earlier. To wit:

:The spin axis will be slowly rotated, so that different, but
:partly overlapping great circle strips are scanned every 2 hours.
:The data from several great circle strips can be combined to
:give a 2 dimensional map of their position (as seen from the
:satellite). During the 3+ years, the whole sky was scanned several
:times, which means that the position of each of the 118210 stars
:were measured several times with the Sun in different positions.

Or you should have read what I wrote, Ralph Rabbidge, instead of just
posting one of your pathetic lame attacks, Ralph:

:No, Ralph. It is obvious you didn't read (or understand) Paul's
:description. It rotates scanning the sky in a narrow strip and the axis
:of rotation slowly shifts so the next rotation overlaps the first but
:isn't exactly the same as the first pass.  (Hey, John Sefton! Quick!!
:A precessing spinny thing!!!)  As the axis of rotation slowly shifts,
:eventually the whole sky is covered.

:As you see, Ralph, the rotational axis is constantly changing, so no
:need for reference stars.  The 8-10 stars being imaged at any
:particular time are references for each other.

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#425543

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-19 09:33 +1000
Message-ID<okm5rt$ue2$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425430
On 18/07/17 15:08, Michael Moroney wrote "please take pity on me. I was 
born an idiot and can't change that".

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#425512

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-18 20:18 +0200
Message-ID<okljej$ou3$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425400
Den 18.07.2017 00.56, skrev HGW...:
> On 17/07/17 22:49, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 17.07.2017 00.42, skrev HGW...:
>>> On 16/07/17 21:55, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> 
>>>>> What data got lost/experiments were unable to be performed because the
>>>>> satellite wasn't in the intended orbit? 
>>>>
>>>> I don't think much data was lost, but aberration corrections etc.
>>>> would be more complex.
>>>> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/launch-and-operations-phase
>>>
>>> Don't try to wriggle out Paul. The larger the orbit, the smaller the
>>> natural rotation of the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it
>>> aligned to reference stars.
>>
>> If there is some kind of thought behind this nonsensical statement,
>> it would be very interesting to have it explained. :-D

I see. :-D

>>
>> It is also very interesting to note that Henry George Wilson
>> still is ignorant of the fact that the Hipparcos satellite was
>> constantly rotating with a 2 hours period, and never was aligned
>> at any star. Each star passed through the observed field during
>> 20 seconds.
> 
> Paul, you really are becoming quite pathetic. Of course I know that. 

No you don't.
If you had known that the telescope was never aligned
at any star you wouldn't have written:
Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
|" Any telescope will have to be perfectly aligned to some cosmic
|  object if its readings are to be meaningful."

And you still have no clue of how Hipparcos worked, you have
thoroughly demonstrated that you are unable to learn.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425550

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-19 10:25 +1000
Message-ID<okm8ti$12gh$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425512
On 19/07/17 04:18, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 18.07.2017 00.56, skrev HGW...:

>>
>> Paul, you really are becoming quite pathetic. Of course I know that. 
> 
> No you don't.
> If you had known that the telescope was never aligned
> at any star you wouldn't have written:
> Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
> |" Any telescope will have to be perfectly aligned to some cosmic
> |  object if its readings are to be meaningful."
> 
> And you still have no clue of how Hipparcos worked, you have
> thoroughly demonstrated that you are unable to learn.

Paul, nowhere does it say that Hipparcos relies entirely on its on-board 
gyroscopes for its axis alignment....which is virtually what you are 
claiming.



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#425232

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-17 08:40 +1000
Message-ID<okgq0r$dti$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#424986
On 15/07/17 19:04, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 12.07.2017 00.16, skrev HGW...:
>>
>> Tell us something We don't know...
>>
> 
> 
> There is no particular reference star.
> The basic principle is like this: The Hipparcos telescope
> projects the images of two 0.9 x 0.9 degrees fields separated
> by 58 degrees onto a common focal surface. At any time, there
> will be 4-5 stars in each field. Between these 16-25 pairs of
> stars the exact angular distance can be measured. (The measuring

> times, which means that the position of each of the 118210 stars
> were measured several times with the Sun in different positions.
> 
> The Hipparcos satellite was in an eccentric 10 hour orbit.
> (Which is a far cry from the geostationary orbit it was
>   supposed to have, but even if the launch was partly
>   a failure, the mission was very successful anyway.)
> 
> The raw data sent down to Earth as the measurements were
> done were not corrected in any way.
> 
> http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Hipparcos_overview
> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/payload
> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/data-reductions
> 
> And you still don't know, and never will.

Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
because of its finite height. Any telescope will have to be perfectly 
aligned to some cosmic object if its readings are to be meaningful. Of 
course Hipparcos needed reference stars...and lots of them....so that 
appropriate corrections could be made to the raw data.
I already gave you the quote that said the GR prediction was assumed 
correct when analyzing the data.


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#425250

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-17 02:28 +0000
Message-ID<okh7ct$a9a$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#425232
"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>On 15/07/17 19:04, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

>> There is no particular reference star.
>> The basic principle is like this: The Hipparcos telescope
>> projects the images of two 0.9 x 0.9 degrees fields separated
>> by 58 degrees onto a common focal surface. At any time, there
>> will be 4-5 stars in each field. Between these 16-25 pairs of
>> stars the exact angular distance can be measured. (The measuring

>> times, which means that the position of each of the 118210 stars
>> were measured several times with the Sun in different positions.
>> 
>> The Hipparcos satellite was in an eccentric 10 hour orbit.
>> (Which is a far cry from the geostationary orbit it was
>>   supposed to have, but even if the launch was partly
>>   a failure, the mission was very successful anyway.)
>> 
>> The raw data sent down to Earth as the measurements were
>> done were not corrected in any way.
>> 
>> http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Hipparcos_overview
>> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/payload
>> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos/data-reductions
>> 
>> And you still don't know, and never will.

>Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
>because of its finite height. Any telescope will have to be perfectly 
>aligned to some cosmic object if its readings are to be meaningful. Of 
>course Hipparcos needed reference stars...and lots of them....so that 
>appropriate corrections could be made to the raw data.

No, Ralph. It is obvious you didn't read (or understand) Paul's
description. It rotates scanning the sky in a narrow strip and the axis
of rotation slowly shifts so the next rotation overlaps the first but
isn't exactly the same as the first pass.  (Hey, John Sefton! Quick!!
A precessing spinny thing!!!)  As the axis of rotation slowly shifts,
eventually the whole sky is covered.

As you see, Ralph, the rotational axis is constantly changing, so no
need for reference stars.  The 8-10 stars being imaged at any
particular time are references for each other.

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#425401

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-18 08:58 +1000
Message-ID<okjfds$kfe$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425250
On 17/07/17 12:28, Michael Moroney wrote "I wish I had stuck with basket 
weaving. Physics is far too hard for me".


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#425281

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-17 09:53 +0200
Message-ID<okhqe0$mtp$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425232
Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
> 
> Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
> because of its finite height. 

No, I don't know that.
Would you elaborate, please?

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425402

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-18 09:01 +1000
Message-ID<okjfjs$kqq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425281
On 17/07/17 17:53, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
>>
>> Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
>> because of its finite height. 
> 
> No, I don't know that.
> Would you elaborate, please?

Oh dear! Paul doesn't know basic physics. He thinks that an object 
orbiting at radius x metres has the same period as one orbiting at 
radius x+1 metres.
...and this man used to teach the subject....



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#425468

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-18 16:25 +0200
Message-ID<okl5o5$pma$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425402
Den 18.07.2017 01.01, skrev HGW...:
> On 17/07/17 17:53, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
>>>
>>> Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
>>> because of its finite height. 
>>
>> No, I don't know that.
>> Would you elaborate, please?
> 
> Oh dear! Paul doesn't know basic physics. He thinks that an object 
> orbiting at radius x metres has the same period as one orbiting at 
> radius x+1 metres.
> ...and this man used to teach the subject....

Oh no, Ralph. You wont escape that easily!
Don't pretend you were talking about the orbital period.

The challenge was:
Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
because of its finite height".
  Why do you think the altitude of the orbit affects
the rotation of the satellite?


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425473

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-18 15:18 +0000
Message-ID<okl8rm$3b0$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#425468
"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:

>Den 18.07.2017 01.01, skrev HGW...:

>> Oh dear! Paul doesn't know basic physics. He thinks that an object 
>> orbiting at radius x metres has the same period as one orbiting at 
>> radius x+1 metres.
>> ...and this man used to teach the subject....

>Oh no, Ralph. You wont escape that easily!
>Don't pretend you were talking about the orbital period.

>The challenge was:
>Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
>because of its finite height".
>  Why do you think the altitude of the orbit affects
>the rotation of the satellite?

Maybe Ralph Rabbidge borrowed some bad ideas from Archimedes
Plutonium and is using Archie's rewritten Maxwell's Equations that
adds some sort of spin term to gravity?

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#425526

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-18 21:14 +0200
Message-ID<oklmm3$g2m$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425473
Den 18.07.2017 17.18, skrev Michael Moroney:
> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:
> 
>> Den 18.07.2017 01.01, skrev HGW...:
> 
>>> Oh dear! Paul doesn't know basic physics. He thinks that an object
>>> orbiting at radius x metres has the same period as one orbiting at
>>> radius x+1 metres.
>>> ...and this man used to teach the subject....
> 
>> Oh no, Ralph. You wont escape that easily!
>> Don't pretend you were talking about the orbital period.
> 
>> The challenge was:
>> Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
>> because of its finite height".
>>   Why do you think the altitude of the orbit affects
>> the rotation of the satellite?
> 
> Maybe Ralph Rabbidge borrowed some bad ideas from Archimedes
> Plutonium and is using Archie's rewritten Maxwell's Equations that
> adds some sort of spin term to gravity?
> 

My guess is that Ralph thinks "the natural rotation" of
a satellite is one rotation per orbit. That will be true for
most satellites of obvious reasons, but that is because they
are controlled to do so, not because it is 'natural'.

His following statement is hilarious (and revealing):

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge wrote:
"The larger the orbit, the smaller the natural rotation of
  the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it aligned
  to reference stars."

The larger the orbit, the less fuel is needed to prevent
the satellite from rotating. :-D

(To stay on a target a telescope in orbit will however have
  to "use fuel" (energy)  to compensate for the aberration.
  HST used reaction wheels.)

Hipparcos didn't have to "use fuel" to keep rotating,
even if it had to use energy to change the spin axis.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425544

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-19 09:45 +1000
Message-ID<okm6j4$vlg$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425468
On 19/07/17 00:25, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 18.07.2017 01.01, skrev HGW...:
>> On 17/07/17 17:53, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
>>>>
>>>> Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
>>>> because of its finite height. 
>>>
>>> No, I don't know that.
>>> Would you elaborate, please?
>>
>> Oh dear! Paul doesn't know basic physics. He thinks that an object 
>> orbiting at radius x metres has the same period as one orbiting at 
>> radius x+1 metres.
>> ...and this man used to teach the subject....
> 
> Oh no, Henry. You wont escape that easily!
> Don't pretend you were talking about the orbital period.

Are you under the impression that Hipparcos does not have an orbit 
period? Oh dear, this is becoming quite hilarious!

> The challenge was:
> Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
> because of its finite height".
>   Why do you think the altitude of the orbit affects
> the rotation of the satellite?

Oh dear! I cannot believe I am reading this...from a self proclaimed 
assistant professor of physics......(we call them 'tutors' here....kind 
of third rate academics)

Paul, I'll give you a chance to redeem your credibility. Send a metre 
rod into orbit and align it vertically relative to point A. When it 
returns to point A, do you think it will still be vertical?

Ask little mickey for assistance if that is too hard.....


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#425596

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-19 15:05 +0200
Message-ID<oknlf6$u4n$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425544
Den 19.07.2017 01.45, skrev HGW...:
> On 19/07/17 00:25, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 18.07.2017 01.01, skrev HGW...:
>>> On 17/07/17 17:53, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>> Den 17.07.2017 00.40, skrev HGW...:
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul, as you probably know, anything in orbit will naturally rotate 
>>>>> because of its finite height. 
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't know that.
>>>> Would you elaborate, please?
>>>
>>> Oh dear! Paul doesn't know basic physics. He thinks that an object 
>>> orbiting at radius x metres has the same period as one orbiting at 
>>> radius x+1 metres.
>>> ...and this man used to teach the subject....
>>
>> Oh no, Henry. You wont escape that easily!
>> Don't pretend you were talking about the orbital period.
> 
> Are you under the impression that Hipparcos does not have an orbit 
> period? Oh dear, this is becoming quite hilarious!
> 
>> The challenge was:
>> Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
>> because of its finite height".
>>   Why do you think the altitude of the orbit affects
>> the rotation of the satellite?
> 
> Oh dear! I cannot believe I am reading this...from a self proclaimed 
> assistant professor of physics......(we call them 'tutors' here....kind 
> of third rate academics)

Is there any particular reason why you won't answer?
Realized you blunder? :-D

The challenge is still:
  Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
  because of its finite height".

And I could add:
  Please explain the meaning of the statement:
  "The larger the orbit, the smaller the natural rotation of the object."

> Paul, I'll give you a chance to redeem your credibility. Send a metre 
> rod into orbit and align it vertically relative to point A. When it 
> returns to point A, do you think it will still be vertical?

(Wondering: is it really possible that Ralph still haven't got
  the point, or has he realized his blunder and is desperately
  trying to divert the attention from it by asking poorly
  defined questions?)

But OK.
I suppose the alignment means that the rod is not rotating,
and that the point A is at the ground in the orbital plane.

If the point A is one of the poles, the answer is yes,
else the answer is no.

> 
> Ask little mickey for assistance if that is too hard.....
> 

I have answered you question,
Will you answer mine, or will you keep fleeing?


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425632

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-20 08:51 +1000
Message-ID<okonp6$11is$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425596
On 19/07/17 23:05, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 19.07.2017 01.45, skrev HGW...:

> But OK.
> I suppose the alignment means that the rod is not rotating,
> and that the point A is at the ground in the orbital plane.
> 
> If the point A is one of the poles, the answer is yes,
> else the answer is no.
> 
>>
>> Ask little mickey for assistance if that is too hard.....
>>
> 
> I have answered you question,
> Will you answer mine, or will you keep fleeing?

You have not answered my question. You apparently don't even know why 
the question exists.

Paul, send two metal balls into orbit, one at x metres and the other at 
x+2 metres, where x+1 is the geo-synchronous orbit. Align them 
vertically over a particular point. Do they remain vertically aligned? 
No of course not! Why not, Paul?

Now, if they are connected by a rigid massless rod, the process becomes 
a little more complicated because they are not free to move as they 
normally would. The outer one's orbit speed is slower than the inner one 
so the rod will rotate asymptotically until both are traveling in the 
x+1 orbit, parallel to the ground, where they would remain if they were 
infinitesimally thin.

Replace the balls with a 2m diameter wheel. It will be seen to rotate 
relative to the ground...but will it rotate by more than, less than or 
exactly 1 revolution per orbit? Can you see the problem now, Paul?




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#425709

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-07-20 22:22 +0200
Message-ID<okr3e8$7b2$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#425632
Den 20.07.2017 00.51, skrev HGW...:
> 
> Paul, send two metal balls into orbit, one at x metres and the other at 
> x+2 metres, where x+1 is the geo-synchronous orbit. Align them 
> vertically over a particular point. Do they remain vertically aligned? 
> No of course not! Why not, Paul?
> 
> Now, if they are connected by a rigid massless rod, the process becomes 
> a little more complicated because they are not free to move as they 
> normally would. The outer one's orbit speed is slower than the inner one 
> so the rod will rotate asymptotically until both are traveling in the 
> x+1 orbit, parallel to the ground, where they would remain if they were 
> infinitesimally thin.

The rod will keep rotating with the retrograde rotation
you initially gave it.

> Replace the balls with a 2m diameter wheel. It will be seen to rotate 
> relative to the ground...but will it rotate by more than, less than or 
> exactly 1 revolution per orbit? Can you see the problem now, Paul?
> 

What problem?
The wheel will keep rotating with the rotation it was given
by the space vehicle that put it in orbit. If the initial
rotation is zero, it will not start a retrograde rotation
because "the top is moving too fast and the bottom is
moving too slow". Tidal forces are internal, there is
no external torque acting on the wheel which can change
its angular momentum.
(Given million of years the deformation caused by
  the tidal forces may lead to tidal lock, but this is
  utterly irrelevant for man made satellites.)

You have fled the challenge by irrelevant babble.

The challenge is still:
  Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
  because of its finite height".

  And please explain the meaning of the statement:
  "The larger the orbit, the smaller the natural rotation of
   the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it
   aligned to reference stars."

Are you seriously claiming that if you have a non-rotating
object in orbit, you have to "use fuel" to keep it from
its "natural retrograde rotation"?

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#425730

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-21 14:30 +1000
Message-ID<oks01p$58n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#425709
On 21/07/17 06:22, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 20.07.2017 00.51, skrev HGW...:
>>
>> Paul, send two metal balls into orbit, one at x metres and the other 
>> at x+2 metres, where x+1 is the geo-synchronous orbit. Align them 
>> vertically over a particular point. Do they remain vertically aligned? 
>> No of course not! Why not, Paul?
>>
>> Now, if they are connected by a rigid massless rod, the process 
>> becomes a little more complicated because they are not free to move as 
>> they normally would. The outer one's orbit speed is slower than the 
>> inner one so the rod will rotate asymptotically until both are 
>> traveling in the x+1 orbit, parallel to the ground, where they would 
>> remain if they were infinitesimally thin.
> 
> The rod will keep rotating with the retrograde rotation
> you initially gave it.

It was not given any rotation. Where did you get that idea? It is set 
vertically above a certain point on the ground.

>> Replace the balls with a 2m diameter wheel. It will be seen to rotate 
>> relative to the ground...but will it rotate by more than, less than or 
>> exactly 1 revolution per orbit? Can you see the problem now, Paul?
>>
> 
> What problem?
> The wheel will keep rotating with the rotation it was given
> by the space vehicle that put it in orbit. If the initial
> rotation is zero, it will not start a retrograde rotation
> because "the top is moving too fast and the bottom is
> moving too slow". Tidal forces are internal, there is
> no external torque acting on the wheel which can change
> its angular momentum.

Gravitational force acts on every unit mass in each half. It is 
insufficient to keep the top half moving at the speed of the wheel's 
centre. Every atom will try to move tangentially and the tangents on on 
side will be directed differently from those on the other because of the 
(notably small) curvature of the orbit.. Maybe the forces balance in the 
case of a homogeneous object but how about one that is not symmetrical?

The wheel is not given any initial rotation.

> (Given million of years the deformation caused by
>   the tidal forces may lead to tidal lock, but this is
>   utterly irrelevant for man made satellites.)

Don't try to change the subject...

> You have fled the challenge by irrelevant babble.

You still refuse to understand the problem. Maybe some actual figures 
might help.
Let a ball be sent into and orbit 10000 kms above the Earth's centre. 
Let another be sent into a 20000 km orbit in the same plane.
As you should know, if the bottom one is traveling at v, the top one 
will be traveling at v/sqrt2.
Now, at some point in time, when the top one is vertically above the 
bottom one, let the two be instantly joined by a (massless) rod (of 
infinite strength). What do you think will happen, Paul?

> The challenge is still:
>   Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
>   because of its finite height".
> 
>   And please explain the meaning of the statement:
>   "The larger the orbit, the smaller the natural rotation of
>    the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it
>    aligned to reference stars."
> 
> Are you seriously claiming that if you have a non-rotating
> object in orbit, you have to "use fuel" to keep it from
> its "natural retrograde rotation"?

I will await your answer to the above before I reply.

> 


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