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Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.

From "HGW..." <hgw@....>
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Subject Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.
Date 2017-07-21 14:30 +1000
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On 21/07/17 06:22, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 20.07.2017 00.51, skrev HGW...:
>>
>> Paul, send two metal balls into orbit, one at x metres and the other 
>> at x+2 metres, where x+1 is the geo-synchronous orbit. Align them 
>> vertically over a particular point. Do they remain vertically aligned? 
>> No of course not! Why not, Paul?
>>
>> Now, if they are connected by a rigid massless rod, the process 
>> becomes a little more complicated because they are not free to move as 
>> they normally would. The outer one's orbit speed is slower than the 
>> inner one so the rod will rotate asymptotically until both are 
>> traveling in the x+1 orbit, parallel to the ground, where they would 
>> remain if they were infinitesimally thin.
> 
> The rod will keep rotating with the retrograde rotation
> you initially gave it.

It was not given any rotation. Where did you get that idea? It is set 
vertically above a certain point on the ground.

>> Replace the balls with a 2m diameter wheel. It will be seen to rotate 
>> relative to the ground...but will it rotate by more than, less than or 
>> exactly 1 revolution per orbit? Can you see the problem now, Paul?
>>
> 
> What problem?
> The wheel will keep rotating with the rotation it was given
> by the space vehicle that put it in orbit. If the initial
> rotation is zero, it will not start a retrograde rotation
> because "the top is moving too fast and the bottom is
> moving too slow". Tidal forces are internal, there is
> no external torque acting on the wheel which can change
> its angular momentum.

Gravitational force acts on every unit mass in each half. It is 
insufficient to keep the top half moving at the speed of the wheel's 
centre. Every atom will try to move tangentially and the tangents on on 
side will be directed differently from those on the other because of the 
(notably small) curvature of the orbit.. Maybe the forces balance in the 
case of a homogeneous object but how about one that is not symmetrical?

The wheel is not given any initial rotation.

> (Given million of years the deformation caused by
>   the tidal forces may lead to tidal lock, but this is
>   utterly irrelevant for man made satellites.)

Don't try to change the subject...

> You have fled the challenge by irrelevant babble.

You still refuse to understand the problem. Maybe some actual figures 
might help.
Let a ball be sent into and orbit 10000 kms above the Earth's centre. 
Let another be sent into a 20000 km orbit in the same plane.
As you should know, if the bottom one is traveling at v, the top one 
will be traveling at v/sqrt2.
Now, at some point in time, when the top one is vertically above the 
bottom one, let the two be instantly joined by a (massless) rod (of 
infinite strength). What do you think will happen, Paul?

> The challenge is still:
>   Please explain why "anything in orbit will naturally rotate
>   because of its finite height".
> 
>   And please explain the meaning of the statement:
>   "The larger the orbit, the smaller the natural rotation of
>    the object and the lesser the fuel needed to keep it
>    aligned to reference stars."
> 
> Are you seriously claiming that if you have a non-rotating
> object in orbit, you have to "use fuel" to keep it from
> its "natural retrograde rotation"?

I will await your answer to the above before I reply.

> 


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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-15 11:04 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-18 16:25 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-21 15:04 +0200
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