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GPS Again.

Started by"HGW, DSc." <HG@....>
First post2017-05-27 06:49 +1000
Last post2017-06-05 00:49 +0000
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  GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-27 06:49 +1000
    Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-26 21:01 +0000
      Re: GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 15:49 -0700
        Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:20 +0000
    Re: GPS Again. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-26 15:50 -0700
    Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 17:58 -0500
    GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 16:14 -0700
      GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 16:38 -0700
    Re: GPS Again. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-05-26 16:25 -0700
    Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-27 00:18 +0000
    Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-26 19:51 -0500
      Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 10:37 +0000
        Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 09:57 -0500
          Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 20:52 +0200
            Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:17 +0000
            Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 15:23 -0500
              Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 22:53 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Ernest Schwanenflügel <erwm@wanenf.oa> - 2017-05-30 20:59 +0000
                  Re: GPS Again. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-31 00:42 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 19:03 -0500
                  Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 21:30 -0500
            Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 19:01 -0500
          Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:15 +0000
            Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-09 11:37 +1000
              Re: GPS Again. Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:32 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0500
                  Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 18:52 +0000
                  Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 09:23 +1000
                  Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:23 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:21 +1000
                  Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-10 10:42 +0000
                    Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 19:38 -0500
                      Re: GPS Again. Nými Icelulózy <ejienm@wzsfwe.ul> - 2017-06-16 11:30 +0000
                        Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-16 10:40 -0500
                    Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 11:11 +1000
                      Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 21:20 -0500
                        Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 12:31 +1000
                        Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 22:40 -0500
                          Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 23:20 -0500
                  Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 05:14 +1000
                    Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-10 22:16 +0200
                      Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 07:19 +1000
                        Re: GPS Again. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 16:11 -0700
                        Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-10 18:32 -0700
                          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-11 14:43 +1000
                            Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 07:50 -0700
                              Re: GPS Again. Lolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-13 20:56 +0000
                              Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:25 +1000
                                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 17:02 -0700
                                  Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:36 +1000
                                    Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 20:04 -0700
                                    Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:43 +0000
                                      Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 20:11 +1000
                                        Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 14:47 +0000
                        Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-11 22:35 +0200
                          Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 15:44 -0500
                            Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 18:03 -0500
                              Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 19:00 -0500
                                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:39 +1000
                                  Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 02:33 +0000
                              Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-11 22:42 -0500
                                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:27 -0500
                                  Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 04:47 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 08:20 -0500
                                      Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:18 +0000
                                      Re: GPS Again. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:06 -0700
                                        Re: GPS Again. Kotovanich Nzerovu <ivhvruo@wovewvw.ev> - 2017-06-15 17:30 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:15 -0400
                                      Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 22:32 +0000
                                        Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 20:48 -0400
                                          Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-13 01:52 +0000
                                            Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 19:57 -0400
                                              Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 00:46 +0000
                                  Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-12 09:58 -0500
                                    Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 15:08 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 10:37 -0500
                                      Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:21 +0000
                                        Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 17:40 +0000
                                          Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 18:05 +0000
                                            Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:19 +0000
                                              Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 19:16 +0000
                                                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 19:43 +0000
                                          Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:25 -0400
                                            Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 18:45 -0500
                          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 10:35 +1000
                            Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-12 11:05 +1000
                              Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:29 -0500
                              Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:12 +1000
                                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:54 +0200
                                  Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 12:47 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:13 +1000
                                    Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 12:59 +1000
                                      Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-12 23:03 -0700
                                  Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:22 +1000
                                    Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 13:00 +1000
                                      Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 13:32 -0500
                                        Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 10:09 +1000
                                      Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:34 +1000
                                        Re: GPS Again. Серг ио <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 18:42 -0500
                                          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:40 +1000
                                            Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:06 +0000
                                              Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 01:20 -0700
                                            Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 23:19 -0500
                                              Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 23:46 -0500
                                                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 20:07 +1000
                                                  Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-14 09:17 -0500
                                                    Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-17 08:26 +1000
                                                      Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-16 20:40 -0400
                                                      Re: GPS Again. Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 08:05 +0000
                                                        Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-17 22:20 +1000
                                                          Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-17 07:58 -0500
                                                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-14 17:06 -0400
          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-31 09:58 +1000
    Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-27 07:36 +0200
      Re: GPS Again. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-28 10:57 +1000
    Re: GPS Again. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 07:02 -0700
      Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-01 09:00 +1000
        Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 23:42 +0000
          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-01 19:36 +1000
            Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-01 05:33 -0700
              Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-02 19:51 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-03 05:10 -0700
                  Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 08:08 +1000
                    Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-03 15:27 -0700
                      Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 08:50 +1000
                        Re: GPS Again. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-06-03 19:37 -0700
                          Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 07:09 +0200
                            Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 16:06 +1000
                              Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 11:11 +0000
                                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 14:23 +0200
                                  Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 12:33 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-04 18:17 +0000
                              Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 05:06 -0700
                                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 12:12 +0000
                                  Re: GPS Again. anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 05:32 -0700
                                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 08:48 +1000
                                  Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 16:09 -0700
                                    Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 11:12 +1000
                                      Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 19:24 -0700
                                        Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 16:38 +1000
                                          Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-05 04:49 -0700
                                            Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 05:53 -0700
                                            Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-06 08:38 +1000
                                              Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-05 20:30 -0700
                              Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 15:00 +0200
                      Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 11:10 +0000
                    Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 13:25 +0000
                      Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 08:46 +1000
                        Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 23:13 +0000
                          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 11:16 +1000
                            Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 09:26 -0500
                              Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-06 08:46 +1000
                                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 23:17 +0000
                                  Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-07 10:11 +1000
                                    Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 03:04 +0000
                                      Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-07 14:58 +1000
                                        Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:17 -0500
                                          Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-08 09:06 +1000
                        Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-05 00:49 +0000

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#422199

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-06-10 22:16 +0200
Message-ID<ohhk28$6a5$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#422189
Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of wavelengths 
> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so GPS 
> now fully supports BaTh.
>
One of your better, Ralph! :-D

You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
Well done, Ralph. :-D

It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
and receiver" without using "ct".

But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
is done, will we Ralph? :-D

(The distance between two points on the ground can
  however be precisely measured by measuring the phase
  difference between the received carrier from  one satellite
  with known position. By using more satellites, the distance
  and direction of that distance can be determined. The two
  receivers must communicate (radio) to compare the phases.
  This is used in surveying, where one receiver must be
  stationary on a known reference point, and one movable
  receiver can determine the exact position _relative to
  that reference point_ to a few mm precision.
  This is the modern theodolite.
  This is very different from a common GPS receiver
  like the one you have in your car.)

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#422203

From"HGW, DSc." <HG@....>
Date2017-06-11 07:19 +1000
Message-ID<ohhnn2$1k08$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422199
On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of wavelengths
>> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
>> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
>> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so
>> GPS now fully supports BaTh.
>>
> One of your better, Henry! :-D

I cannot take credit for it...It wasn't actually my idea..

> You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
> no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
> your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
> Well done, Henry. :-D
>
> It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
> would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
> and receiver" without using "ct".
>
> But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
> is done, will we Henry? :-D

No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....

...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the 
wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It 
gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. The 
receiver's clock error must be corrected out as usual.

Acceptance of good old BaTh has improved the GPS accuracy immensely!

> (The distance between two points on the ground can
>  however be precisely measured by measuring the phase
>  difference between the received carrier from  one satellite
>  with known position. By using more satellites, the distance
>  and direction of that distance can be determined. The two
>  receivers must communicate (radio) to compare the phases.
>  This is used in surveying, where one receiver must be
>  stationary on a known reference point, and one movable
>  receiver can determine the exact position _relative to
>  that reference point_ to a few mm precision.
>  This is the modern theodolite.
>  This is very different from a common GPS receiver
>  like the one you have in your car.)

The 'base' idea is another issue...it is a good idea...

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#422205

Fromxxein1x1@gmail.com
Date2017-06-10 16:11 -0700
Message-ID<ec3ee46b-9ddf-41b1-8d86-27e01c262fb7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422203
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 5:18:30 PM UTC-4, HGW, DSc. wrote:
> On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> > Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
> >> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of wavelengths
> >> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
> >> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
> >> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so
> >> GPS now fully supports BaTh.
> >>
> > One of your better, Henry! :-D
> 
> I cannot take credit for it...It wasn't actually my idea..
> 
> > You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
> > no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
> > your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
> > Well done, Henry. :-D
> >
> > It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
> > would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
> > and receiver" without using "ct".
> >
> > But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
> > is done, will we Henry? :-D
> 
> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....
> 
> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the 
> wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It 
> gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. The 
> receiver's clock error must be corrected out as usual.
> 
> Acceptance of good old BaTh has improved the GPS accuracy immensely!
> 
> > (The distance between two points on the ground can
> >  however be precisely measured by measuring the phase
> >  difference between the received carrier from  one satellite
> >  with known position. By using more satellites, the distance
> >  and direction of that distance can be determined. The two
> >  receivers must communicate (radio) to compare the phases.
> >  This is used in surveying, where one receiver must be
> >  stationary on a known reference point, and one movable
> >  receiver can determine the exact position _relative to
> >  that reference point_ to a few mm precision.
> >  This is the modern theodolite.
> >  This is very different from a common GPS receiver
> >  like the one you have in your car.)
> 
> The 'base' idea is another issue...it is a good idea...

xxein:  Base?  Yeah.  Good idea.  Let's get rid of that pesky movement thing altogether.  Just set up enough bases so we can get local position measurements with just a flick of our meter stick and some simple add or subtract.  Shall we use polar or rectilinear?  As for time, with a base just a meter away, who is going to argue over 1/c seconds?  And whose business is it anyway?  We should eliminate the use of satellites and gravity too.  They just overly complicate things.  We won't have to count all those waves either.  Yeah.  Good idea.

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#422213

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2017-06-10 18:32 -0700
Message-ID<5c12decd-202a-457d-87da-6b7189d02386@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422203
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 3:18:30 PM UTC-6, HGW, DSc. wrote:
>
> On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >
> > It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
> > would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
> > and receiver" without using "ct".
> >
> > But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
> > is done, will we Henry? :-D
> 
> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....
> 
> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the 
> wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It 
> gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. The 
> receiver's clock error must be corrected out as usual.

Uh oh!  Ralph's time as a free man is about over, awaiting only a visit
from the feared Men in Black!  Divulving secrets is treasonous!

This ingenious technique of labelling each wavelenth needs just a simple
explanation of how one can put a modulation on a wave.  And how many bits
of data must each wavelength carry?  Enquiring spies want to know.

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#422222

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-06-11 14:43 +1000
Message-ID<ohihos$kek$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422213
On 11/06/17 11:32, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 3:18:30 PM UTC-6, HGW, DSc. wrote:

>>> But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
>>> is done, will we Henry? :-D
>>
>> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....
>>
>> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually
>> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the
>> wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It
>> gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. The
>> receiver's clock error must be corrected out as usual.
> 
> Uh oh!  Henry's time as a free man is about over, awaiting only a visit
> from the feared Men in Black!  Divulving secrets is treasonous!
> 
> This ingenious technique of labelling each wavelenth needs just a simple
> explanation of how one can put a modulation on a wave.  And how many bits
> of data must each wavelength carry?  Enquiring spies want to know.

Not every wave has to be labeled because the receivers approximately 
predict what is going to happen next. From what is disclosed, it appears 
that the phasing of the arriving signals is used for really fine 
positioning. The triangulation idea is only a preliminary exercise.

One thing is certain, the operators have finally realized that it is far 
better to estimate distances with absolute wavelengths than with the 
variable speeds of radio signals.

I could have told them that years ago.



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#422455

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2017-06-13 07:50 -0700
Message-ID<22116224-9dca-4dbd-97d2-540227288a14@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422222
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:43:10 PM UTC-6, HGW... wrote:
>
> On 11/06/17 11:32, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 3:18:30 PM UTC-6, HGW, DSc. wrote:
> > >
> > > ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually
> > > 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the
> > > wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It
> > > gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. The
> > > receiver's clock error must be corrected out as usual.
> > 
> > Uh oh!  Henry's time as a free man is about over, awaiting only a visit
> > from the feared Men in Black!  Divulving secrets is treasonous!
> > 
> > This ingenious technique of labelling each wavelenth needs just a simple
> > explanation of how one can put a modulation on a wave.  And how many bits
> > of data must each wavelength carry?  Enquiring spies want to know.
> 
> Not every wave has to be labeled because the receivers approximately 
> predict what is going to happen next.

Straw man explanation.  How can even ONE wavelength be "labeled"?

> One thing is certain, the operators have finally realized that it is far 
> better to estimate distances with absolute wavelengths than with the 
> variable speeds of radio signals.
> 
> I could have told them that years ago.

Pure lying dishonest baloney.

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#422481

FromLolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa>
Date2017-06-13 20:56 +0000
Message-ID<ohpjhr$1v21$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422455
Gary Harnagel wrote:

>> Not every wave has to be labeled because the receivers approximately
>> predict what is going to happen next.
> 
> Straw man explanation.  How can even ONE wavelength be "labeled"?

Of course it can, I label wavelengths all the time. You look like an 
Azerbaijani.

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#422494

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-06-14 09:25 +1000
Message-ID<ohps9d$dmm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422455
On 14/06/17 00:50, Gary Harnagel wrote:

>>> Uh oh!  Henry's time as a free man is about over, awaiting only a visit
>>> from the feared Men in Black!  Divulving secrets is treasonous!
>>>
>>> This ingenious technique of labelling each wavelenth needs just a simple
>>> explanation of how one can put a modulation on a wave.  And how many bits
>>> of data must each wavelength carry?  Enquiring spies want to know.
>>
>> Not every wave has to be labeled because the receivers approximately
>> predict what is going to happen next.
> 
> Straw man explanation.  How can even ONE wavelength be "labeled"?

It doesn't have to be. Only a few have to be labeled then the others are 
referenced from them. The receiver roughly knows the ones it wants to 
look at.

>> One thing is certain, the operators have finally realized that it is far
>> better to estimate distances with absolute wavelengths than with the
>> variable speeds of radio signals.
>>
>> I could have told them that years ago.
> 
> Pure lying dishonest baloney.

I realize it is hard for you to accept that I am right (as usual).



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#422500

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2017-06-13 17:02 -0700
Message-ID<4a1340a2-d767-4e24-b1a9-881133c0ddff@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422494
On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 5:25:37 PM UTC-6, HGW... wrote:
>
> On 14/06/17 00:50, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> >
> > Clueless Ralphie-boy wrote:
> > >
> > > Not every wave has to be labeled because the receivers approximately 
> > > predict what is going to happen next.
> >
> > Straw man explanation.  How can even ONE wavelength be "labeled"?
> 
> It doesn't have to be. Only a few have to be labeled then the others are 
> referenced from them. The receiver roughly knows the ones it wants to 
> look at.

Such labeling cannot be done without some kind of fast modulation, which
means that higher frequencies must be present.

> > > One thing is certain, the operators have finally realized that it is far
> > > better to estimate distances with absolute wavelengths than with the
> > > variable speeds of radio signals.
> > >
> > > I could have told them that years ago.
> > 
> > Pure lying dishonest baloney.
> 
> I realize it is hard for you to accept that I am right (as usual).

It's easy for me to accept truth and reality, which is why it's hard for me
to accept anything you say.

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#422512

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-06-14 12:36 +1000
Message-ID<ohq7fi$rs8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422500
On 14/06/17 10:02, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 5:25:37 PM UTC-6, HGW... wrote:

>>>> Not every wave has to be labeled because the receivers approximately
>>>> predict what is going to happen next.
>>>
>>> Straw man explanation.  How can even ONE wavelength be "labeled"?
>>
>> It doesn't have to be. Only a few have to be labeled then the others are
>> referenced from them. The receiver roughly knows the ones it wants to
>> look at.
> 
> Such labeling cannot be done without some kind of fast modulation, which
> means that higher frequencies must be present.

Well I'm not going to argue with a religious dumb-brained idiot with a 
closed mind. Just call NASA and ask them how they do it.

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#422516

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2017-06-13 20:04 -0700
Message-ID<823ddb1f-d076-4282-9719-2f53c4333bce@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422512
On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:36:39 PM UTC-6, HGW... wrote:
>
> On 14/06/17 10:02, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 5:25:37 PM UTC-6, HGW... wrote:
> > >
> > > It doesn't have to be. Only a few have to be labeled then the others are
> > > referenced from them. The receiver roughly knows the ones it wants to
> > > look at.
> > 
> > Such labeling cannot be done without some kind of fast modulation, which
> > means that higher frequencies must be present.
> 
> Well I'm not going to argue with a religious

Of course you're not, because you've already lost THAT argument.

> dumb-brained idiot with a closed mind.

You're projecting again.

> Just call NASA and ask them how they do it.

Geesh!  And you don't even know that NASA's not in charge of the GPS:

http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/

Just goes to show what a loser you are.  You MUST have a brain somewhere.
Where are you hiding it?

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#422533

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-06-14 04:43 +0000
Message-ID<ohqeuf$ttl$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#422512
"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>On 14/06/17 10:02, Gary Harnagel wrote:

>>> It doesn't have to be. Only a few have to be labeled then the others are
>>> referenced from them. The receiver roughly knows the ones it wants to
>>> look at.
>> 
>> Such labeling cannot be done without some kind of fast modulation, which
>> means that higher frequencies must be present.

>Well I'm not going to argue with a religious dumb-brained idiot with a 
>closed mind.

You're not going to argue with yourself, Ralph?  We all know you're 
insane, but we're glad you're not THAT insane!

> Just call NASA and ask them how they do it.

Ralph:

1) NASA doesn't operate the GPS;
2) Just because you dreamed up a hare-brained, kooky, impossible (without
   additional modulation at higher frequencies) idea doesn't mean that
   anyone else kooked up the same idea;
3) You can't put an idea that can't work into use!
4) The GPS works just great using GR and a fixed speed of light. So no
   need for any hare-brained, kooky, impossible idea of yours.

Ralph, we know that you came up with that in your desperate attempt at
saving your DirtyBaThWater.  Time to pull the plug on your bathtub and
find a better hobby than not understanding physics.

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#422546

From"HGW, DSc." <HG@....>
Date2017-06-14 20:11 +1000
Message-ID<ohr21l$394$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422533
On 14/06/17 14:43, Michael Moron-y let the world know he would love to 
be a really clever physicist just like me.

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#422557

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-06-14 14:47 +0000
Message-ID<ohri9f$eo4$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#422546
"HGW, DSc." <HG@....> writes:

>On 14/06/17 14:43, Michael Moron-y let the world know he would love to 
>be a really clever physicist just like me.

Ralph, delusional thinking like that is a *bad* sign! You need to see
a professional, right away!

It is extremely delusional to consider yourself a physicist, when all you
do is sit in an armchair, while completely plastered, stare at the ceiling
and mumble "aha!" once in a while.  It is also quiet delusional to photoshop
a fake diploma, and somehow consider its existence validating your self-
awarded "physicist" claim.

Too bad you won't see my advice, having plonked me (at least FOUR TIMES!)..
:-)

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#422272

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2017-06-11 22:35 +0200
Message-ID<ohk9j5$698$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#422203
Den 10.06.2017 23.19, skrev HGW, DSc.:
> On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of wavelengths
>>> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
>>> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
>>> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so
>>> GPS now fully supports BaTh.
>>>
>> One of your better, Henry! :-D
> 
> I cannot take credit for it...It wasn't actually my idea..

I think you are too modest, Ralph. :-D

> 
>> You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
>> no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
>> your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
>> Well done, Ralph. :-D
>>
>> It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
>> would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
>> and receiver" without using "ct".
>>
>> But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
>> is done, will we Henry? :-D
> 
> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....
> 
> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the 
> wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It 
> gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. 

Quite. Pretty obvious indeed! :-D

(Lurkers: No, he is not joking!)

-- 
Paul, still amused after all these years

https://paulba.no/

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#422275

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-06-11 15:44 -0500
Message-ID<ohka3d$1cai$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422272
On 6/11/2017 3:35 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 10.06.2017 23.19, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>> On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>>> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of wavelengths
>>>> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
>>>> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
>>>> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so
>>>> GPS now fully supports BaTh.
>>>>
>>> One of your better, Henry! :-D
>>
>> I cannot take credit for it...It wasn't actually my idea..
> 
> I think you are too modest, Ralph. :-D

>>
>>> You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
>>> no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
>>> your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
>>> Well done, Ralph. :-D
>>>
>>> It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
>>> would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
>>> and receiver" without using "ct".
>>>
>>> But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
>>> is done, will we Henry? :-D
>>
>> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....
>>
>> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
>> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the 
>> wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? It 
>> gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. 
> 
> Quite. Pretty obvious indeed! :-D
> 
> (Lurkers: No, he is not joking!)
> 

colors are also different wavelengths, so GPS wavelengths are color coded ?

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#422283

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-06-11 18:03 -0500
Message-ID<ohki8q$1oeo$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422275
On 6/11/2017 3:44 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 6/11/2017 3:35 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 10.06.2017 23.19, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>> On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>> Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>>>> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of wavelengths
>>>>> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
>>>>> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
>>>>> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so
>>>>> GPS now fully supports BaTh.
>>>>>
>>>> One of your better, Henry! :-D
>>>
>>> I cannot take credit for it...It wasn't actually my idea..
>>
>> I think you are too modest, Ralph. :-D

>>>
>>>> You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
>>>> no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
>>>> your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
>>>> Well done, Ralph. :-D
>>>>
>>>> It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
>>>> would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
>>>> and receiver" without using "ct".
>>>>
>>>> But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
>>>> is done, will we Henry? :-D
>>>
>>> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....

>>> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
>>> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of the 
>>> wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, eh? 
>>> It gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. 
>>
>> Quite. Pretty obvious indeed! :-D
>>
>> (Lurkers: No, he is not joking!)
>>
> 
> colors are also different wavelengths, so GPS wavelengths are color coded ?

no pupa,

GPS signals are "spread spectrum", they are all on the same frequency...

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#422287

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-06-11 19:00 -0500
Message-ID<ohkljn$1sl7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422283
On 6/11/2017 6:03 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 6/11/2017 3:44 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 6/11/2017 3:35 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 10.06.2017 23.19, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>>> On 11/06/17 06:16, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>> Den 10.06.2017 21.14, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>>>>> IN fact, GPS navigation now effectively uses the number of 
>>>>>> wavelengths
>>>>>> between satellite and receiver to determine distance rather than ct.
>>>>>> So that stuffs up all your dingleberry claims about GPS.
>>>>>> As I have been pointing out regularly, wavelength is absolute and so
>>>>>> GPS now fully supports BaTh.
>>>>>>
>>>>> One of your better, Henry! :-D
>>>>
>>>> I cannot take credit for it...It wasn't actually my idea..
>>>
>>> I think you are too modest, Ralph. :-D

>>>>
>>>>> You have now discussed GPS for decades, an have still
>>>>> no clue whatsoever of how it works. Your ability to keep
>>>>> your mind uncontaminated by knowledge is really amazing!
>>>>> Well done, Ralph. :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> It would indeed be very interesting to see how Ralph
>>>>> would count "the number of wavelengths between satellite
>>>>> and receiver" without using "ct".
>>>>>
>>>>> But we won't see the explanation of how that "IN fact"
>>>>> is done, will we Henry? :-D
>>>>
>>>> No we wont...because as Wiki points out, it is top secret....

>>>> ...but the answer is pretty obvious. Each wavelength is actually 
>>>> 'labelled' so that its number can be matched against the label of 
>>>> the wave received at the instant the second one was sent....simple, 
>>>> eh? It gives the number of absolute wavelengths in the signal directly. 
>>>
>>> Quite. Pretty obvious indeed! :-D
>>>
>>> (Lurkers: No, he is not joking!)
>>>
>>
>> colors are also different wavelengths, so GPS wavelengths are color 
>> coded ?
> 
> no pupa,
> 
> GPS signals are "spread spectrum", they are all on the same frequency...

Новини
у Києві
12 червня, понеділок 02:58

     Стали відомі результати екзит-полів на виборах у Франції
     Пуерто-Рико може стати 51-м штатом США
     Трамп злякався протестів і відклав візит до Британії

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#422298

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-06-12 11:39 +1000
Message-ID<ohkrcu$32m$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422287
On 12/06/17 10:00, Serg io wrote:
> On 6/11/2017 6:03 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 6/11/2017 3:44 PM, Serg io wrote:

>>
>> no pupa,
>>
>> GPS signals are "spread spectrum", they are all on the same frequency...
> 
> Новини
> у Києві
> 12 червня, понеділок 02:58
> 
>      Стали відомі результати екзит-полів на виборах у Франції
>      Пуерто-Рико може стати 51-м штатом США
>      Трамп злякався протестів і відклав візит до Британії

gagggdjglkg  hldjfljs alds sdlpwgw wfwnw xczmnskjdv
adcdsv  sdv;ss ssf s bbdddb ssssb ght
> 


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#422301

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-06-12 02:33 +0000
Message-ID<ohkuhr$hn0$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#422298
"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>gagggdjglkg  hldjfljs alds sdlpwgw wfwnw xczmnskjdv
>adcdsv  sdv;ss ssf s bbdddb ssssb ght

Ralph! That's the most sensible post you've made all week!!

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