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| Started by | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| First post | 2017-04-02 09:11 +1000 |
| Last post | 2017-04-25 08:59 +1000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 554 — 39 participants |
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A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-02 09:11 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-02 00:46 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-03 12:07 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-02 10:14 +0200
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> - 2017-04-02 12:55 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-03 12:02 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-03 10:04 +0200
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-03 14:36 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-03 08:47 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-03 12:44 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 15:28 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> - 2017-04-03 22:09 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-03 23:11 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> - 2017-04-03 22:04 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-03 17:12 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. sdru.product@gmail.com - 2017-04-03 16:44 -0700
non-coordinate basis (was: Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries.) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-04 21:28 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-05 20:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 08:38 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-06 09:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 18:56 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-07 21:57 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-10 11:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 08:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 07:51 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 07:35 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:46 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-12 21:39 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:30 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 09:38 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 02:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:56 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-16 08:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-16 09:49 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:22 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-17 11:07 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 08:55 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-18 10:22 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:28 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-19 09:51 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 09:39 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-20 17:24 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-22 05:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 09:43 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-22 20:19 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 08:57 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-23 21:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 18:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-24 05:31 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-24 05:58 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Lintervallen Ruther <rt@lweaevte.ri> - 2017-04-24 06:01 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 17:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 16:30 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-26 09:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 21:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:14 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 01:23 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-29 08:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-29 14:00 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 09:34 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:55 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 09:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 13:58 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:33 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:12 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 17:25 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 19:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 11:40 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:41 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:05 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:03 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-05 10:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:03 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-06 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:00 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 15:20 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 15:59 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-06 09:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:01 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:02 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-11 11:02 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-11 19:58 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Jean-Pierre Framboise <nctede@pmdcehr.cc> - 2017-05-11 19:25 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-12 11:31 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-11 18:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-13 07:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 16:56 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-13 09:47 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:29 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-14 07:43 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-13 02:39 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:32 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-14 07:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 00:13 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-16 19:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 05:34 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 20:39 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:32 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:33 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-26 15:23 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-27 09:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-27 13:44 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:32 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-19 15:30 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 13:27 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:07 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 21:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Heki Entouba <buububu@enou3eh.ac> - 2017-04-13 20:34 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 10:42 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 14:34 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:53 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 14:39 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 17:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 15:28 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 15:31 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:56 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 23:26 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:47 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-14 03:55 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 10:38 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 10:57 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 17:08 +0000
"How nature works" vs model making Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 21:58 -0500
Re: "How nature works" vs model making mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-26 22:48 -0700
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-28 14:18 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 06:40 -0700
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-28 20:49 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 14:55 -0700
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-29 21:42 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-27 20:28 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 09:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 17:07 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 14:01 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 19:25 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 20:01 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 18:07 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-20 14:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-21 14:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Ubet Hitaosi <suetsu@tooube.ic> - 2017-04-21 21:39 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 23:43 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Ubet Hitaosi <suetsu@tooube.ic> - 2017-04-21 22:03 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-22 01:08 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-24 15:42 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 18:37 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:35 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 20:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 07:38 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 08:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-06 09:21 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 18:45 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-07 05:52 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 15:06 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-07 06:21 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 15:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-07 09:05 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 07:27 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-07 06:32 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-08 09:06 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-07 20:28 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 09:17 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-08 20:19 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:37 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-08 09:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 18:12 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-08 10:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 19:44 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 09:23 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-04-09 01:35 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 11:04 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 13:39 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Kimberli Mafalda Rotenberry <uetbbe@werrirroeb.ie> - 2017-04-09 19:19 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:39 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 08:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Jolie Osokuro <uuol@oowo.ou> - 2017-04-10 17:03 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 08:55 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Jolie Osokuro <uuol@oowo.ou> - 2017-04-11 11:23 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 07:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:46 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 08:11 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-10 06:18 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 09:03 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 07:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 08:06 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-11 15:41 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:45 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:40 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:00 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-04-14 01:45 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 08:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-14 16:19 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 12:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-17 12:36 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 07:27 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 18:53 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:38 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 10:44 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-17 12:31 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-18 01:30 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 14:33 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:42 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-12 12:36 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 17:15 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-12 21:44 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 20:16 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 17:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 17:28 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:11 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 18:24 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-18 01:34 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 20:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 09:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-19 15:35 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 13:58 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-20 08:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 11:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-20 06:06 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 09:44 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 10:43 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 21:28 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis physics.interuptus@gmail.com - 2017-04-20 14:00 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 09:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:45 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 13:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 08:12 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 08:42 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 09:07 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-10 17:18 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 10:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-10 18:36 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 08:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-11 15:44 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 10:36 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-12 04:21 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-12 04:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-12 21:37 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-13 08:58 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 00:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 09:40 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 15:27 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 06:32 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 09:12 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 20:59 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 13:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:57 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 23:12 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 11:36 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 13:33 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-15 12:10 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 14:14 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Iwakitok Yuu <yauuu@ikwuo.wk> - 2017-04-15 12:58 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 21:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 08:17 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 13:48 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 08:18 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 10:10 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 00:10 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:41 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 23:40 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 09:30 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 10:33 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 10:59 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-16 02:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 14:39 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 08:41 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 10:14 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-17 05:55 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 16:13 +0100
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Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 16:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-18 06:25 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 14:25 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 17:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 15:24 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 17:57 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 18:13 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-19 04:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 00:14 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:55 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 23:37 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 00:55 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 09:20 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 10:31 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 22:02 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-20 08:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 17:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 11:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 10:01 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-20 17:32 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-21 10:43 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 11:13 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:30 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 14:19 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 09:47 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 09:07 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-26 09:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 22:02 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-27 09:26 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 22:22 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-27 20:21 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:27 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 09:41 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-29 10:46 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 13:16 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-29 21:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-29 22:58 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-30 10:23 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 08:37 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 20:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 17:45 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-01 13:29 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 21:31 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-01 23:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:42 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:23 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:47 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:42 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-02 20:38 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 07:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 18:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 17:43 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-07 10:25 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:37 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-10 21:17 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Jean-Pierre Framboise <nctede@pmdcehr.cc> - 2017-05-10 20:44 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-06 08:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-07 11:47 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 00:40 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 03:17 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-08 10:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 13:56 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 17:43 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:56 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-07 10:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-07 12:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 17:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-08 11:00 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 21:03 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 12:13 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-08 06:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:23 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Lissa Hermes <isussui@aeawwih.es> - 2017-05-09 11:14 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-09 04:28 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-08 09:40 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:56 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-10 17:59 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:08 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 07:39 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-10 17:50 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-11 10:23 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-12 02:47 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-11 11:23 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-13 10:23 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-13 19:43 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-10 20:50 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-11 10:26 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-10 18:12 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-11 10:56 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-12 02:46 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-13 20:02 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-14 07:55 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-14 10:29 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-14 20:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-15 13:42 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-16 20:06 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:31 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-17 08:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 02:38 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-17 22:28 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 10:51 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-18 17:39 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-19 09:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-17 11:16 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 04:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-17 21:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 05:26 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-17 05:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-17 11:17 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-17 22:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-17 11:03 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-01 23:00 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:07 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 09:38 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:37 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:49 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 08:02 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 19:01 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Himère Bezuinig <numunenen@wgngiweig.mc> - 2017-04-30 11:28 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-30 16:04 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:52 -0500
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Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 09:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:36 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-29 10:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 10:02 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-30 20:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 20:21 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 04:42 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-01 14:04 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 20:57 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-02 19:36 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 08:32 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 18:20 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:10 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:18 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 21:10 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-02 19:52 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 19:12 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-03 04:16 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-03 15:36 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 19:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-03 15:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:18 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 17:24 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 19:22 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-04 04:30 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-05 10:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-04 19:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:39 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-03 15:29 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 22:07 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:30 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 01:39 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-29 08:52 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-28 16:11 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 20:31 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:27 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-01 17:54 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:56 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 13:54 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:55 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:14 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 17:23 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 19:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:38 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-05 10:39 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:27 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-06 09:11 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:00 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:57 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:17 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 07:45 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-09 09:47 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 08:45 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Ubet Hitaosi <suetsu@tooube.ic> - 2017-04-21 17:53 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:22 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:28 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 11:31 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 09:49 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 17:13 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 10:55 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 08:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:19 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 18:34 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 22:25 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:17 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:32 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 09:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-26 09:26 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 22:02 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-18 23:02 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 11:13 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 13:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 08:49 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-16 11:24 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 18:46 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Okoto Laki <tuuuknu@wnoowow.to> - 2017-04-16 18:16 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 10:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 10:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-13 13:55 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:46 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 11:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 18:49 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:15 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 18:30 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 17:34 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-16 11:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 18:48 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Okoto Laki <tuuuknu@wnoowow.to> - 2017-04-16 18:40 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 18:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 18:59 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 08:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-11 20:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 09:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 18:26 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-12 18:46 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 05:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 05:26 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 20:36 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-13 19:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 23:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 10:43 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-14 03:29 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-21 18:59 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 11:17 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 11:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 22:08 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:18 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-09 09:28 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis sdru.product@gmail.com - 2017-04-06 12:57 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 15:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-07 22:25 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-04 14:23 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-04 15:38 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-05 19:58 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-05 14:55 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-06 08:45 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-07 22:37 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 09:37 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-22 20:29 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-22 04:58 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 10:10 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-23 10:14 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 08:51 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-24 14:50 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 08:59 +1000
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 09:11 +1000 |
| Subject | A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. |
| Message-ID | <obpc2s$1vqi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with its axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in the inertial frame of the apparatus. This requires that they depart from the splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational speed. By the same reasoning, the beams move at c in the inertial frame of the Earth, and therefore must depart from the mirror at c+0.465 and c-0.465, where 0.465 is the rotational speed of the Earth, in km/s. As well, the apparatus is moving at 30 km/s in the inertial frame of the SUN...so the question is, how do the beams 'know' not to leave the mirror at c+dv+30.465 and c-dv-30.465? --
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 00:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <obphle$9n7$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #414774 |
"HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> writes: >Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with >its axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. >According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in >the inertial frame of the apparatus. This requires that they depart from >the splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational >speed. No, Ralph, they didn't say that, nor would they. As you know, the relativistic velocity addition formula is V=(u+v)/(1+uv/c^2). Now, Ralph, for the situation you mention, we have dv as the speed of the apparatus and u as c, for light leaving the splitter at c relative to the splitter. So we have V=(c+dv)/(1+dv*c/c^2) which simplifies to (c+dv)/(1+dv/c) which can be rewritten as c(dv/c+1)/(1+dv/c) which simplifies to -- tada! -- c! So even though the light leaves the splitter at c relative to the splitter, it is received at c relative to the receiver! See how cool that is, Ralph?
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 12:07 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <obsaps$cdu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #414778 |
On 02/04/17 10:46, Michael Moroney wrote: > "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> writes: > >> Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with >> its axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. > >> According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in >> the inertial frame of the apparatus. This requires that they depart from >> the splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational >> speed. > > No, Henry, they didn't say that, nor would they. > > As you know, the relativistic velocity addition formula is > > V=(u+v)/(1+uv/c^2). > > Now, Henry, for the situation you mention, we have dv as the speed of the > apparatus and u as c, for light leaving the splitter at c relative to the > splitter. So we have V=(c+dv)/(1+dv*c/c^2) which simplifies to > (c+dv)/(1+dv/c) which can be rewritten as c(dv/c+1)/(1+dv/c) which > simplifies to -- tada! -- c! So even though the light leaves the splitter > at c relative to the splitter, it is received at c relative to the > receiver! See how cool that is, Henry? Oh look! Mickey Moron has discovered how to use circular logic! Let w always equal c by postulate. w = c = c(c+v)/(c+v) = (c+v)/(1+vc/c^2) = c = w. Very good Mickey..you're improving! --
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 10:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <obqbto$ru3$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #414774 |
Den 02.04.2017 01.11, skrev HGW... DSc.: > Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with > its axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. > > According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in > the inertial frame of the apparatus. This requires that they depart from > the splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational > speed. > > By the same reasoning, the beams move at c in the inertial frame of the > Earth, and therefore must depart from the mirror at c+0.465 and c-0.465, > where 0.465 is the rotational speed of the Earth, in km/s. > > As well, the apparatus is moving at 30 km/s in the inertial frame of the > SUN...so the question is, how do the beams 'know' not to leave the > mirror at c+dv+30.465 and c-dv-30.465? Ralph, you are talking nonsese because according to experimental evidence, the speed of light in vacuum is invariant. A few of the many experiments that falsify theories where the speed of light is not invariant: A. A. Michelson: EFFECT OF REFLECTION FROM A MOVING MIRROR ON THE VELOCITY OF LIGHT https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf C. G. Babcock and T. G. Bergman: Determination of the Constancy of the Speed of Light https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf T. Alväger, F.J.M. Farley, J. Kjellman and I. Wallin: TEST OF THE SECOND POSTULATE OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY IN THE GeV REGION https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf P. Beckmann and P. Mandics: Test of the Constancy of the Velocity of Electromagnetic Radiation in High Vacuum https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf T. A. Filippas and J. G. Fox: Velocity of Gamma Rays from a Moving Source https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf K. Brecher: Is the Speed of Light Independent of the Velocity of the Source? https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf Ralph, it's pretty stupid to claim that Nature can't behave as she factually does just because you don't understand how she does it! -- Paul https://paulba.no/
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| From | Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 12:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <obqsb3$1t9v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #414795 |
Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Ralph, you are talking nonsese because according to experimental > evidence, the speed of light in vacuum is invariant. N, it's not. It directly depends on the permittivity and permeability of that vacuum. Ralph is perfectly right. You are talking nonsense.
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 12:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <obsaeu$c2k$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #414795 |
On 02/04/17 18:14, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 02.04.2017 01.11, skrev HGW... DSc.: >> Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with >> its axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. >> >> According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in >> the inertial frame of the apparatus. This requires that they depart from >> the splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational >> speed. >> >> By the same reasoning, the beams move at c in the inertial frame of the >> Earth, and therefore must depart from the mirror at c+0.465 and c-0.465, >> where 0.465 is the rotational speed of the Earth, in km/s. >> >> As well, the apparatus is moving at 30 km/s in the inertial frame of the >> SUN...so the question is, how do the beams 'know' not to leave the >> mirror at c+dv+30.465 and c-dv-30.465? > > Henry, you are talking nonsese because > according to experimental evidence, > the speed of light in vacuum is invariant. > > A few of the many experiments that falsify theories > where the speed of light is not invariant: <silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. > K. Brecher: > Is the Speed of Light Independent of the Velocity of the Source? > https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf > > Henry, it's pretty stupid to claim that Nature can't behave > as she factually does just because you don't understand how > she does it! Maybe you didn't understand the question. I'll put it another way. According to you and the other hoaxer Einstein, a signal from a GPS clock moves at c relative to the Earth's ECI frame....signals emitted in opposite directions from a similar clock orbiting the equator would depart from the clock at c+/-3770 m/s, as viewed by a third observer. Why doesn't it move at c relative to the SUN's ECI frame and depart at c+/-30500 m/s? Please try to answer the question rather than change the subject. --
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 10:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <obsvn5$oq3$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #414879 |
Den 03.04.2017 04.02, skrev HGW... DSc.: > On 02/04/17 18:14, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Den 02.04.2017 01.11, skrev HGW... DSc.: >>> Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with >>> its axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. >>> >>> According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in >>> the inertial frame of the apparatus. This requires that they depart from >>> the splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational >>> speed. >>> >>> By the same reasoning, the beams move at c in the inertial frame of the >>> Earth, and therefore must depart from the mirror at c+0.465 and c-0.465, >>> where 0.465 is the rotational speed of the Earth, in km/s. >>> >>> As well, the apparatus is moving at 30 km/s in the inertial frame of the >>> SUN...so the question is, how do the beams 'know' not to leave the >>> mirror at c+dv+30.465 and c-dv-30.465? >> >> Henry, you are talking nonsese because >> according to experimental evidence, >> the speed of light in vacuum is invariant. >> >> A few of the many experiments that falsify theories >> where the speed of light is not invariant: > > <silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. Note that Ralph understands that the following experiments falsify his pet theory. Why else would he have to call them "faked"? :-D A. A. Michelson: EFFECT OF REFLECTION FROM A MOVING MIRROR ON THE VELOCITY OF LIGHT https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf C. G. Babcock and T. G. Bergman: Determination of the Constancy of the Speed of Light https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf T. Alväger, F.J.M. Farley, J. Kjellman and I. Wallin: TEST OF THE SECOND POSTULATE OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY IN THE GeV REGION https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf P. Beckmann and P. Mandics: Test of the Constancy of the Velocity of Electromagnetic Radiation in High Vacuum https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf T. A. Filippas and J. G. Fox: Velocity of Gamma Rays from a Moving Source https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf > >> K. Brecher: >> Is the Speed of Light Independent of the Velocity of the Source? >> https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf >> >> Henry, it's pretty stupid to claim that Nature can't behave >> as she factually does just because you don't understand how >> she does it! And it is pretty stupid to think that the experimental evidence will go away if you call it "faked". > > Maybe you didn't understand the question. > I'll put it another way. > > According to you and the other hoaxer Einstein, a signal from a GPS > clock moves at c relative to the Earth's ECI frame....signals emitted in > opposite directions from a similar clock orbiting the equator would > depart from the clock at c+/-3770 m/s, as viewed by a third observer. > > Why doesn't it move at c relative to the SUN's ECI frame and depart at > c+/-30500 m/s? > > Please try to answer the question rather than change the subject. > Are you so stupid that you don't understand the relevance, or are you just pretending? https://paulba.no/div/Is_c_invariant.pdf -- Paul https://paulba.no/
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 14:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <obtmkt$f9e$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #414879 |
"HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> writes: >On 02/04/17 18:14, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Ralph, you are talking nonsese because >> according to experimental evidence, >> the speed of light in vacuum is invariant. >> >> A few of the many experiments that falsify theories >> where the speed of light is not invariant: ><silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. Ralph, why are you so afraid of actually confronting those papers? Ralph, you just say they are "faked" or "wrong" but you simply can't point out a single reason *why* they are wrong. >> K. Brecher: >> Is the Speed of Light Independent of the Velocity of the Source? >> https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf >> >> Ralph, it's pretty stupid to claim that Nature can't behave >> as she factually does just because you don't understand how >> she does it! >Maybe you didn't understand the question. >I'll put it another way. >According to you and the other hoaxer Einstein, a signal from a GPS >clock moves at c relative to the Earth's ECI frame.... And every other inertial frame, Ralph. >signals emitted in >opposite directions from a similar clock orbiting the equator would >depart from the clock at c+/-3770 m/s, as viewed by a third observer. Ralph, why would you say something so foolish as this? Einstein said light moves at c relative to every inertial frame, so it would depart from the clock at c, not c+/-3770 m/s. >Why doesn't it move at c relative to the SUN's ECI frame and depart at >c+/-30500 m/s? Because light moves at c relative to the sun, Ralph. BTW, Ralph, the phrase "SUN's ECI frame" doesn't make much sense. Think about it, Ralph.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 08:47 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <30a9bb5b-386d-4e06-b80c-9b4938f5ef42@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #414932 |
W dniu poniedziałek, 3 kwietnia 2017 16:36:15 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał: > ><silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. > > Ralph, why are you so afraid of actually confronting those papers? > Ralph, you just say they are "faked" or "wrong" but you simply can't > point out a single reason *why* they are wrong. That's very simple, poor idiot: they're wrong because a bunch of idiots rejecting common sense(*) prepared them. (*)common sense: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/common+sense
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 12:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <5c004c8b-66fe-43a2-8020-9da9638ff79b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #414942 |
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-6, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote: > > W dniu poniedziałek, 3 kwietnia 2017 16:36:15 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał: > > > > > <silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. > > > > Ralph, why are you so afraid of actually confronting those papers? > > Ralph, you just say they are "faked" or "wrong" but you simply can't > > point out a single reason *why* they are wrong. > > That's very simple, poor idiot: they're wrong because > a bunch of idiots rejecting common sense(*) prepared > them. > (*)common sense: > http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/common+sense https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense "Common sense is neither common nor sense. There's not a whole of sound judgment going on these days" Wozzie-boy being a case in point.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 15:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <obub8k$tm$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #414962 |
On 4/3/2017 2:44 PM, Gary Harnagel wrote: > On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-6, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote: >> >> W dniu poniedziałek, 3 kwietnia 2017 16:36:15 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał: >>> >>>> <silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. >>> >>> Ralph, why are you so afraid of actually confronting those papers? >>> Ralph, you just say they are "faked" or "wrong" but you simply can't >>> point out a single reason *why* they are wrong. >> >> That's very simple, poor idiot: they're wrong because >> a bunch of idiots rejecting common sense(*) prepared >> them. >> (*)common sense: >> http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/common+sense > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense > > "Common sense is neither common nor sense. There's not a whole of sound > judgment going on these days" > > Wozzie-boy being a case in point. > Mistrust of common sense comes with education. Some people are willing to resist education just so they don't lose their friendship with the unreliable common sense. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 22:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <obuh7i$bqq$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #414967 |
Odd Bodkin wrote: > Mistrust of common sense comes with education. Some people are willing > to resist education just so they don't lose their friendship with the > unreliable common sense. I beg to differ. That's exactly how the world works, by common sense. Sort of inertia, without which the whole thing eventually would stop. Rejecting common sense is idiocy. People pass exams by using common sense, and only common sense. If it does not make any common sense, that's cheating, and you will fail miserably.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 23:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <e707b6b0-61e5-42de-abd2-7a46c54a6d33@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #414967 |
W dniu poniedziałek, 3 kwietnia 2017 22:28:08 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał: > On 4/3/2017 2:44 PM, Gary Harnagel wrote: > > On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-6, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote: > >> > >> W dniu poniedziałek, 3 kwietnia 2017 16:36:15 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał: > >>> > >>>> <silly list of faked experiments deleted> It didn't relate to my question. > >>> > >>> Ralph, why are you so afraid of actually confronting those papers? > >>> Ralph, you just say they are "faked" or "wrong" but you simply can't > >>> point out a single reason *why* they are wrong. > >> > >> That's very simple, poor idiot: they're wrong because > >> a bunch of idiots rejecting common sense(*) prepared > >> them. > >> (*)common sense: > >> http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/common+sense > > > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense > > > > "Common sense is neither common nor sense. There's not a whole of sound > > judgment going on these days" > > > > Wozzie-boy being a case in point. > > > > Mistrust of common sense comes with education. It depends on details of this education. Studying the work of an insane idiot rejecting common sense makes you distrust common sense; studying competent people directs you oppositely.
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| From | Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 22:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. |
| Message-ID | <obugt7$bqq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #414962 |
Gary Harnagel wrote: >> That's very simple, poor idiot: they're wrong because a bunch of idiots >> rejecting common sense(*) prepared them. >> (*)common sense: >> http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/common+sense > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense- is-neither-common-nor-sense > "Common sense is neither common nor sense. There's not a whole of sound > judgment going on these days" You can't even solve y=(x-1)(x+1)=0. You need a calculator.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 17:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4dydnYHPwbp3VX_FnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #414774 |
I don't know about "Dingleberries", but for people who understand SR this is indeed a hard question -- not because of problems applying the theory, but rather because it is so poorly stated. In short, you cannot possibly criticize SR until you UNDERSTAND what it says and predicts. Note: I neglect air throughout. On 4/1/17 4/1/17 - 6:11 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: > Consider a Sagnac interferometer located at the Earth's equator and with its > axis aligned to that of the ecliptic. OK. > According to Einstein and Paul Andersen, the speed of the beams is c in the > inertial frame of the apparatus. Hmmm. There is no "inertial frame of the apparatus", because apparatus is on the surface of the earth, and the earth is rotating and orbiting, etc. What we can say is that if we neglect the air, the speed of light will be c relative to the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame of the apparatus. To the accuracy required for the analysis of an apparatus up to tens of meters in diameter, this locally inertial frame will extend larger than the apparatus in space, and much longer in time than the flight time of the light around the interferometer. So one can use SR to analyze this interferometer with negligible error. > This requires that they depart from the > splitting mirror at c+dv and c-dv, where dv is its small rotational speed. This is not correct. And it is VERY poorly stated. What we can say is that relative to the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame of the mirror, the light departs at c. Normally when we discuss something "departing" from a mirror (or any other object), we reference to the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame of the mirror (object). Remember that speed and velocity ONLY make sense relative to a coordinate system, and the default is the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame. This seems to be HGW applying his personal "BaTh" and then attributing its nonsense to SR. Remember that to make a valid criticism of SR, you MUST use SR throughout the discussion. > By the same reasoning, the beams move at c in the inertial frame of the Earth, > and therefore must depart from the mirror at c+0.465 and c-0.465, where 0.465 is > the rotational speed of the Earth, in km/s. Nope. HWG is correct in that he did apply "the same reasoning", but that "reasoning" is NOT correct, and is NOT SR. What we can say is that relative to the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame of the mirror, the light departs at c. This is so even though the apparatus is rotating relative to the lab, the lab is rotating relative to the center of the earth, the center of the earth is rotating (orbiting) relative to the sun, the sun is rotating (orbiting) relative to the galaxy, ... Note it is impossible to enumerate all those possible motions and orbits. But by referencing to the instantaneously co-moving inertial frame of the mirror WE DON'T NEED TO. Moreover, we cannot possibly measure relative to the galactic center or any of that other stuff. > As well, the apparatus is moving at 30 km/s in the inertial frame of the > SUN...so the question is, how do the beams 'know' not to leave the mirror at > c+dv+30.465 and c-dv-30.465? Ditto. HGW is very confused (and did not even correctly combine the motions he enumerated). This is not at all about "light knowing how to travel", but rather about how speed measurements are performed. Neglecting the air, the light simply follows the null geodesic it finds itself upon. All null geodesics have the property that their speed relative to any locally inertial frame is c. IOW: when two different inertial frames measure the speed of a given light ray, their clocks and rulers are not parallel in spacetime, and their relative motion is expressed as a relative ROTATION in spacetime; the rotation between the rulers, and the rotation between the clocks, are PRECISELY what is required to make both measurements obtain c for the speed of the light ray. Bottom line: you cannot possibly criticize SR until you UNDERSTAND what it says and predicts. And you cannot apply ANY theory to such a poorly stated situation. Physics is subtle, and precision in thought and word is absolutely required; you fall far short. Tom Roberts
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| From | sdru.product@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 16:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cd67b583-1830-459d-bd82-f4c6eb172992@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #414978 |
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 12:13:04 PM UTC-10, tjrob137 wrote: > Remember > that speed and velocity ONLY make sense relative to a > coordinate system, and the default is the instantaneously > co-moving inertial frame. Do speed and velocity make sense relative to a non-coordinate basis?
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-04-04 21:28 -0500 |
| Subject | non-coordinate basis (was: Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries.) |
| Message-ID | <heWdnaHfY_y_y3nFnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #414997 |
On 4/3/17 4/3/17 6:44 PM, sdru.product@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 12:13:04 PM UTC-10, tjrob137 wrote: >> Remember >> that speed and velocity ONLY make sense relative to a >> coordinate system, and the default is the instantaneously >> co-moving inertial frame. > > Do speed and velocity make sense relative to a non-coordinate basis? Hmmmm. An interesting question, completely unrelated to the rest of this thread. At the level of detail required, "velocity" is ambiguous, so I discuss two quite different answers, both in the context of GR and differential geometry (the only context of physics in which "non-coordinate basis" makes sense). Note: a non-coordinate basis is called "anholonomic basis". Google will lead you on an interesting chase if you don't know what that means. It has a background I did not know. Also consider "Vierbein" / "frame field", a specific type. If "velocity" means 3-velocity, which is the only meaning for which "speed" makes sense, the answer is clearly: no (up to equivalence). Defining or measuring 3-velocity requires one to foliate spacetime into space and time, and that requires coordinates (or something equivalent). Speed is of course the norm of the 3-velocity. If "velocity" means 4-velocity, then "speed" is meaningless (a timelike 4-velocity always has unit norm, a null 4-velocity always has zero norm, and 4-velocity cannot be spacelike). In general, a 4-velocity is the tangent vector to a timelike or null worldline through spacetime. This is a geometrical quantity completely independent of coordinates or basis -- it can certainly be projected onto any basis, coordinate or otherwise, so here the answer is clearly: yes. But 4-velocity is a purely theoretical concept that cannot be directly measured; only its components can be measured, and such measurements are invariably relative to some coordinates (not just the basis, but the coordinates themselves). There certainly are manifolds of GR for which an anholonomic basis is quite useful in analysis; they are very different from the world we inhabit. If you had hoped for a short, simple, sound bite answer, sorry. There are very few of those in physics. Tom Roberts
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-04-05 20:54 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oc2ida$1jb9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #415143 |
On 05/04/17 12:28, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 4/3/17 4/3/17 6:44 PM, sdru.product@gmail.com wrote: >> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 12:13:04 PM UTC-10, tjrob137 wrote: > At the level of detail required, "velocity" is ambiguous, so I discuss > two quite different answers, both in the context of GR and differential > geometry (the only context of physics in which "non-coordinate basis" > makes sense). > > Note: a non-coordinate basis is called "anholonomic basis". > Google will lead you on an interesting chase if you don't > know what that means. It has a background I did not know. > Also consider "Vierbein" / "frame field", a specific type. > > If "velocity" means 3-velocity, which is the only meaning for which > "speed" makes sense, the answer is clearly: no (up to equivalence). > Defining or measuring 3-velocity requires one to foliate spacetime into > space and time, and that requires coordinates (or something equivalent). > Speed is of course the norm of the 3-velocity. > > If "velocity" means 4-velocity, then "speed" is meaningless (a timelike > 4-velocity always has unit norm, a null 4-velocity always has zero norm, > and 4-velocity cannot be spacelike). In general, a 4-velocity is the > tangent vector to a timelike or null worldline through spacetime. This > is a geometrical quantity completely independent of coordinates or basis > -- it can certainly be projected onto any basis, coordinate or > otherwise, so here the answer is clearly: yes. But 4-velocity is a > purely theoretical concept that cannot be directly measured; only its > components can be measured, and such measurements are invariably > relative to some coordinates (not just the basis, but the coordinates > themselves). > > There certainly are manifolds of GR for which an anholonomic > basis is quite useful in analysis; they are very different > from the world we inhabit. Readers note how when cornered, Tom Roberts resorts to expressing himself with the complex but meaningless jargon of the dingleberry, in the hope that his critics will be fooled into concluding that their arguments are without foundation. Tom, the game's up for you and Einstein. The joke has gone far enough and physics really needs to get back on the right track so some real progress can be made. Einstein's theory is wrong, In the world normal people inhabit, light is ballistic...so get used to it. > If you had hoped for a short, simple, sound bite answer, sorry. There > are very few of those in physics. > > Tom Roberts --
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-05 08:38 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oc2s00$7sc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #415176 |
On 4/5/2017 5:54 AM, HGW... DSc. wrote: > Readers note how when cornered, Tom Roberts resorts to expressing > himself with the complex but meaningless jargon of the dingleberry, in > the hope that his critics will be fooled into concluding that their > arguments are without foundation. Henry, do not suppose that just because you are unschooled and uneducated, this means that people who are schooled and educated are attempting to speak in code just to addle you and others like you. The NORMAL response to talk like this is to desire to learn what it means, rather than insisting it is an attempt to manipulate. You have a deep-seated insecurity about learning anything, and so your emotions whip up every excuse imaginable to avoid trying, because the fear of failure outweighs any glimmer of curiosity. You are too old to correct that, unfortunately, so your only recourse is to acknowledge your bindings and learn to live with their limits. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-04-06 09:24 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oc3ubd$9bf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #415187 |
On 05/04/17 23:38, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 4/5/2017 5:54 AM, HGW... DSc. wrote: >> Readers note how when cornered, Tom Roberts resorts to expressing >> himself with the complex but meaningless jargon of the dingleberry, in >> the hope that his critics will be fooled into concluding that their >> arguments are without foundation. > > Henry, do not suppose that just because you are unschooled and > uneducated, this means that people who are schooled and educated are > attempting to speak in code just to addle you and others like you. > > The NORMAL response to talk like this is to desire to learn what it > means, rather than insisting it is an attempt to manipulate. > > You have a deep-seated insecurity about learning anything, and so your > emotions whip up every excuse imaginable to avoid trying, because the > fear of failure outweighs any glimmer of curiosity. You are too old to > correct that, unfortunately, so your only recourse is to acknowledge > your bindings and learn to live with their limits. Bodkin, Roberts simply quotes exerpts from the doctine of the Einsteinian church when cornered. All religions use the same tactic in the hope that their critics will be overwhelms by the gullible fools who are impressed by the claims and promises made. > --
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