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  Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life paulymiller@gmail.com - 2016-12-01 15:54 -0800
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life patdolan@comcast.net - 2016-12-01 17:43 -0800
      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 09:25 -0600
      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 09:35 -0600
        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-02 19:36 -0500
          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-03 13:14 +0100
          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 08:29 -0600
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-12-02 08:59 +0100
      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-02 00:25 -0800
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-02 00:35 -0800
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-02 21:01 +1100
      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-02 13:33 +0000
        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-02 06:27 -0800
          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 06:41 -0800
          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-03 05:16 +1100
            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 12:25 -0600
              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 12:30 -0600
              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-03 03:10 -0800
              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-04 10:33 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-04 15:43 -0800
                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-10 09:42 -0800
                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-11 02:28 +0000
                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 19:03 -0800
                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-11 06:38 -0800
                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-11 07:25 -0800
                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-11 16:47 +0000
                          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-11 11:51 -0800
                            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-12 03:14 +0000
                              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-12 06:03 -0800
                                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 08:48 -0600
                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 16:18 +0100
                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 11:37 -0800
                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-13 22:01 +0000
                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-14 00:40 -0800
                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-14 06:51 -0800
                                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-16 18:45 -0800
                                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-17 07:04 -0800
                                          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-17 16:44 +0000
                                            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-17 10:58 -0800
                                              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Lauretta Nagle <uattea@aeuatte.au> - 2016-12-17 19:03 +0000
                                                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-18 06:20 -0800
                                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-18 07:53 -0800
                                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Jacquelyn Schiffer <euefhqheeoeeSfaJn@euefhqhee.eeSfaJn.eue> - 2016-12-21 19:52 +0000
                                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-21 12:00 -0800
                                              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-18 01:57 +0000
                                                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-18 06:30 -0800
                                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-19 05:08 +0000
                                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-18 23:10 -0800
                                                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-19 03:33 -0800
                                                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-19 04:08 -0800
                                                          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-19 06:58 -0800
                                                            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-19 08:22 -0800
                                                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-19 16:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-19 09:04 -0800
                                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-19 09:46 -0600
                                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-12 17:55 +0000
                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-12 11:34 -0800
                            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-11 19:21 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 16:23 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 08:32 -0600
                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 07:03 -0800
                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-10 09:39 -0800
                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Estrella Batey <yeaetl@sryeaet.org> - 2016-12-10 18:43 +0000
                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-10 11:24 -0800
                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Lauretta Nagle <uattea@aeuatte.au> - 2016-12-16 19:27 +0000
                          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-16 12:24 -0800
                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-11 02:52 +0000
                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-11 06:52 -0800
                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-11 16:56 +0000
                          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-11 11:34 -0800
                            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 08:20 -0600
                              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-12 07:37 -0800
                                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 10:30 -0600
                                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-12 18:00 +0000
                                  Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-12 11:49 -0800
                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 12:09 -0800
                                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-13 05:33 -0800
                                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-13 13:09 +0000
                                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-13 05:47 -0800
                                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-13 15:51 +0000
                                          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-13 12:20 -0800
                                            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-13 22:18 +0000
                                              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-14 07:01 -0800
                    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 16:56 -0600
                      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-12 03:27 +0000
                        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 08:38 -0600
            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-04 06:12 +0000
            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 11:35 -0800
              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-13 21:57 +0000
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-14 01:32 -0800
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-10 12:03 -0800
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-17 07:50 -0800
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-12-19 11:22 -0800

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#402193

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 2:03:34 PM UTC-5, Lauretta Nagle wrote:
> kenseto wrote:
> 
> >  But Einstein stated the
> >> aether cannot have the properties of motion.
> > 
> > Moron who care what Einstein said....his theory is a failure. The aether
> > can serves as reference for absolute motions. Like water in a fish tank,
> > it serves as reference for motions of the fishes swimming within it.
> 
> Excellent approach. How about fish in a river??

In that case you are specifying a moving aether....my aether, the E-Matrix, is a stationary aether.

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#402195

Kenseto wrote:
In that case you are specifying a moving aether....my aether, the E-Matrix, is a stationary aether. 

Stationary rotating Quantum Aether Matrix 
http://i57.tinypic.com/294ksba.jpg

https://sites.google.com/site/lordkronosprime/wes-johnson

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#402626

kenseto wrote:

>> > Moron who care what Einstein said....his theory is a failure. The
>> > aether can serves as reference for absolute motions. Like water in a
>> > fish tank,
>> > it serves as reference for motions of the fishes swimming within it.
>> 
>> Excellent approach. How about fish in a river??
> 
> In that case you are specifying a moving aether....my aether, the
> E-Matrix, is a stationary aether.

With respect to what? In other words, if you were stationary wrt that 
Aether, what else would you be stationary regarding at?

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#402628

Jacquelyn Schiffer
kenseto wrote: 

> the E-Matrix, is a stationary aether. 

With respect to what? In other words, if you were stationary wrt that Aether, what else would you be stationary regarding a

http://i57.tinypic.com/294ksba.jpg

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#402153

kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:44:05 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:

>> >So you don't know what "not even wrong" mean"? Go figure!
>>
>> Stupid Ken, "not even wrong" means a concept so absurd/ridiculous that
>> right/wrong doesn't express the absurdity correctly.  For example, you
>> claim the aether is stationary.  Saying that is wrong implicitly states
>> that the aether could be moving or something.  But Einstein stated the
>> aether cannot have the properties of motion.

>Moron who care what Einstein said....

Real scientists, and those interested in how the universe works do.
That excludes you, of course.

>My IRT theory is a failure.

There. I corrected your mistake for you.

> The aether can serves as reference for absolute motions.

There is no absolute motion.  Theory of RELATIVITY, remember?

> Like water in a fish tank, it serves as reference for motions of
> the fishes swimming within it.

Except motion in spacetime is nothing like that of fish in fish tanks.

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#402194

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:57:33 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:44:05 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
> >> >So you don't know what "not even wrong" mean"? Go figure!
> >>
> >> Stupid Ken, "not even wrong" means a concept so absurd/ridiculous that
> >> right/wrong doesn't express the absurdity correctly.  For example, you
> >> claim the aether is stationary.  Saying that is wrong implicitly states
> >> that the aether could be moving or something.  But Einstein stated the
> >> aether cannot have the properties of motion.
> 
> >Moron who care what Einstein said....
> 
> Real scientists, and those interested in how the universe works do.
> That excludes you, of course.

That's why there is no progress in frontier physics.....specifically after a 1000 years no quantum theory of gravity.

> 
> >SRT is a failure.
> 
> There. I corrected your mistake for you.
> 
> > The aether can serves as reference for absolute motions.
> 
> There is no absolute motion.  Theory of RELATIVITY, remember?

That's why SRT is a failed theory.....relative motion is born from absolute motions.....no absolute motion, no relative motion.

> 
> > Like water in a fish tank, it serves as reference for motions of
> > the fishes are space and time.swimming within it.
> 
> Except motion in spacetime is nothing like that of fish in fish tanks.

There is no spacetime in my model.....there are space and time.

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#402247

kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:57:33 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >Moron who care what Einstein said....
>> 
>> Real scientists, and those interested in how the universe works do.
>> That excludes you, of course.

>That's why there is no progress in frontier physics.....specifically 
>after a 1000 years no quantum theory of gravity.

Stupid Ken, I don't know what planet you are from where there hasn't
been progress in physics and they've been looking for quantum gravity
for 1000 years, but here on Earth, in the time since Einstein came out
with SR, we've gone from barely able to fly to spacecraft visiting all the
solar system's planets, men on the moon and from no electronics to 
sophisticated computers, ability to store the Library of Congress in a 
small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR) that can tell you your position
and the time anywhere on Earth to a high precision etc. etc.

Meanwhile IRT and Model Mechanics remain a failure with your book sales
countable on the fingers of one hand...

>> > The aether can serves as reference for absolute motions.
>> 
>> There is no absolute motion.  Theory of RELATIVITY, remember?

>That's why SRT is a failed theory.....relative motion is born from 
>absolute motions.....no absolute motion, no relative motion.

Yet another reason why IRT is such a failure - it depends on a nonexistent
absolute motion.

>> > Like water in a fish tank, it serves as reference for motions of
>> > the fishes are space and time.swimming within it.
>> 
>> Except motion in spacetime is nothing like that of fish in fish tanks.

>There is no spacetime in my model.....there are space and time.

And yet another reason why your model is such a spectacular failure...

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#402262

W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:

> small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR) 

A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
be able to work.

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#402271

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 12:10:51 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>
> W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:
> >
> > small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR) 
> 
> A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
> If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
> be able to work.

What a delusional liar you are!

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#402274

W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 12:33:06 UTC+1 użytkownik Gary Harnagel napisał:
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 12:10:51 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> >
> > W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:
> > >
> > > small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR) 
> > 
> > A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
> > If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
> > be able to work.
> 
> What a delusional liar you are!

Am I? Clocks used on GPS are according to your 
Shit "unproper". True or false?

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#402291

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:08:07 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>
> W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 12:33:06 UTC+1 użytkownik Gary Harnagel napisał:
> >
> > On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 12:10:51 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > >
> > > W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:
> > > >
> > > > small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR) 
> > > 
> > > A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
> > > If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
> > > be able to work.
> > 
> > What a delusional liar you are!
> 
> Am I? Clocks used on GPS are according to your 
> Shit "unproper". True or false?

You're trying to change the subject, dishonest fool, hoping to push your
deceitful agenda.  You aren't interested in learning truth, only in sowing
ambiguity.

“There’s only one person you’re guaranteed to spend the rest of your
Life with … yourself.  Don’t live the rest of your life with an asshole.”
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#402304

W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 15:58:51 UTC+1 użytkownik Gary Harnagel napisał:
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:08:07 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> >
> > W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 12:33:06 UTC+1 użytkownik Gary Harnagel napisał:
> > >
> > > On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 12:10:51 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:
> > > > >
> > > > > small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR) 
> > > > 
> > > > A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
> > > > If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
> > > > be able to work.
> > > 
> > > What a delusional liar you are!
> > 
> > Am I? Clocks used on GPS are according to your 
> > Shit "unproper". True or false?
> 
> You're trying to change the subject, dishonest fool, hoping to push your
> deceitful agenda.  You aren't interested in learning truth, only in sowing
> ambiguity.

You're trying to change the subject, dishonest fool, hoping to push your
deceitful agenda.  You aren't interested in learning truth, only in sowing
ambiguity.
And the truth is: if GPS treated your "proper" idiocies seriously, it 
wouldn't work.

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#402308

mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:

>W dniu poniedzia=C5=82ek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 u=C5=BCytkownik Mi=
>chael Moroney napisa=C5=82:

>> small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR)=20

>A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
>If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
>be able to work.

Too bad you are so deluded to think that. The first GPS satellite was launched
with what was essentially an "Einstein was wrong/Einstein was right" switch,
to switch between no GR correction and GR correction as predicted by Einstein/
GR.  They ran it with the setting at "Einstein was wrong" and did many tests
then switched in the GR correction and ran more tests, before concluding that
Einstein/GR was right and left the setting at "Einstein was right" for the rest
of its service life.

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#402310

W dniu poniedziałek, 19 grudnia 2016 17:38:16 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:
> mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:
> 
> >W dniu poniedzia=C5=82ek, 19 grudnia 2016 06:08:17 UTC+1 u=C5=BCytkownik Mi=
> >chael Moroney napisa=C5=82:
> 
> >> small box, a GPS system (dependent on GR)=20
> 
> >A lie, as expected from relativistic trash.
> >If GPS treated your Shit seriously, it wouldn't
> >be able to work.
> 
> Too bad you are so deluded to think that. The first GPS satellite was launched
> with what was essentially an "Einstein was wrong/Einstein was right" switch,
> to switch between no GR correction and GR correction as predicted by Einstein/
> GR. 

Too bad you are so deluded to think that.
Your Shit's MAIN assumption and the core
of your mad guru's revolution is - that proper 
clocks are unsynchronized clocks (these 
without any corrections).

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#402298

On 12/18/2016 8:30 AM, kenseto wrote:
> That's why there is no progress in frontier physics.....specifically after a
> 1000 years no quantum theory of gravity.

LOL. Anybody think that Ken is worth talking to after this comment?


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#401504

kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 10:14:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:

>> >the aether is not moving.....
>> 
>> "Not Moving" is a property of motion.  Stating the aether isn't moving is
>> in conflict with Einstein's statement that the aether does not have the 
>> properties of motion.

>Who gives a shit what Einstein said.....he is wrong and that's why I invented 
>Model Mechanics. The aether serves as reference for absolute motions for all 
>the objects moving within it.

So you admit that Model Mechanics conflicts with SR, so therefore SR cannot be
a subset of Model Mechanics or IRT or whatever.

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#401519

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 10:14:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
> >> >the aether is not moving.....
> >> 
> >> "Not Moving" is a property of motion.  Stating the aether isn't moving is
> >> in conflict with Einstein's statement that the aether does not have the 
> >> properties of motion.
> 
> >Who gives a shit what Einstein said.....he is wrong and that's why I invented 
> >Model Mechanics. The aether serves as reference for absolute motions for all 
> >the objects moving within it.
> 
> So you admit that Model Mechanics conflicts with SR, so therefore SR cannot be
> a subset of Model Mechanics or IRT or whatever.

No moron....I admit nothing of the sort. SR is incomplete. Model Mechanics is complete and includes SR as a subset. Gee you are stupid.

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#401433

On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 12:51:47 PM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 11:47:48 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> > But the aether does not have the properties of motion. Einstein didn't
> > say objects don't have the property of motion, he said the aether doesn't
> > have the property of motion.
> 
> Fucking idiot

"If you can't be interesting without profanity, then let's face it:  You're
not that interesting." -- Michael Hyatt

> the aether is not moving

NO!  The aether is not not moving.  Neither is it moving.  Get conscious!

> .....the objects within it are moving.

Moving wrt each other but not with respect to any aether.  Experiment
confirms that ALL objects are stationary wrt to any purported aether,
regardless of their motion.

> Fucking idiot.....X is moving within the stationary aether

Refuted by experiment.  Get a brain!

[Remainder of stupidity deleted for contagious possibility]

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#400800

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 12:33:53 PM UTC-6, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:25:12 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > On 12/2/2016 12:16 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
> > > On 03/12/16 01:27, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >> W dniu piątek, 2 grudnia 2016 14:33:09 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael
> > >> Moroney napisał:
> > >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Anyway, here's to the next 10 years guys!!
> > >>>
> > >>>> Idiot troll! Of course we understand it.
> > >>>
> > >>> No, Ralph, you are definitely one of those who do not understand SR
> > >>> even after 10+ years. For one example, you keep insisting that SR
> > >>> involves an aether even though Einstein explicitly disavowed the
> > >>> aether, he didn't use it, and you yourself just showed it's not
> > >>> needed for constant c
> > >>
> > >> Samely, you are. For instance, you keep insisting this shit is a
> > >> consequence of experiments. And about ether and your idiot guru, he
> > >> said:
> > >>
> > >> Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of
> > >> relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense,
> > >> therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of
> > >> relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space
> > >> there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no
> > >> possibility of existence for standards of space and time
> > >> (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals
> > >> in the physical sense.
> > 
> > Which was followed in the SAME PARAGRAPH by the following:
> > " But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality 
> > characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be 
> > tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."
> 
> Einstein is wrong.....the aether is stationary and every object in our universe are moving within it. This is shown in the following link:
> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > But of course, the art of truncating context is the heart of propaganda, 
> > isn't it?
> > 
> > >
> > > Moron-y and his fellow conspirators shudder and close their eyes
> > > whenever that quote of Einstein's appears. They say he must have been
> > > drugged when he said it. Moron-y has been posting to this NG for many
> > > years and has never once put together an intelligible scientific
> > > sentence. He is obviously a paid lackey of the Grand Conspiracy that is
> > > intent on retaining the unworthy name 'Einstein' as the world's symbol
> > > of genius. No wonder the Irish have been considered such a laughable
> > > race over the centuries!
> > 
> > Case in point. And the propagandist is not done....
> > 
> > >
> > > Einstein was a devious opportunist who merely plagiarized the theories
> > > of Lorentz and Poincare. His second postulate fundamentally relies on
> > > their 'aether' to achieve the source independence of light speed.
> > > There has never been even ONE believable experiment that supports his
> > > funny little theory.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


the aether is stationary and every object in our universe are moving within it

Kenseto is Victorious !!!!!!!!

http://i57.tinypic.com/294ksba.jpg

(((137036^4) * (6.67406745595e-11^2)) * 2) = pi


which looks Surprisingly like the inverse of Kinetic energy 

Ke = (m*v^2)/2 

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#400848

On 12/4/2016 12:33 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:25:12 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 12/2/2016 12:16 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>>> On 03/12/16 01:27, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>> W dniu piątek, 2 grudnia 2016 14:33:09 UTC+1 użytkownik Michael
>>>> Moroney napisał:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, here's to the next 10 years guys!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Idiot troll! Of course we understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Ralph, you are definitely one of those who do not understand SR
>>>>> even after 10+ years. For one example, you keep insisting that SR
>>>>> involves an aether even though Einstein explicitly disavowed the
>>>>> aether, he didn't use it, and you yourself just showed it's not
>>>>> needed for constant c
>>>>
>>>> Samely, you are. For instance, you keep insisting this shit is a
>>>> consequence of experiments. And about ether and your idiot guru, he
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>> Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of
>>>> relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense,
>>>> therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of
>>>> relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space
>>>> there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no
>>>> possibility of existence for standards of space and time
>>>> (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals
>>>> in the physical sense.
>>
>> Which was followed in the SAME PARAGRAPH by the following:
>> " But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality
>> characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be
>> tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."
>
> Einstein is wrong.....the aether is stationary and every object in our
> universe are moving within it. This is shown in the following link:
> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf

Whether you agree with Einstein or not is not really of interest. Nobody 
really cares what you think.

What matters is whether what you say about relativity is actually true.
When you say that relativity depended on a luminiferous ether, that is a 
factually untrue statement.

>
>
>
>>
>> But of course, the art of truncating context is the heart of propaganda,
>> isn't it?
>>
>>>
>>> Moron-y and his fellow conspirators shudder and close their eyes
>>> whenever that quote of Einstein's appears. They say he must have been
>>> drugged when he said it. Moron-y has been posting to this NG for many
>>> years and has never once put together an intelligible scientific
>>> sentence. He is obviously a paid lackey of the Grand Conspiracy that is
>>> intent on retaining the unworthy name 'Einstein' as the world's symbol
>>> of genius. No wonder the Irish have been considered such a laughable
>>> race over the centuries!
>>
>> Case in point. And the propagandist is not done....
>>
>>>
>>> Einstein was a devious opportunist who merely plagiarized the theories
>>> of Lorentz and Poincare. His second postulate fundamentally relies on
>>> their 'aether' to achieve the source independence of light speed.
>>> There has never been even ONE believable experiment that supports his
>>> funny little theory.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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