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  Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-27 20:09 -0700
    Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-27 20:24 -0700
      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 20:56 -0700
        Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-27 21:02 -0700
          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-27 22:45 -0700
            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-27 22:51 -0700
          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 09:52 -0700
            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 09:53 -0700
              Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 10:42 -0700
                Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-28 12:50 -0700
                  Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 20:49 -0700
                    Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-28 21:18 -0700
                      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-28 21:34 -0700
                    Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 09:32 +0200
                      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-29 13:28 +0200
                      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 09:16 -0700
                        Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 18:53 +0200
                          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-29 21:16 +0200
                            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 14:12 -0700
                              Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-30 14:06 +0200
                                Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Yudorki Zenkevich <ieii@hheiozed.dz> - 2023-07-30 12:38 +0000
                                Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 11:39 -0700
                                  Chez Watt (was Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-30 22:01 +0200
                                    Re: Chez Watt (was Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review) "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 10:12 -0700
                        Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-29 10:20 -0700
                          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-29 10:29 -0700
                          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 14:30 -0700
                            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 15:28 -0700
                              Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 15:37 -0700
                                Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-29 16:29 -0700
                  Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-29 22:41 -0700
                    Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 09:45 +0200
                      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-30 01:09 -0700
                        Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 10:27 +0200
                          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 14:31 +0200
                            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 06:57 -0700
                            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 08:44 -0700
                              Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-31 10:28 -0700
                                Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 11:43 -0700
                                  Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-31 15:14 -0700
                                  Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-31 15:24 -0700
                            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 08:58 -0700
                    Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-30 11:46 -0700
                      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-30 11:54 -0700
                        Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-30 11:55 -0700
                          Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-30 12:00 -0700
                            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-30 12:09 -0700
            Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-29 09:28 +0200
      Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-27 20:58 -0700

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#616329

J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Do find out what 'ethical hacking' means.
> Feynman was (as so often) decades ahead of his times,

where to download shit?

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#616340

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:06:43 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 12:16:41?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > On 2023-07-29 16:16:56 +0000, mitchr...@gmail.com said: 
> > > > 
> > > > > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 12:32:48╯AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden: 
> > > > >> On 2023-07-29 03:49:55 +0000, mitchr...@gmail.com said:> > [ ╜ ] 
> > > > >>> Feynman did something uncalled for himself. Were those other people> > 
> > > > >>> Americans your talking about?> > Just goes to show being a scientist 
> > > > >>> does not mean you are good in any way. 
> > > > >> Have you bothered to read Feynman's own account of the safe-breaking? 
> > > > > If he talked about it how can he make it acceptable? 
> > > > > It was not. 
> > > > 
> > > > I can make little sense of your reply but it seems to mean no, you 
> > > > haven't read it, but choose to rely on secondary sources. 
> > > It should be obvious from the original source 
> > > that what Feynman did in those long past days were things 
> > > that would nowadays fall under the label 'ethical hacking', 
> > 
> > How then can you justify it jan? Even Feynman could not make it right. 
> > He wanted only to whitewash it. And it still doesn't belong. And that will 
> > never change jan. 
> > What he did showed he was a failure and a fake.
> Do find out what 'ethical hacking' means. 

No crime is acceptable.

> Feynman was (as so often) decades ahead of his times, 

Feynman was a fake. He was a pervert instead....
Why do you defend him jan? It shows you are no good.

> Jan

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#616352 — Chez Watt (was Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review)

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> Feynman was a fake. He was a pervert instead....
> Why do you defend him jan? It shows you are no good.

File under: Being in good company

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#616420 — Re: Chez Watt (was Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review)

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:01:32 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Feynman was a fake. He was a pervert instead.... 
> > Why do you defend him jan? It shows you are no good.
> File under: Being in good company

But he is no good.

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#616265

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:16:58 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 12:32:48 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> > On 2023-07-29 03:49:55 +0000, mitchr...@gmail.com said: 
> > > [ … ] 
> > > Feynman did something uncalled for himself. Were those other people 
> > > Americans your talking about? 
> > > Just goes to show being a scientist does not mean you are good in any way. 
> > Have you bothered to read Feynman's own account of the safe-breaking?
> If he talked about it how can he make it acceptable? 
> It was not.
> > Is there any other original source, or just second-hand accounts by 
> > people with axes to grind? 
> > 
> > One must of course take Feynman's account with a pinch of salt, as he 
> > might have embroidered the facts a little, but if we believe him his 
> > aim was to get the administrators to understand that there was a 
> > problem with the sloppy way in which many people managed their 
> > passwords. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
Feynman was the ultimate showboat.  I still remember him--in the back row--of the Challenger Disaster Committee with his glass of ice water and his little ball of silicone  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raMmRKGkGD4

He was always a loose cannon and the chairman of the committee had to shut him down.

The ever supercilious Feynman gives an account of he and his son reading over some text book of the son's having to do with one of the soft sciences, and roaring with laughter at what he perceived to be the ill-defined terms of that particular science.  He hadn't the foggiest notion that his great love, mathematics, was a corrupted tool where even a Dolan can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that 1 = -1.

Did Feynman perform wonderful math?  Of course!  Who couldn't, using a logical mode of expression infected by the principle of explosion in which ANY proposition is deducible.  Don't believe me?  Ask me to demonstrate any equation, no matter how preposterous, either in physics or in pure math.  I DARE YOU.

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#616266

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:16:58 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 12:32:48 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> > > On 2023-07-29 03:49:55 +0000, mitchr...@gmail.com said: 
> > > > [ … ] 
> > > > Feynman did something uncalled for himself. Were those other people 
> > > > Americans your talking about? 
> > > > Just goes to show being a scientist does not mean you are good in any way. 
> > > Have you bothered to read Feynman's own account of the safe-breaking? 
> > If he talked about it how can he make it acceptable? 
> > It was not. 
> > > Is there any other original source, or just second-hand accounts by 
> > > people with axes to grind? 
> > > 
> > > One must of course take Feynman's account with a pinch of salt, as he 
> > > might have embroidered the facts a little, but if we believe him his 
> > > aim was to get the administrators to understand that there was a 
> > > problem with the sloppy way in which many people managed their 
> > > passwords. 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> Feynman was the ultimate showboat. I still remember him--in the back row--of the Challenger Disaster Committee with his glass of ice water and his little ball of silicone 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raMmRKGkGD4 
> 
> He was always a loose cannon and the chairman of the committee had to shut him down. 
> 
> The ever supercilious Feynman gives an account of he and his son reading over some text book of the son's having to do with one of the soft sciences, and roaring with laughter at what he perceived to be the ill-defined terms of that particular science. He hadn't the foggiest notion that his great love, mathematics, was a corrupted tool where even a Dolan can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that 1 = -1. 
> 
> Did Feynman perform wonderful math? Of course! Who couldn't, using a logical mode of expression infected by the principle of explosion in which ANY proposition is deducible. Don't believe me? Ask me to demonstrate any equation, no matter how preposterous, either in physics or in pure math. I DARE YOU.
Oh yeah, and he was a lousy bongo player too.

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#616290

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>  a Dolan can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that he's an utter cretin
> 
Yep

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#616295

On Saturday, 29 July 2023 at 23:30:04 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > a Dolan can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that he's an utter cretin 
> > 
> Yep

No, he didn't write it. Poor Dono is impudently lying,
as expected from relativistic scum.

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#616299

Oppenheimer and Feynman? The two were perverted.
It shows up in the movie.

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#616306

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:37:50 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Oppenheimer and Feynman? The two were perverted. 
> It shows up in the movie.
Abso-damn-lutely Mitch.  The man is shameless scum.  I personally watched as Oppenheimer had sex right in front of a congressional committee while they were shooting a movie!

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#616311

patdolan wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Feynman cracked the government saves containing the atom bomb design.
> > It shows he was willing to do something completely wrong just to get
> > away with it. Only in America would that be allowed. And it should not
> > have been.
> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs, Julius & Ethel who betrayed atom and hydrogen bomb secrets to the mid twentieth century czars of Russia.
> 
> In my capacity as the official movie reviewer of this forum, I pronounce two rotten tomatoes for Oppenheimer.  There was so much to say about him and the bomb.  Instead I spent 3 hours watching some meaningless story about some nondescript DC swamp creature's attempt to torpedo Oppy's security clearance.  Silly.
> 

Albert Einstein was very upset that they were arresting 'all his friends'.


I mean, Albert Einstein 'hand picked' every single one of them.

Albert Einstein first started to pick scientists who were all members of
a communist society group.

Then he made sure those 12 scientist dand picked other communists scientists, amd so on and so on.


Albert Einstein WAS the Master Spy.


Albert Einstein transfered *thousands* of atomic secrets to Russia.


More than anyone else.


The FBI simply wasn't that smart then...


This is all they had on him...

https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein

https://www.amazon.com/Albert-Einstein-Files-F-B-I-Vault-ebook/dp/B0B64W78C3





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#616314

On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:

> patdolan wrote:
>> 
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Feynman cracked the government saves containing the atom bomb design.
>>> It shows he was willing to do something completely wrong just to get
>>> away with it. Only in America would that be allowed. And it should not
>>> have been.
>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs,

You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only 
country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray" 
it.

-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#616316

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said: 
> 
> > patdolan wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves containing the atom bomb design. 
> >>> It shows he was willing to do something completely wrong just to get 
> >>> away with it. Only in America would that be allowed. And it should not 
> >>> have been. 
> >> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs,
> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only 
> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray" 
> it.
> -- 
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
Fuchs was not American, to be sure.  But all his thefts were committed on American soil, while earning American Dollars and being protected by same.  He betrayed OUR Bomb program--the same bomb programed that beat the German's bomb program.

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#616317

On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said:

> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:> 
>> >>> >> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, 
>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves 
>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do 
>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in 
>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >> 
>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs,
>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only> 
>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray"> 
>> it.
>> --
>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> Fuchs was not American, to be sure.  But all his thefts were committed 
> on American soil,

You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the 
case why did they bring him?

>  while earning American Dollars and being protected by same.  He 
> betrayed OUR Bomb program--the same bomb programed that beat the 
> German's bomb program.


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#616328

On 2023-07-30 08:27:24 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

> On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said:
> 
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7,
>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves 
>>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do 
>>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in 
>>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >> 
>>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs,
>>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only> 
>>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray"> 
>>> it.
>>> --
>>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
>> Fuchs was not American, to be sure.  But all his thefts were committed 
>> on American soil,
> 
> You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the 
> case why did they bring him?
> 
>> while earning American Dollars and being protected by same.  He 
>> betrayed OUR Bomb program

It wasn't YOUR bomb programme. You are -- typically for an American -- 
forgetting the essential contributions made by British, Canadian and 
refugee-German scientists, without which there would have been no bomb.

Fuchs himself made major contributions, but he was increasingly 
concerned by his realization that the USA was not planning to pass on 
any information to its allies, most notably the USSR, in the war 
against Nazi Germany. After the war the USA tried, with partial 
success, to exclude even the UK from any information about the results 
from the Manhattan project. However, as we know, the Americans defeated 
Germany without any participation by anyone else, so why shouldn't they 
keep the results to themselves?

In reality, of course, it was primarily the USSR that defeated Germany, 
something Hitler understood perfectly well when he placed 35 Divisions 
on the Eastern Front and just one on the Western Front.

On the other hand, I can accept that it was the USA that defeated Japan.

-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#616330

On Sunday, 30 July 2023 at 14:31:55 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-07-30 08:27:24 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said: 
> 
> > On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said: 
> > 
> >> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> >>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:> 
> >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, 
> >>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves 
> >>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do 
> >>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in 
> >>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >> 
> >>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs, 
> >>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only> 
> >>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray"> 
> >>> it. 
> >>> -- 
> >>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots 
> >> Fuchs was not American, to be sure. But all his thefts were committed 
> >> on American soil, 
> > 
> > You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the 
> > case why did they bring him? 
> > 
> >> while earning American Dollars and being protected by same. He 
> >> betrayed OUR Bomb program
> It wasn't YOUR bomb programme. You are -- typically for an American -- 
> forgetting the essential contributions made by British, Canadian and 
> refugee-German scientists, without which there would have been no bomb. 

Yes, poor halfbrain, it was THEIR programme.  Resulting
with THEIR bomb.

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#616410

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:31:55 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-07-30 08:27:24 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said: 
> 
> > On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said: 
> > 
> >> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> >>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:> 
> >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, 
> >>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves 
> >>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do 
> >>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in 
> >>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >> 
> >>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs, 
> >>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only> 
> >>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray"> 
> >>> it. 
> >>> -- 
> >>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots 
> >> Fuchs was not American, to be sure. But all his thefts were committed 
> >> on American soil, 
> > 
> > You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the 
> > case why did they bring him? 
> > 
> >> while earning American Dollars and being protected by same. He 
> >> betrayed OUR Bomb program
> It wasn't YOUR bomb programme. You are -- typically for an American -- 
> forgetting the essential contributions made by British, Canadian and 
> refugee-German scientists, without which there would have been no bomb. 
> 
> Fuchs himself made major contributions, but he was increasingly 
> concerned by his realization that the USA was not planning to pass on 
> any information to its allies, most notably the USSR, in the war 
> against Nazi Germany. After the war the USA tried, with partial 
> success, to exclude even the UK from any information about the results 
> from the Manhattan project. However, as we know, the Americans defeated 
> Germany without any participation by anyone else, so why shouldn't they 
> keep the results to themselves? 
> 
> In reality, of course, it was primarily the USSR that defeated Germany, 
> something Hitler understood perfectly well when he placed 35 Divisions 
> on the Eastern Front and just one on the Western Front. 
> 
> On the other hand, I can accept that it was the USA that defeated Japan.
> -- 
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
After much consideration and much soul-searching I find that I can follow no other course of action than to formally request that this forum revoke the top security clearance of Athel-Cornish, Mainly-in-Error.  This request to revoke his security clearance is predicated on what can only be construed as the pro-Fuchs, pro-Julius and Ethel sentiments expressed by Athel in the preceding post.  I request that he be officially excluded from all further threads concerned with atomic secrets.  As for Athel, may he find consolation in the possibility that Bob Dylan will write a song for him. 

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#616424

patdolan wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:31:55 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2023-07-30 08:27:24 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:
> >
> > > On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said:
> > >
> > >> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > >>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:>
> > >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7,
> > >>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves
> > >>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do
> > >>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in
> > >>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >>
> > >>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs,
> > >>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only>
> > >>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray">
> > >>> it.
> > >>> --
> > >>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> > >> Fuchs was not American, to be sure. But all his thefts were committed
> > >> on American soil,
> > >
> > > You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the
> > > case why did they bring him?
> > >
> > >> while earning American Dollars and being protected by same. He
> > >> betrayed OUR Bomb program
> > It wasn't YOUR bomb programme. You are -- typically for an American --
> > forgetting the essential contributions made by British, Canadian and
> > refugee-German scientists, without which there would have been no bomb.
> >
> > Fuchs himself made major contributions, but he was increasingly
> > concerned by his realization that the USA was not planning to pass on
> > any information to its allies, most notably the USSR, in the war
> > against Nazi Germany. After the war the USA tried, with partial
> > success, to exclude even the UK from any information about the results
> > from the Manhattan project. However, as we know, the Americans defeated
> > Germany without any participation by anyone else, so why shouldn't they
> > keep the results to themselves?
> >
> > In reality, of course, it was primarily the USSR that defeated Germany,
> > something Hitler understood perfectly well when he placed 35 Divisions
> > on the Eastern Front and just one on the Western Front.
> >
> > On the other hand, I can accept that it was the USA that defeated Japan.
> > --
> > athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> After much consideration and much soul-searching I find that I can follow no other course of action than to formally request that this forum revoke the top security clearance of Athel-Cornish, Mainly-in-Error.  This request to revoke his security clearance is predicated on what can only be construed as the pro-Fuchs, pro-Julius and Ethel sentiments expressed by Athel in the preceding post.  I request that he be officially excluded from all further threads concerned with atomic secrets.  As for A

Bob Dylan doesn't write songs...he steals from other song writers. din't
you know dat?


da only good commie is a dead commie


-- 
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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#616427

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:28:58 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> patdolan wrote:
> > 
> > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:31:55 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> > > On 2023-07-30 08:27:24 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said: 
> > > 
> > > > On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said: 
> > > > 
> > > >> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> > > >>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:> 
> > > >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7, 
> > > >>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves 
> > > >>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do 
> > > >>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in 
> > > >>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >> 
> > > >>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs, 
> > > >>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only> 
> > > >>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray"> 
> > > >>> it. 
> > > >>> -- 
> > > >>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots 
> > > >> Fuchs was not American, to be sure. But all his thefts were committed 
> > > >> on American soil, 
> > > > 
> > > > You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the 
> > > > case why did they bring him? 
> > > > 
> > > >> while earning American Dollars and being protected by same. He 
> > > >> betrayed OUR Bomb program 
> > > It wasn't YOUR bomb programme. You are -- typically for an American -- 
> > > forgetting the essential contributions made by British, Canadian and 
> > > refugee-German scientists, without which there would have been no bomb. 
> > > 
> > > Fuchs himself made major contributions, but he was increasingly 
> > > concerned by his realization that the USA was not planning to pass on 
> > > any information to its allies, most notably the USSR, in the war 
> > > against Nazi Germany. After the war the USA tried, with partial 
> > > success, to exclude even the UK from any information about the results 
> > > from the Manhattan project. However, as we know, the Americans defeated 
> > > Germany without any participation by anyone else, so why shouldn't they 
> > > keep the results to themselves? 
> > > 
> > > In reality, of course, it was primarily the USSR that defeated Germany, 
> > > something Hitler understood perfectly well when he placed 35 Divisions 
> > > on the Eastern Front and just one on the Western Front. 
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, I can accept that it was the USA that defeated Japan. 
> > > -- 
> > > athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> > After much consideration and much soul-searching I find that I can follow no other course of action than to formally request that this forum revoke the top security clearance of Athel-Cornish, Mainly-in-Error. This request to revoke his security clearance is predicated on what can only be construed as the pro-Fuchs, pro-Julius and Ethel sentiments expressed by Athel in the preceding post. I request that he be officially excluded from all further threads concerned with atomic secrets. As for A
> Bob Dylan doesn't write songs...he steals from other song writers. din't 
> you know dat? 
> 
> 
> da only good commie is a dead commie
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.
Starmaker!  I had no idea of the BD plagiarism.  Please present your case.  Especially for "My Back Pages"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEIMCWob3U

Just look at Neil Young, the angriest man in music.  And the only singer worse than BD hizself. If (when) Trump is re-elected, his Bush-Trump derangement syndrome will kill him.  Why couldn't Tom Petty outgrow the hard drugs?

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#616442

patdolan wrote:
> 
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:28:58 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > patdolan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:31:55 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > > On 2023-07-30 08:27:24 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2023-07-30 08:09:08 +0000, patdolan said:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:45:05 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > > >>> On 2023-07-30 05:41:01 +0000, The Starmaker said:>> > patdolan wrote:>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:42:05 AM UTC-7,
> > > > >>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:> >>> Feynman cracked the government saves
> > > > >>> containing the atom bomb design.> >>> It shows he was willing to do
> > > > >>> something completely wrong just to get> >>> away with it. Only in
> > > > >>> America would that be allowed. And it should not> >>> have been.> >>
> > > > >>> Mitch, surely you meant to type that it was Klaus Fuchs,
> > > > >>> You're making the usual American assumption that the USA is the only>
> > > > >>> country that matters. Fuchs was not American, so he couldn't "betray">
> > > > >>> it.
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> > > > >> Fuchs was not American, to be sure. But all his thefts were committed
> > > > >> on American soil,
> > > > >
> > > > > You think he arrived at Los Alamos knowing nothing? If that were the
> > > > > case why did they bring him?
> > > > >
> > > > >> while earning American Dollars and being protected by same. He
> > > > >> betrayed OUR Bomb program
> > > > It wasn't YOUR bomb programme. You are -- typically for an American --
> > > > forgetting the essential contributions made by British, Canadian and
> > > > refugee-German scientists, without which there would have been no bomb.
> > > >
> > > > Fuchs himself made major contributions, but he was increasingly
> > > > concerned by his realization that the USA was not planning to pass on
> > > > any information to its allies, most notably the USSR, in the war
> > > > against Nazi Germany. After the war the USA tried, with partial
> > > > success, to exclude even the UK from any information about the results
> > > > from the Manhattan project. However, as we know, the Americans defeated
> > > > Germany without any participation by anyone else, so why shouldn't they
> > > > keep the results to themselves?
> > > >
> > > > In reality, of course, it was primarily the USSR that defeated Germany,
> > > > something Hitler understood perfectly well when he placed 35 Divisions
> > > > on the Eastern Front and just one on the Western Front.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, I can accept that it was the USA that defeated Japan.
> > > > --
> > > > athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> > > After much consideration and much soul-searching I find that I can follow no other course of action than to formally request that this forum revoke the top security clearance of Athel-Cornish, Mainly-in-Error. This request to revoke his security clearance is predicated on what can only be construed as the pro-Fuchs, pro-Julius and Ethel sentiments expressed by Athel in the preceding post. I request that he be officially excluded from all further threads concerned with atomic secrets. As for
> > Bob Dylan doesn't write songs...he steals from other song writers. din't
> > you know dat?
> >
> >
> > da only good commie is a dead commie
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> Starmaker!  I had no idea of the BD plagiarism.  Please present your case.  Especially for "My Back Pages"
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEIMCWob3U
> 
> Just look at Neil Young, the angriest man in music.  And the only singer worse than BD hizself. If (when) Trump is re-elected, his Bush-Trump derangement syndrome will kill him.  Why couldn't Tom Petty outgrow the hard drugs?

he stole his music from old county hillbillies...


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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