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Michelson got his mirrors wrong

Started byPeter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk>
First post2016-10-22 16:31 -0700
Last post2016-11-18 10:12 -0800
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  Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-22 16:31 -0700
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-23 04:47 +0200
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 20:17 -0700
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-22 22:16 -0700
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 08:46 +0200
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-23 21:10 +0200
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 21:59 +0200
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-24 06:34 +0200
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 07:59 +0200
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-24 22:55 +0200
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 08:23 +0200
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 08:51 +0200
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-25 08:54 +0200
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 09:39 +0200
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 09:50 +0200
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-26 07:56 +0200
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 19:41 +0100
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-31 05:54 +0100
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 07:03 +0100
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 07:53 +0100
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 11:04 +0100
                                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-01 04:47 +0100
                                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 07:35 +0100
                                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 07:58 +0100
                                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 08:13 +0100
                                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-01 18:55 +0100
                                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 19:59 +0100
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-09 08:42 +0100
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-12 19:37 -0800
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-12 19:46 -0800
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-31 22:08 +0100
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 22:49 +0100
                                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 22:57 +0100
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 05:05 -0700
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 16:42 -0700
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 01:40 +0100
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong brightontoyandmodelmuseum@gmail.com - 2016-11-07 13:26 -0800
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-07 13:33 -0800
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 15:59 -0800
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-08 06:42 -0800
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 04:17 -0800
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 22:35 +0100
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-07 13:39 -0800
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 17:06 -0800
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 08:19 +0100
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 19:23 -0800
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-07 16:40 -0800
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:03 -0800
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:08 -0800
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 04:51 -0800
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 05:26 -0800
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-01 04:33 +0100
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 07:23 +0100
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-01 19:11 +0100
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 20:03 +0100
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Nick <nick@nick.nick> - 2016-11-02 15:14 +0000
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-02 22:05 +0100
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-03 08:38 +0100
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-04 04:40 +0100
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 10:27 +0100
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-04 18:09 +0100
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-08 10:54 -0800
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Marion Vanriper <Marion@Vanriper.info> - 2016-11-26 10:58 +0000
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 21:51 +0100
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 21:53 +0100
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-01 12:14 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-14 06:42 +0100
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 20:16 -0700
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 21:03 -0700
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-22 22:14 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 03:18 -0700
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-23 12:33 +0200
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-23 16:00 +0200
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 07:18 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 07:58 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-23 21:54 +0200
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 13:46 -0700
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 15:10 -0700
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 15:16 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 16:08 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 18:13 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 20:37 -0700
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-24 14:45 +0200
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 06:55 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:43 -0700
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 19:34 -0700
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-25 14:31 +0200
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 06:49 -0700
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-25 07:58 -0700
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 17:00 -0700
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 17:07 -0700
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 20:21 -0700
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 00:03 -0700
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-22 23:48 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:04 -0500
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 06:21 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 06:37 -0700
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 07:07 -0700
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 07:24 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 07:35 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 07:42 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 07:43 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-28 08:10 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-29 09:32 +0200
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-29 09:33 +0200
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-29 07:47 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-29 07:55 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-29 11:14 -0700
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-29 13:14 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-29 13:17 -0700
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-03 06:54 +0100
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-03 21:01 -0700
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-04 18:23 +0100
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 10:31 +0200
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 01:52 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 02:08 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 11:24 +0200
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-10-23 11:59 +0200
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 16:48 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 18:38 -0700
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 11:00 -0700
    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-24 11:42 +1100
      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 18:06 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 18:38 -0700
        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-24 12:46 +1100
          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 20:00 -0700
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-24 14:24 +1100
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 22:12 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 22:34 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:02 +0200
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 23:35 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:42 +0200
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 23:48 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:53 +0200
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 00:08 -0700
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 11:08 +0200
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 03:17 -0700
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 13:09 +0200
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 04:13 -0700
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:52 -0700
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 04:55 -0700
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:48 -0700
                                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 19:41 -0700
                                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 22:04 -0700
                                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 23:37 -0700
                                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 23:45 -0700
                                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 23:47 -0700
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 04:50 -0700
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 09:55 -0500
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-27 17:16 -0700
                                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 09:54 -0500
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:39 -0500
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:38 -0500
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:36 -0500
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:29 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 08:25 +0200
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 23:41 -0700
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 08:57 +0200
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 09:55 -0500
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-31 06:28 +0100
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 08:35 -0500
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 16:43 -0700
                                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 15:19 -0600
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 09:55 -0500
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-24 23:13 +1100
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:46 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:27 -0500
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:30 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 09:55 -0500
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-01 05:06 +0100
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 22:53 -0700
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-01 11:36 -0700
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-01 23:16 +0100
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-11-01 16:43 -0700
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-01 17:03 -0700
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-11-01 20:25 -0700
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-01 20:30 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 15:21 -0600
            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:24 -0500
              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 16:33 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-27 08:28 +0200
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 05:50 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-27 14:21 +0000
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-27 23:16 +0200
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 14:52 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-28 04:54 +0200
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 20:13 -0700
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-30 06:55 +0100
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-30 05:12 -0700
                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-16 07:26 +0100
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-15 23:07 -0800
                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-16 03:44 -0800
                                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-16 07:09 -0800
                                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-16 11:58 -0800
                                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-16 14:36 -0800
                                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-16 18:57 -0800
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-16 19:23 -0800
                                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-11-16 19:26 -0800
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-16 20:09 -0800
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-16 20:25 -0800
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-16 20:10 -0800
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-17 04:43 -0800
                                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-17 06:21 -0800
                                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-17 06:57 -0800
                                                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-17 07:03 -0800
                                                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-17 07:45 -0800
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-16 20:26 -0800
                                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 08:45 -0600
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-17 12:28 -0800
                                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-17 14:52 -0800
                                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-18 09:29 -0800
                                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-18 10:01 -0800
                                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-18 10:40 -0800
                                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-19 09:47 -0600
                                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-19 07:52 -0800
                                                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-20 06:36 +0100
                                                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 17:38 -0800
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-30 06:30 -0700
                Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 09:55 -0500
                  Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-27 17:22 -0700
                    Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 18:50 -0700
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-27 19:04 -0700
                      Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 19:39 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-27 20:04 -0700
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 20:19 -0700
                        Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 20:07 -0700
                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-27 21:14 -0700
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                          Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-28 01:24 -0700
                            Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 01:41 -0700
                              Re: Michelson got his mirrors wrong Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-28 02:24 -0700
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#396902

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-10-27 08:28 +0200
Message-ID<e7dl4bFs3edU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#396697
Am 25.10.2016 01:33, schrieb Peter Riedt:

>> Peter, you should know better. In the English dictionary are listed
>> several definitions of words, and which one is appropriate depends on
>> context. If you use the inappropriate definition for a given context,
>> then this is your own mistake.
>>
>>> and their opposites are
>>> 'not real/untrue/non existing/non present'. The former do not apply to LC but the latter do.
>>>
>>> Einstein did not give a logically conclusive reply, he said LC does and doesn't exist.
>>
>> No, Peter, what he said is that it depends on what you mean by "real".
>> And here he explained what HE means by real, and you insist on taking a
>> different definition.
>>
>>> His reply is only accepted on the basis that a genius cannot be doubted.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> Please tell me your version how MMX, the experiment in the lab, is affected by LC.

The MMX experiment is not affected by 'length contraction' because the 
device was rotated only horizontal.

They attempted to measure 'ether drift', but failed.

This was inevitable, since 'ether drift' is assumed to occur vertical, 
not horizontal.

Actually the assumptions about 'ether' by Michelson and Morley were 
unclear and at least twisted. They assumed something like a thin, 
invisible gas, that fills all space.

But 'thin invisible gas' is called 'atmosphere' near the surface of 
planet Earth. And this is - of course - there.

But apparently this 'ether' does not make interferometer-arms longer or 
shorter.

So: 'ether' is not a gas and can apparently fall and vanish into the Earth.

This could be understood as is Earth would be a 'vortex' of this ether 
and what is falling is something carrying energy, not a substance.

To illustrate this behaviour I use the picture of a pair of scissors.

If closed, the thing is simply not there. If it opens, then two 
antagonistic rotations appear out of nowhere - like in pair creation.

But these rotations like to reconnect and would like to close the blades 
again and vanish into nothing, what makes the thing drop (and the Earth 
grow).


Well, certainly sounds weird. But - fortunately - I have written this 
'book':

  https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6


TH

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#396911

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-10-27 05:50 -0700
Message-ID<d7a2d10a-01f3-47ce-8c2e-670aa109b63f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#396902
On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 12:28:31 AM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 25.10.2016 01:33, schrieb Peter Riedt:
> >
> > Please tell me your version how MMX, the experiment in the lab, is
> > affected by LC.
> 
> The MMX experiment is not affected by 'length contraction'

True.

> because the device was rotated only horizontal.

False.  Please TRY to envision the position of the lab on the earth and the
position of the lab as the earth rotates and moves about the sun.  If you
do this correctly, you will see that the horizontal rotation causes the
beams to lie along the earth's motion about the sun part of the time.

> They attempted to measure 'ether drift', but failed.

True.

> This was inevitable, since 'ether drift' is assumed to occur vertical, 
> not horizontal.

See above.  You seem to have a problem with visualizing spatial relationships.

> Actually the assumptions about 'ether' by Michelson and Morley were 
> unclear and at least twisted. They assumed something like a thin, 
> invisible gas, that fills all space.
> 
> But 'thin invisible gas' is called 'atmosphere' near the surface of 
> planet Earth. And this is - of course - there.

Irrelevant.  Light travels in free space where there is no air.

> But apparently this 'ether' does not make interferometer-arms longer or 
> shorter.

According to LET, it does (of course, no one believes in LET today).

> So: 'ether' is not a gas and can apparently fall and vanish into the Earth.

Actually, it was assumed to pass through the earth.  An alternate assumption
was that the ether was "entrained" by the rotation of the earth (this
assumption has been refuted by experiment).

> This could be understood as is Earth would be a 'vortex' of this ether 
> and what is falling is something carrying energy, not a substance.

Then the earth should be heating up and should be the temperature of the
sun by now.

> [More crazy stuff deleted]

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#396922

FromWalter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org>
Date2016-10-27 14:21 +0000
Message-ID<nut2hq$1iq2$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396911
Gary Harnagel wrote:

>> This could be understood as is Earth would be a 'vortex' of this ether
>> and what is falling is something carrying energy, not a substance.
> 
> Then the earth should be heating up and should be the temperature of the
> sun by now.

No, since a hypothetical existing Aether would contain planets along its 
structure (crystal undeformable). Things deforms, not the Aether. You both 
are getting it upside-down, symmetrical.

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#396958

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-10-27 23:16 +0200
Message-ID<e7f95nFa0lbU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#396911
Am 27.10.2016 14:50, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>> Please tell me your version how MMX, the experiment in the lab, is
>>> affected by LC.
>>
>> The MMX experiment is not affected by 'length contraction'
>
> True.
>
>> because the device was rotated only horizontal.
>
> False.  Please TRY to envision the position of the lab on the earth and the
> position of the lab as the earth rotates and moves about the sun.  If you
> do this correctly, you will see that the horizontal rotation causes the
> beams to lie along the earth's motion about the sun part of the time.
>
>> They attempted to measure 'ether drift', but failed.
>
> True.
>
>> This was inevitable, since 'ether drift' is assumed to occur vertical,
>> not horizontal.
>
> See above.  You seem to have a problem with visualizing spatial relationships.

No, not at all.

With 'space' (from: 'spatial relations') you apparently mean  'euclidean 
3d space'.

This space is in my own model not the empty space, through which 
everything moves.

Space is in my model the same thing, that is called in relativity 'past 
light cone'.

The 'real thing' is spacetime and space is more or less a picture, we 
receive from the past.


>> Actually the assumptions about 'ether' by Michelson and Morley were
>> unclear and at least twisted. They assumed something like a thin,
>> invisible gas, that fills all space.
>>
>> But 'thin invisible gas' is called 'atmosphere' near the surface of
>> planet Earth. And this is - of course - there.
>
> Irrelevant.  Light travels in free space where there is no air.
>
>> But apparently this 'ether' does not make interferometer-arms longer or
>> shorter.
>
> According to LET, it does (of course, no one believes in LET today).
>
>> So: 'ether' is not a gas and can apparently fall and vanish into the Earth.
>
> Actually, it was assumed to pass through the earth.  An alternate assumption
> was that the ether was "entrained" by the rotation of the earth (this
> assumption has been refuted by experiment).
>
>> This could be understood as is Earth would be a 'vortex' of this ether
>> and what is falling is something carrying energy, not a substance.
>
> Then the earth should be heating up and should be the temperature of the
> sun by now.

This 'medium' spacetime has a certain unusual feature. That is a 'anti 
symmetric rotation'.

In a simplified form you could visualize this with two rotating 
pointers, which rotate in opposite directions.

These rotations build patterns and those are, what we call 'matter'. 
Very small entities are called 'atoms' and very large entities 'planets'.

So in my model the Earth does not float through space, but is a certain 
substructure of spacetime and has features of a fractal vortex.

(see here:

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6   )

And of course the Earth is heated up. You can easily see the heat at any 
volcano.

(Also the rotation of Earth stems from the vortex.)

The idea is a little strange, I guess. But actually I think, that nature 
does in fact behave this way.


TH

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#396961

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-10-27 14:52 -0700
Message-ID<fe154528-17d7-4516-8f5d-0f2f83d15a3f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#396958
On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 3:16:42 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 27.10.2016 14:50, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > > > Please tell me your version how MMX, the experiment in the lab, is
> > > > affected by LC.
> > >
> > > The MMX experiment is not affected by 'length contraction'
> >
> > True.
> >
> > > because the device was rotated only horizontal.
> >
> > False.  Please TRY to envision the position of the lab on the earth and the
> > position of the lab as the earth rotates and moves about the sun.  If you
> > do this correctly, you will see that the horizontal rotation causes the
> > beams to lie along the earth's motion about the sun part of the time.
> >
> > > They attempted to measure 'ether drift', but failed.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > > This was inevitable, since 'ether drift' is assumed to occur vertical,
> > > not horizontal.
> >
> > See above.  You seem to have a problem with visualizing spatial
> > relationships.
> 
> No, not at all.

Yes, you do.  It's IOTTMCO.

> With 'space' (from: 'spatial relations') you apparently mean  'euclidean 
> 3d space'.

Of course.

> This space is in my own model not the empty space, through which 
> everything moves.

Irrelevant.

> Space is in my model the same thing, that is called in relativity 'past 
> light cone'.

Irrelevant.

> The 'real thing' is spacetime and space is more or less a picture, we 
> receive from the past.

Irrelevant.  And the rest of your baloney deleted since it has no bearing
on the real world.

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#396981

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-10-28 04:54 +0200
Message-ID<e7fsvmFe4ttU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#396961
Am 27.10.2016 23:52, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>> With 'space' (from: 'spatial relations') you apparently mean  'euclidean
>> 3d space'.
>
> Of course.
>
>> This space is in my own model not the empty space, through which
>> everything moves.
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>> Space is in my model the same thing, that is called in relativity 'past
>> light cone'.
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>> The 'real thing' is spacetime and space is more or less a picture, we
>> receive from the past.
>
> Irrelevant.  And the rest of your baloney deleted since it has no bearing
> on the real world.

The features and dimensionality of the foundations of nature are 
actually, what physicists try to find out.

That might be 'irrelevant' for you personally, as it is an irrelevant 
question for the wast majority of people.

But in a forum, that bears the name " sci.physics.relativity", things 
are different and such 'irrelevant questions' are actually a relevant 
topic.

So: what you regard as relevant (or not) is of no scientific relevance.

Also "of course" is not a valid statement in a scientific discussion, 
especially as you used it to justify euclidean 3d-pace in connection 
with relativity.


TH

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#396985

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-10-27 20:13 -0700
Message-ID<5d70cfc4-0924-4f24-856c-daf983d388b9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#396981
On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:54:49 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 27.10.2016 23:52, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > > With 'space' (from: 'spatial relations') you apparently mean  'euclidean
> > > 3d space'.
> >
> > Of course.
> >
> > > This space is in my own model not the empty space, through which
> > > everything moves.
> >
> > Irrelevant.
> >
> > > Space is in my model the same thing, that is called in relativity 'past
> > > light cone'.
> >
> > Irrelevant.
> >
> > > The 'real thing' is spacetime and space is more or less a picture, we
> > > receive from the past.
> >
> > Irrelevant.  And the rest of your baloney deleted since it has no bearing
> > on the real world.
> 
> The features and dimensionality of the foundations of nature are 
> actually, what physicists try to find out.

Dimensionality is a human invention.

> That might be 'irrelevant' for you personally, as it is an irrelevant 
> question for the wast majority of people.
> 
> But in a forum, that bears the name " sci.physics.relativity", things 
> are different and such 'irrelevant questions' are actually a relevant 
> topic.
> 
> So: what you regard as relevant (or not) is of no scientific relevance.

Actually, theories must describe experimentally-confirmed measurement, or
they are irrelevant.

> Also "of course" is not a valid statement in a scientific discussion, 
> especially as you used it to justify euclidean 3d-pace in connection 
> with relativity.
> 
> 
> TH

Both relativity and 3D space are also human inventions.  In fact, so is
mathematics.  "Of course" certainly IS valid as it describes what I was
referring to.  Euclidean 3d space certainly is "valid" also.  It all
depends on what part of nature you are trying to describe.

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#397177

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-10-30 06:55 +0100
Message-ID<e7lgatFnkspU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#396985
Am 28.10.2016 05:13, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
>
>>>
>>>> The 'real thing' is spacetime and space is more or less a picture, we
>>>> receive from the past.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant.  And the rest of your baloney deleted since it has no bearing
>>> on the real world.
>>
>> The features and dimensionality of the foundations of nature are
>> actually, what physicists try to find out.
>
> Dimensionality is a human invention.

Nature exists without someone watching. Off course there exist features 
of nature, that could be described with human terms. These phrases are 
not the 'real thing', but a human abstraction.

Now our abstractions should match this 'real thing' as far as possible. 
This is what theoretical physics tries to achieve.

 From such fundamental theories simplified versions are derived, that 
others sciences could could use in their realms.
>
>> That might be 'irrelevant' for you personally, as it is an irrelevant
>> question for the wast majority of people.
>>
>> But in a forum, that bears the name " sci.physics.relativity", things
>> are different and such 'irrelevant questions' are actually a relevant
>> topic.
>>
>> So: what you regard as relevant (or not) is of no scientific relevance.
>
> Actually, theories must describe experimentally-confirmed measurement, or
> they are irrelevant.

This is not true. A theory must be possible. IOW no experiment should be 
in contradiction to a theory. If an experiment shows, that the theory 
can't be correct, the theory is wrong.

But usefulness is not a requirement.

We can create theories, which are perfectly useless, but are still valid 
theories.

We can also create theories, which have no measurable entities in them. 
E.g. in cosmology we could assume things about the time before the big 
bang and that would be impossible to measure or verify.

So theories should describe aspects of nature with assumptions, which we 
regard as valid. If an experiment shows, that our assumptions are wrong, 
we need to find something else.


>> Also "of course" is not a valid statement in a scientific discussion,
>> especially as you used it to justify euclidean 3d-pace in connection
>> with relativity.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> Both relativity and 3D space are also human inventions.  In fact, so is
> mathematics.  "Of course" certainly IS valid as it describes what I was
> referring to.  Euclidean 3d space certainly is "valid" also.  It all
> depends on what part of nature you are trying to describe.


Well, than you mean something like a definition, that you refer to with 
'of course'.
This is certainly possibly, but not really, what scientific discussions 
are about.

TH

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#397184

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-10-30 05:12 -0700
Message-ID<8e57df3a-6255-4d71-bcbc-904757453fc8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#397177
On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:55:44 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 28.10.2016 05:13, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > Dimensionality is a human invention.
> 
> Nature exists without someone watching.

Of course.

> Off course there exist features of nature, that could be described with
> human terms.

Not "could be":  ARE

> These phrases are not the 'real thing', but a human abstraction.

Waxing philosophical.

> Now our abstractions should match this 'real thing' as far as possible. 
> This is what theoretical physics tries to achieve.
> 
>  From such fundamental theories simplified versions are derived, that 
> others sciences could could use in their realms.

Not "could": ARE

> > Actually, theories must describe experimentally-confirmed measurement, or
> > they are irrelevant.
> 
> This is not true. A theory must be possible. IOW no experiment should be 
> in contradiction to a theory. If an experiment shows, that the theory 
> can't be correct, the theory is wrong.
> 
> But usefulness is not a requirement.
> 
> We can create theories, which are perfectly useless, but are still valid 
> theories.

I think your idea of "useless" isn't congruent with mine :-)

> We can also create theories, which have no measurable entities in them. 
> E.g. in cosmology we could assume things about the time before the big 
> bang and that would be impossible to measure or verify.

Are you sure it's impossible?

http://scienceline.org/2008/07/physics-heger-bigbang/

And maybe the Big Bang wasn't so big after all:

http://wwwphy.princeton.edu/~steinh/cyclintro/index.html

> So theories should describe aspects of nature with assumptions, which we 
> regard as valid. If an experiment shows, that our assumptions are wrong, 
> we need to find something else.

Of course.

> > Both relativity and 3D space are also human inventions.  In fact, so is
> > mathematics.  "Of course" certainly IS valid as it describes what I was
> > referring to.  Euclidean 3d space certainly is "valid" also.  It all
> > depends on what part of nature you are trying to describe.
> 
> 
> Well, than you mean something like a definition, that you refer to with 
> 'of course'.
> This is certainly possibly, but not really, what scientific discussions 
> are about.
> 
> TH

You have to have definitions or you can't discuss science.

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#398586

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-11-16 07:26 +0100
Message-ID<e92cgbFf05hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#397184
Am 30.10.2016 13:12, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:55:44 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Am 28.10.2016 05:13, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
>>>
>>> Dimensionality is a human invention.
>>
>> Nature exists without someone watching.
>
> Of course.
>
>> Off course there exist features of nature, that could be described with
>> human terms.
>
> Not "could be":  ARE
>
>> These phrases are not the 'real thing', but a human abstraction.
>
> Waxing philosophical.
>
>> Now our abstractions should match this 'real thing' as far as possible.
>> This is what theoretical physics tries to achieve.
>>
>>   From such fundamental theories simplified versions are derived, that
>> others sciences could could use in their realms.
>
> Not "could": ARE
>
>>> Actually, theories must describe experimentally-confirmed measurement, or
>>> they are irrelevant.
>>
>> This is not true. A theory must be possible. IOW no experiment should be
>> in contradiction to a theory. If an experiment shows, that the theory
>> can't be correct, the theory is wrong.
>>
>> But usefulness is not a requirement.
>>
>> We can create theories, which are perfectly useless, but are still valid
>> theories.
>
> I think your idea of "useless" isn't congruent with mine :-)
>
>> We can also create theories, which have no measurable entities in them.
>> E.g. in cosmology we could assume things about the time before the big
>> bang and that would be impossible to measure or verify.
>
> Are you sure it's impossible?
>
> http://scienceline.org/2008/07/physics-heger-bigbang/

(Interesting, that someone has the same as me and writes about similar 
subjects.)

Actually there is a similarity of big bang to  light cones.

The 'big crunch' is than the past light cone of the big bang, while the 
universe is the future light cone of the big bang.

(These cones are actually not really cones, but a set of nested spheres, 
which are stacked in time.)

Our sky is actually 'stacked in time' and a set of nested spheres, which 
belong to an earlier time, the further away.

Now we could combine both pictures and get a 'big crunch' followed by a 
'big bang'.

The trick is, that the axis of time is 'relative' (to us as observers).

This means: to every observer belongs a different big bang, a different 
axis of time and a different universe.

The picture is also invertible and we could reverse the axis of time and 
think about 'big crunch' as 'big bang' for a different universe.

(This is a universe, where the axis of time points into the opposite 
direction.)

Now we could think about both: expansion and contraction. And both are 
happening at the same time.

How would that look like?

Certainly strange, since usually we assume one distinct direction of 
time across the entire universe, while 'time-loops' do not fit.

So: to any axis of time belongs one inverse. This is the imaginary 
'sheet', into which the big crunch vanishes and from where the big bang 
emerges.

Since this hyperplane is perpendicular to the axis of time (of the 
observer), there is a different 'sheet' for every observer, hence a 
different big bang.

TH

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#398589

From"David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-15 23:07 -0800
Message-ID<533b359e-5d6d-490c-ad13-40b73a5946ec@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398586

(Interesting, that someone has the same as me and writes about similar 
subjects.) 

Actually there is a similarity of big bang to  light cones. 

The 'big crunch' is than the past light cone of the big bang, while the 
universe is the future light cone of the big bang. 

(These cones are actually not really cones, but a set of nested spheres, 
which are stacked in time.) 

Our sky is actually 'stacked in time' and a set of nested spheres, which 
belong to an earlier time, the further away. 

Now we could combine both pictures and get a 'big crunch' followed by a 
'big bang'. 

The trick is, that the axis of time is 'relative' (to us as observers). 

This means: to every observer belongs a different big bang, a different 
axis of time and a different universe. 

The picture is also invertible and we could reverse the axis of time and 
think about 'big crunch' as 'big bang' for a different universe. 

(This is a universe, where the axis of time points into the opposite 
direction.) 

Now we could think about both: expansion and contraction. And both are 
happening at the same time. 

How would that look like? 

Certainly strange, since usually we assume one distinct direction of 
time across the entire universe, while 'time-loops' do not fit. 

So: to any axis of time belongs one inverse. This is the imaginary 
'sheet', into which the big crunch vanishes and from where the big bang 
emerges. 

Since this hyperplane is perpendicular to the axis of time (of the 
observer), there is a different 'sheet' for every observer, hence a 
different big bang. 

TH 

http://i68.tinypic.com/2lcxw7t.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2v0mp94.jpg

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#398596

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-16 03:44 -0800
Message-ID<3aa70a84-226a-4a99-8787-9a48076eafb1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398586
On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 11:26:23 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Since this hyperplane is perpendicular to the axis of time (of the 
> observer), there is a different 'sheet' for every observer, hence a 
> different big bang.
> 
> TH

I don't believe in the Big Bang as described by the standard model.  First,
the universe originating from a point is ridiculously unphysical.  Second,
the concept of inflation is almost as ridiculous:

“Even from the beginning, inflation looked like a kluge to me… I rapidly
formed the opinion that these guys were just making it up as they went
along” -- Neil Turok

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#398604

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2016-11-16 07:09 -0800
Message-ID<899a33db-cc5e-4a53-bed5-e394abef7a83@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398596
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> I don't believe in the Big Bang as described by the standard model.  First,
> the universe originating from a point is ridiculously unphysical. 

This is not what the SM says. You need to LEARN a subject before you start arguing against it. 

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#398627

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-16 11:58 -0800
Message-ID<38141bac-f98f-493b-ba1c-ef95da484ab7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398604
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:09:54 AM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > 
> > I don't believe in the Big Bang as described by the standard model.  First,
> > the universe originating from a point is ridiculously unphysical. 
> 
> This is not what the SM says.

Yes, it is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

"If the known laws of physics are extrapolated to the highest density regime,
the result is a singularity which is typically associated with the Big Bang."
 
> You need to LEARN a subject before you start arguing against it.

I have, but YOU haven't.  If you want to discuss a subject, do so instead
of trying to defecate on people.

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#398638

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2016-11-16 14:36 -0800
Message-ID<e2c2038a-0729-4176-993f-c34924562326@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398627
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:09:54 AM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > > 
> > > I don't believe in the Big Bang as described by the standard model.  First,
> > > the universe originating from a point is ridiculously unphysical. 
> > 
> > This is not what the SM says.
> 
> Yes, it is:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
> 
> "If the known laws of physics are extrapolated to the highest density regime,
> the result is a singularity which is typically associated with the Big Bang."
>  

The "singularity" does not represent "a point". 


> > You need to LEARN a subject before you start arguing against it.
> 
> I have, but YOU haven't. 

No, you are the same old fart pretender you've always been. 

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#398643

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-16 18:57 -0800
Message-ID<314bd3e5-105a-499f-b192-8e388a4aaa25@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398638
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:36:19 PM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:09:54 AM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I don't believe in the Big Bang as described by the standard model.
> > > >  First, the universe originating from a point is ridiculously
> > > > unphysical. 
> > > 
> > > This is not what the SM says.
> > 
> > Yes, it is:
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
> > 
> > "If the known laws of physics are extrapolated to the highest density
> > regime, the result is a singularity which is typically associated with
> > the Big Bang."
> 
> The "singularity" does not represent "a point". 

You're quibbling.

> > > You need to LEARN a subject before you start arguing against it.
> > 
> > I have, but YOU haven't. 
> 
> No, you are the same old fart pretender you've always been.

Stop being a troll and try to be a decent human being.

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#398644

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2016-11-16 19:23 -0800
Message-ID<ca46c468-d524-432b-9b0a-0c3c472ed2ed@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398643
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 6:57:42 PM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:36:19 PM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:09:54 AM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't believe in the Big Bang as described by the standard model.
> > > > >  First, the universe originating from a point is ridiculously
> > > > > unphysical. 
> > > > 
> > > > This is not what the SM says.
> > > 
> > > Yes, it is:
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
> > > 
> > > "If the known laws of physics are extrapolated to the highest density
> > > regime, the result is a singularity which is typically associated with
> > > the Big Bang."
> > 
> > The "singularity" does not represent "a point". 
> 
> You're quibbling.
> 

No, old fart, I am simply pointing out the idiocy in your post and your arrogance in terms of disagreeing with the SM.


> > > > You need to LEARN a subject before you start arguing against it.
> > > 
> > > I have, but YOU haven't. 
> > 
> > No, you are the same old fart pretender you've always been.
> 
> Stop being a troll and try to be a decent human being.

Continue being a pretender and you will continue to get your ass kicked. 

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#398645

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2016-11-16 19:26 -0800
Message-ID<8ac47393-7381-4a35-932d-b21ea9652f46@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398638
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 2:36:19 PM UTC-8, Dono, wrote:

> The "singularity" does not represent "a point".

There are sources out there that say you are wrong; for example...

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/86-the-universe/black-holes-and-quasars/general-questions/441-what-is-a-singularity-beginner

"... at the center of a black hole, according to classical theory, the density is infinite (because a finite mass is compressed to a zero volume). Hence it is a singularity. 

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#398646

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-16 20:09 -0800
Message-ID<3a3ee13f-2137-4e8e-9940-e19f73a534f6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398645
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:26:24 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 2:36:19 PM UTC-8, Dono, wrote:
> >
> > The "singularity" does not represent "a point".
> 
> There are sources out there that say you are wrong; for example...
> 
> http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/86-the-universe/black-holes-and-quasars/general-questions/441-what-is-a-singularity-beginner
> 
> "... at the center of a black hole, according to classical theory, the
> density is infinite (because a finite mass is compressed to a zero volume).
> Hence it is a singularity.

Thank you, Paul.  A region of zero volume is a point.  The quibbler is just
a poor loser who has delusions of grandeur.

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#398649

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2016-11-16 20:25 -0800
Message-ID<8f809ea1-ba4f-4161-ba05-644e202b0084@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#398646
On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:09:15 PM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:26:24 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 2:36:19 PM UTC-8, Dono, wrote:
> > >
> > > The "singularity" does not represent "a point".
> > 
> > There are sources out there that say you are wrong; for example...
> > 
> > http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/86-the-universe/black-holes-and-quasars/general-questions/441-what-is-a-singularity-beginner
> > 
> > "... at the center of a black hole, according to classical theory, the
> > density is infinite (because a finite mass is compressed to a zero volume).
> > Hence it is a singularity.
> 
> Thank you, Paul.  A region of zero volume is a point.  The quibbler is just
> a poor loser who has delusions of grandeur.

...say the crackpot who "disagrees" with the SM.....

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