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  Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-19 07:12 +0200
    Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 07:25 +0200
      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-19 09:53 +0200
        Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 10:11 +0200
          Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-19 10:19 +0200
            Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 10:28 +0200
              Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-27 09:22 +0200
      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-19 23:35 +0200
      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-19 21:11 -0700
        Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-19 21:36 -0700
    Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 07:28 +0200
      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-19 10:16 +0200
        Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 10:32 +0200
          Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-20 06:10 +0200
    Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-06-19 10:15 +0200
    Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-19 12:10 -0500
      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-21 06:14 +0200
        Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 08:28 -0500
          Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-22 06:33 +0200
            Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 08:20 -0500
              Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-08 10:59 +0200
                Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:41 -0500
                Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 05:42 -0700
                  Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-09 06:52 +0200
                    Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 15:31 +0000
                      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-11 22:33 +0200
    Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 13:32 -0700
      Re: Idiocy of Plate Tectonics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-23 06:21 +0200

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#387428

Am 22.06.2016 15:20, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>> GPS does not measure the interior of the Earth, since the satellites
>> circle around in orbit, what is outside of the Earth.
>>
>> The interior is impossible to access.
>>
>> But it would be eventually be possible to measure changes of the
>> diameter of the Earth indirectly.
>>
>> How could the GPS system be used to measure such changes?
>
> Thomas, please.
> The GPS orbit is well known, including the orbit path circumference and
> its diameter, which means that the location of the center of the earth
> is well known just because of the circle the satellites travel through.

Simply not true, since in reality they use 'differential GPS' for high 
precision measurements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS

Quote:

"DGPS uses a network of fixed, ground-based reference stations to 
broadcast the difference between the positions indicated by the GPS 
satellite systems and the known fixed positions."

 From 'fixed known positions' follows the inability to measure changes 
of those positions.

This is so, because 'known fixed position' is an axiom, on which further 
measurements are based.

If these positions would in fact change, you need something else as 
reference.

This could actually be the orbit itself. But this is not usable for high 
precision measurements, because it would allow only a precision in the 
range of 15 m (not the required mm).



TH

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#387437

On 7/8/2016 3:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 22.06.2016 15:20, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>> GPS does not measure the interior of the Earth, since the satellites
>>> circle around in orbit, what is outside of the Earth.
>>>
>>> The interior is impossible to access.
>>>
>>> But it would be eventually be possible to measure changes of the
>>> diameter of the Earth indirectly.
>>>
>>> How could the GPS system be used to measure such changes?
>>
>> Thomas, please.
>> The GPS orbit is well known, including the orbit path circumference and
>> its diameter, which means that the location of the center of the earth
>> is well known just because of the circle the satellites travel through.
>
> Simply not true, since in reality they use 'differential GPS' for high
> precision measurements:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS
>
> Quote:
>
> "DGPS uses a network of fixed, ground-based reference stations to
> broadcast the difference between the positions indicated by the GPS
> satellite systems and the known fixed positions."
>
> From 'fixed known positions' follows the inability to measure changes of
> those positions.

The differential GPS system is not how the GPS satellites know where 
they are.

You're grasping at straws.

>
> This is so, because 'known fixed position' is an axiom, on which further
> measurements are based.
>
> If these positions would in fact change, you need something else as
> reference.
>
> This could actually be the orbit itself. But this is not usable for high
> precision measurements, because it would allow only a precision in the
> range of 15 m (not the required mm).
>
>
>
> TH


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#387438

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 4:59:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 22.06.2016 15:20, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> >> GPS does not measure the interior of the Earth, since the satellites
> >> circle around in orbit, what is outside of the Earth.
> >>
> >> The interior is impossible to access.
> >>
> >> But it would be eventually be possible to measure changes of the
> >> diameter of the Earth indirectly.
> >>
> >> How could the GPS system be used to measure such changes?
> >
> > Thomas, please.
> > The GPS orbit is well known, including the orbit path circumference and
> > its diameter, which means that the location of the center of the earth
> > is well known just because of the circle the satellites travel through.
> 
> Simply not true, since in reality they use 'differential GPS' for high 
> precision measurements:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS
> 
> Quote:
> 
> "DGPS uses a network of fixed, ground-based reference stations to 
> broadcast the difference between the positions indicated by the GPS 
> satellite systems and the known fixed positions."
> 
>  From 'fixed known positions' follows the inability to measure changes 
> of those positions.
> 
> This is so, because 'known fixed position' is an axiom, on which further 
> measurements are based.
> 
> If these positions would in fact change, you need something else as 
> reference.
> 
> This could actually be the orbit itself. But this is not usable for high 
> precision measurements, because it would allow only a precision in the 
> range of 15 m (not the required mm).
> 
> 
> 
> TH

Nonsense. We have in Chile a network of GPS-based earthquake stations which are being used to monitor small ground displacements (of the mm scale). Besides that INSAR techniques can measure millimetre-scale changes in deformation over spans of days to years.

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#387481

Am 08.07.2016 14:42, schrieb paparios:

>>>> GPS does not measure the interior of the Earth, since the satellites
>>>> circle around in orbit, what is outside of the Earth.
>>>>
>>>> The interior is impossible to access.
>>>>
>>>> But it would be eventually be possible to measure changes of the
>>>> diameter of the Earth indirectly.
>>>>
>>>> How could the GPS system be used to measure such changes?
>>>
>>> Thomas, please.
>>> The GPS orbit is well known, including the orbit path circumference and
>>> its diameter, which means that the location of the center of the earth
>>> is well known just because of the circle the satellites travel through.
>>
>> Simply not true, since in reality they use 'differential GPS' for high
>> precision measurements:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> "DGPS uses a network of fixed, ground-based reference stations to
>> broadcast the difference between the positions indicated by the GPS
>> satellite systems and the known fixed positions."
>>
>>   From 'fixed known positions' follows the inability to measure changes
>> of those positions.
>>
>> This is so, because 'known fixed position' is an axiom, on which further
>> measurements are based.
>>
>> If these positions would in fact change, you need something else as
>> reference.
>>
>> This could actually be the orbit itself. But this is not usable for high
>> precision measurements, because it would allow only a precision in the
>> range of 15 m (not the required mm).
>>
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> Nonsense. We have in Chile a network of GPS-based earthquake stations which are being used to monitor small ground displacements (of the mm scale). Besides that INSAR techniques can measure millimetre-scale changes in deformation over spans of days to years.


'Changes' means, that a difference occurs, which the GPS-system is able 
to detect.

These changes are not absolute values. What we're talking about is the 
radius of the Earth. Since the reference is the surface of Earth, these 
changes are not a measurement of the diameter itself, but based on a 
reference point on top of a radius.

But 'Odd Bodkin' claimed, that GPS could measure the diameter to this 
precision. This I have rejected, since GPS does not measure the Earth' 
diameter at all.

Actually it's even more complicated, since the meter itself is based on 
the size of the Earth, as it was once defined as 10 millionth part of 
the distance from pole to equator (along the meridian through Paris).

According to this definition: if the Earth would grow, than also the meter.

Now the meter is defined by means of light and as fraction of a 
light-second.

Unfortunately the length of a second is also a function of hight (as 
seen in the experiments at the Harvard towers).

So we had use other means and show Growing Earth in the fossil records 
or in geological formations.

This could be done by searching for marine fossils in high places, like 
mountains.

And - sure - we find fish-bones and shells in all sort of high places. 
Also sand and pebbles are found in several locations, where today is no 
water.

Other possibility: ancient harbours.

E.g. it is actually possible to interpret certain ruins as harbours, 
even if they sit on a mountain top.

Direct measurement is actually difficult, since these changes are VERY 
slow and GPS didn't exist a million years ago. (Actually it didn't even 
exist a thousand years ago - not even one hundred).

TH

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#387585

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> Nonsense. We have in Chile a network of GPS-based earthquake stations
>> which are being used to monitor small ground displacements (of the mm
>> scale). Besides that INSAR techniques can measure millimetre-scale
>> changes in deformation over spans of days to years.

This man is insane. That would require Dynamic Laser Scattering (thick 
fluids). He knows nothing about Physics

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#387621

Am 11.07.2016 17:31, schrieb Jack Chardy:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>> Nonsense. We have in Chile a network of GPS-based earthquake stations
>>> which are being used to monitor small ground displacements (of the mm
>>> scale). Besides that INSAR techniques can measure millimetre-scale
>>> changes in deformation over spans of days to years.
>
> This man is insane. That would require Dynamic Laser Scattering (thick
> fluids). He knows nothing about Physics

If you combine my name (Thomas Heger) and a quote from someone else 
('paparious') you give the impression you want to address me with 'insane'.

So: this was NOT my statement and I have already rejected it.

I claimed, that the diameter of the Earth is hard to measure directly. 
It is possible to measure changes in respect to reference point on the 
surface.

But a problem occurs, if GPS should measure changes of these reference 
points in respect to the centre of the Earth.


TH

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#386431

On June 18, Thomas Heger wrote:
> This hypothesis 'rising landmass' is a completely silly idea, since land 
> is actually the crust of planet Earth. And the crust does not lift and 
> float away.

Paging Dr. Einstein and Dr. Darwin - add Alfred Wegener 
to the Society of Kook Magnets - 

--
Rich

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#386547

Am 21.06.2016 22:32, schrieb RichD:

>> This hypothesis 'rising landmass' is a completely silly idea, since land
>> is actually the crust of planet Earth. And the crust does not lift and
>> float away.
>
> Paging Dr. Einstein and Dr. Darwin - add Alfred Wegener
> to the Society of Kook Magnets -

In the line of succession of Charles Darwin we actually find Naziism.

In my opinion it is scientific fraud, committed to promote a certain 
agenda, which violates facts and essential human interests.

Darwin rejected the idea of cooperation and claimed instead, that 
species are created by survival of the fittest.

This is plain wrong and is in guise the Nazi ideology.

 From Darwin we could draw a line to Thomas Huxley, who was called 
'Darwin's bulldog'. Huxley was member of the so called 'X-Club' to which 
also Geaubineau belonged. That French guy wrote pamphlets about the 
'better races'. And from there the idea mutated to the books of Houston 
Steward Chamberlain, who was son in law of Richard Wagner and kind of 
master ideologist of the Nazis.

(btw: I personally think, that Huxley's grandson Noel Trevenen Huxley 
was the British spy commonly known as 'Hitler'. He was implemented in 
the helper family of the Wagners in Munich by his spy brother Julian 
Huxley (head of 'Eugenics'). Julian Huxley went there in 1913 for a year.

Hitler address in Munich was actually the same as the address of Isolde 
Beidler, who was a daughter of Richard Wagner. )


In real nature we have another principle as dominating (rather than 
competition):  cooperation of some kind.

Cooperation comes is several degrees and varies from coexistence to 
love. Also symbiotic processes are abundant in nature. So 'egoistic' 
species are not the predominant behaviour of what we find  in nature.

So Darwinism has to be regarded as part of an ideology, which is 
predominantly British and part of the specific class system, they have 
in England.

This ideology has brought us as unbelievable misbehaviour as 
'hooliganism', where the members of the lower classes beat up  themselves.


TH

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