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  How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;?  The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-27 17:24 -0800
    How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;?  The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:44 -0800
      Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;?  The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-27 17:52 -0800
    Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-28 13:10 +1100
      Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-28 08:47 -0800
        Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-29 10:54 +1100
          Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-28 17:50 -0800
            Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-29 13:24 +1100
              Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-29 11:07 -0800
                Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-30 22:14 +1100
                  Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-30 09:46 -0800
                    Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-31 16:39 +1100
    Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;?  The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:18 -0800
      Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;?  The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-30 13:10 -0800
        Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;?  The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality... "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 16:09 -0800

#374983 — How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

How can speeding up contract one dimension of 3 which together are inseparable? 
NO. This is not even believable... that the universe can go lopsided in
one dimension and somehow that works out in order for the whole of the
hypersphere boundary closed universe...

Like the thread title how can even our own body motion do it to the rest
around you local close and nonlocal far away in curved distance?

You could arrive much faster by that contracted direction and slow rate...
that speed programs in Gamma math.
Why would space contract behind you?
Twins passing each other have a difference in rate and kinetic energy
by their own local motions like your body(similar to light's having its own speed)
The rest of material has its own local motions. Atom's have mathematical absolute speeds that program their rate and energies.

Relativity ought to be questioned by the genius...
and John Nash did...

Einstein's 1905 paper addendum shows the absolute space was his option.
The world though held him to his most complicated and were his judge.
He is proven right in history by quantum mechanics leaving statistics
behind for another higher mathematical order.

The world had to be as smart as their genius and that is not reality.
But they need to know as the world got it wrong in rejecting absolute order
for something less.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#374986

Why would space contract behind you?
Increasing Entropy

Dropping vacuum impedance = less energy per unit volume 
Space length^3 = kinetic energy
Mass = entropy 

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#374987

On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 5:44:30 PM UTC-8, David Fuller wrote:
> Why would space contract behind you?
> Increasing Entropy

Spreading out is expansion...

Space itself contracts. But you're comparing Entropy to thermodynamics and expansion. The association is backward...
No. The lopsided one of three dimensions is not order.

> 
> Dropping vacuum impedance = less energy per unit volume 
> Space length^3 = kinetic energy
> Mass = entropy

Its grey Its in the order of the mix.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#374988 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

On 28/01/2016 12:24 PM, jamesl51165@gmail.com wrote:
> How can speeding up contract one dimension of 3 which together are inseparable?
> NO. This is not even believable... that the universe can go lopsided in
> one dimension and somehow that works out in order for the whole of the
> hypersphere boundary closed universe...
>
> Like the thread title how can even our own body motion do it to the rest
> around you local close and nonlocal far away in curved distance?
>
> You could arrive much faster by that contracted direction and slow rate...
> that speed programs in Gamma math.
> Why would space contract behind you?
> Twins passing each other have a difference in rate and kinetic energy
> by their own local motions like your body(similar to light's having its own speed)
> The rest of material has its own local motions. Atom's have mathematical absolute speeds that program their rate and energies.
>
> Relativity ought to be questioned by the genius...
> and John Nash did...
>
> Einstein's 1905 paper addendum shows the absolute space was his option.
> The world though held him to his most complicated and were his judge.
> He is proven right in history by quantum mechanics leaving statistics
> behind for another higher mathematical order.
>
> The world had to be as smart as their genius and that is not reality.
> But they need to know as the world got it wrong in rejecting absolute order
> for something less.
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
>

Fairly typical rant from someone who's not bothered to study the 
material in any detail (or even at all, I suspect).

Sylvia.

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#375042 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

> > How can speeding up contract one dimension of 3 which together are inseparable?
> > NO. This is not even believable... that the universe can go lopsided in
> > one dimension and somehow that works out in order for the whole of the
> > hypersphere boundary closed universe...
> >
> > Like the thread title how can even our own body motion do it to the rest
> > around you local close and nonlocal far away in curved distance?
> >
> > You could arrive much faster by that contracted direction and slow rate...
> > that speed programs in Gamma math.
> > Why would space contract behind you?
> > Twins passing each other have a difference in rate and kinetic energy
> > by their own local motions like your body(similar to light's having its own speed)
> > The rest of material has its own local motions. Atom's have mathematical absolute speeds that program their rate and energies.
> >
> > Relativity ought to be questioned by the genius...
> > and John Nash did...
> >
> > Einstein's 1905 paper addendum shows the absolute space was his option.
> > The world though held him to his most complicated and were his judge.
> > He is proven right in history by quantum mechanics leaving statistics
> > behind for another higher mathematical order.
> >
> > The world had to be as smart as their genius and that is not reality.
> > But they need to know as the world got it wrong in rejecting absolute order
> > for something less.
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> >
> 
> Fairly typical rant from someone who's not bothered to study the 
> material in any detail (or even at all, I suspect).
> 
> Sylvia.

The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#375084 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

On 29/01/2016 3:47 AM, jamesl51165@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>
> The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
>

That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.

Sylvia.

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#375092 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

> >>
> >
> > The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
> >
> 
> That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.
> 
> Sylvia.

Space contraction by local motion cannot shrink the universe..
One dimension out of three would be lopsided.
This is not universal order. It is false. Something
else is happening.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#375094 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

On 29/01/2016 12:50 PM, jamesl51165@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
>>>
>>
>> That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Space contraction by local motion cannot shrink the universe..

Do you think that relativity says that it does? You are very mistaken. A 
little study on your part wouldn't go amiss.

Sylvia.

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#375171 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > Space contraction by local motion cannot shrink the universe..
> 
> Do you think that relativity says that it does? You are very mistaken. A 
> little study on your part wouldn't go amiss.
> 
> Sylvia.

That is upside down. The contraction effects is considered relativistic.
Sylvia you are absurd to push something that isn't true about Einstein's
theory. You can blame me...!

Mitchell Raemsch

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#375212 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

On 30/01/2016 6:07 AM, jamesl51165@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Space contraction by local motion cannot shrink the universe..
>>
>> Do you think that relativity says that it does? You are very mistaken. A
>> little study on your part wouldn't go amiss.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> That is upside down. The contraction effects is considered relativistic.
> Sylvia you are absurd to push something that isn't true about Einstein's
> theory. You can blame me...!

Relativistic contraction is part of attempt by popular science authors 
to explain in words something that can really only be properly explained 
using mathematics. In the process, they sow much misunderstanding of 
what relativity is about.

Nothing gets shortened, squeezed, squashed, or whatever, as a result of 
relativity. That's not what it says. But you really have to study the 
math to grasp it.

Sylvia.

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#375239 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 3:15:01 AM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sylvia.
> >>>
> >>> Space contraction by local motion cannot shrink the universe..
> >>
> >> Do you think that relativity says that it does? You are very mistaken. A
> >> little study on your part wouldn't go amiss.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > That is upside down. The contraction effects is considered relativistic.
> > Sylvia you are absurd to push something that isn't true about Einstein's
> > theory. You can blame me...!
> 
> Relativistic contraction is part of attempt by popular science authors 
> to explain in words something that can really only be properly explained 
> using mathematics. In the process, they sow much misunderstanding of 
> what relativity is about.
> 
> Nothing gets shortened, squeezed, squashed, or whatever, as a result of 
> relativity. That's not what it says. But you really have to study the 
> math to grasp it.
> 
> Sylvia.

Then where is the contraction? If you can't say where it is
of what evidence of proof do you have from that theory?

The only contraction is temporal. Time order slows down
in gravity strength and shared atom's motion. Gravity and motions
both slow rate for the atom. 

Mitchell Raemsch

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#375283 — Re: How much space contraction does your own body movement cause;? The universe is not lopsided in dimensionality...

On 31/01/2016 4:46 AM, jamesl51165@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 3:15:01 AM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lopsided universe doesn't exist. The closed one does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's no more comprehensible than your previous effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Space contraction by local motion cannot shrink the universe..
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that relativity says that it does? You are very mistaken. A
>>>> little study on your part wouldn't go amiss.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> That is upside down. The contraction effects is considered relativistic.
>>> Sylvia you are absurd to push something that isn't true about Einstein's
>>> theory. You can blame me...!
>>
>> Relativistic contraction is part of attempt by popular science authors
>> to explain in words something that can really only be properly explained
>> using mathematics. In the process, they sow much misunderstanding of
>> what relativity is about.
>>
>> Nothing gets shortened, squeezed, squashed, or whatever, as a result of
>> relativity. That's not what it says. But you really have to study the
>> math to grasp it.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Then where is the contraction? If you can't say where it is
> of what evidence of proof do you have from that theory?
>
> The only contraction is temporal. Time order slows down
> in gravity strength and shared atom's motion. Gravity and motions
> both slow rate for the atom.
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
>

Special relativity describes the relationship between measurements made 
in one frame and the corresponding measurements made in another frame. 
In general, the results vary in different frames, and where a result 
comes from measuring a length, there is a tendency for the popular 
science media to describe the lower result as being a contraction.

But it really isn't, and there are no physical changes.

As I said, you need to study the math to grasp it.

For such an important theory, the math is very straight forward (compare 
and contrast with quantum mechanics). There's really no excuse for not 
studying it before expounding on it.

Sylvia.

Sylvia.

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#375245

On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 5:24:06 PM UTC-8, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> How can speeding up contract one dimension of 3 which together are inseparable? 
> NO. This is not even believable... that the universe can go lopsided in
> one dimension and somehow that works out in order for the whole of the
> hypersphere boundary closed universe...
> 
> Like the thread title how can even our own body motion do it to the rest
> around you local close and nonlocal far away in curved distance?
> 
> You could arrive much faster by that contracted direction and slow rate...
> that speed programs in Gamma math.
> Why would space contract behind you?
> Twins passing each other have a difference in rate and kinetic energy
> by their own local motions like your body(similar to light's having its own speed)
> The rest of material has its own local motions. Atom's have mathematical absolute speeds that program their rate and energies.
> 
> Relativity ought to be questioned by the genius...
> and John Nash did...
> 
> Einstein's 1905 paper addendum shows the absolute space was his option.
> The world though held him to his most complicated and were his judge.
> He is proven right in history by quantum mechanics leaving statistics
> behind for another higher mathematical order.
> 
> The world had to be as smart as their genius and that is not reality.
> But they need to know as the world got it wrong in rejecting absolute order
> for something less.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

It seems that if you gain enough speed, 
it forms a reference frame in front of you, 
and seems to draw with in your surroundings.

That's of course a relativistic effect and 
not in classical regimes, where the faster 
you go the more you leave.  It is that 
getting up to 0.5c sees your presence drawing 
all what's behind you would have light going 
away from it at c.

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#375256

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 11:18:55 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 5:24:06 PM UTC-8, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> > How can speeding up contract one dimension of 3 which together are inseparable? 
> > NO. This is not even believable... that the universe can go lopsided in
> > one dimension and somehow that works out in order for the whole of the
> > hypersphere boundary closed universe...
> > 
> > Like the thread title how can even our own body motion do it to the rest
> > around you local close and nonlocal far away in curved distance?
> > 
> > You could arrive much faster by that contracted direction and slow rate...
> > that speed programs in Gamma math.
> > Why would space contract behind you?
> > Twins passing each other have a difference in rate and kinetic energy
> > by their own local motions like your body(similar to light's having its own speed)
> > The rest of material has its own local motions. Atom's have mathematical absolute speeds that program their rate and energies.
> > 
> > Relativity ought to be questioned by the genius...
> > and John Nash did...
> > 
> > Einstein's 1905 paper addendum shows the absolute space was his option.
> > The world though held him to his most complicated and were his judge.
> > He is proven right in history by quantum mechanics leaving statistics
> > behind for another higher mathematical order.
> > 
> > The world had to be as smart as their genius and that is not reality.
> > But they need to know as the world got it wrong in rejecting absolute order
> > for something less.
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> It seems that if you gain enough speed, 
> it forms a reference frame in front of you, 
> and seems to draw with in your surroundings.
> 
> That's of course a relativistic effect and 
> not in classical regimes, where the faster 
> you go the more you leave.  It is that 
> getting up to 0.5c sees your presence drawing 
> all what's behind you would have light going 
> away from it at c.

If space contracts why is there an opposite appearance of
motion around you when you begin to move?
On the freeway things in the distance slow down in
their appearance of backward movement.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#375268

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 1:10:15 PM UTC-8, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 11:18:55 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 5:24:06 PM UTC-8, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > How can speeding up contract one dimension of 3 which together are inseparable? 
> > > NO. This is not even believable... that the universe can go lopsided in
> > > one dimension and somehow that works out in order for the whole of the
> > > hypersphere boundary closed universe...
> > > 
> > > Like the thread title how can even our own body motion do it to the rest
> > > around you local close and nonlocal far away in curved distance?
> > > 
> > > You could arrive much faster by that contracted direction and slow rate...
> > > that speed programs in Gamma math.
> > > Why would space contract behind you?
> > > Twins passing each other have a difference in rate and kinetic energy
> > > by their own local motions like your body(similar to light's having its own speed)
> > > The rest of material has its own local motions. Atom's have mathematical absolute speeds that program their rate and energies.
> > > 
> > > Relativity ought to be questioned by the genius...
> > > and John Nash did...
> > > 
> > > Einstein's 1905 paper addendum shows the absolute space was his option.
> > > The world though held him to his most complicated and were his judge.
> > > He is proven right in history by quantum mechanics leaving statistics
> > > behind for another higher mathematical order.
> > > 
> > > The world had to be as smart as their genius and that is not reality.
> > > But they need to know as the world got it wrong in rejecting absolute order
> > > for something less.
> > > 
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 
> > It seems that if you gain enough speed, 
> > it forms a reference frame in front of you, 
> > and seems to draw with in your surroundings.
> > 
> > That's of course a relativistic effect and 
> > not in classical regimes, where the faster 
> > you go the more you leave.  It is that 
> > getting up to 0.5c sees your presence drawing 
> > all what's behind you would have light going 
> > away from it at c.
> 
> If space contracts why is there an opposite appearance of
> motion around you when you begin to move?
> On the freeway things in the distance slow down in
> their appearance of backward movement.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

It doesn't, with a "flat" space-time, or for 
Einstein's greatest "blunder":  the cosmological 
constant, being a mathematical infinitesimal.

Mathematics _owes_ physics what this is.

Space is pretty much flat, and mostly quite 
full of stuff (even where it's very sparse 
in the hard vacuum of space), space-time isn't 
"flat" nor "curved" - it's right in the middle.

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