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Space time as a Perfect Fluid

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  Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 07:34 -0700
    Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 07:43 -0700
    Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 07:57 -0700
      Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 08:01 -0700
      Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 08:03 -0700
    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-27 17:04 +0000
      Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 10:15 -0700
        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 10:19 -0700
        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-27 17:23 +0000
      Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-27 23:42 +0200
        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 14:49 -0700
          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-28 10:29 +0200
            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-28 06:26 -0700
              Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-28 06:33 -0700
                Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-28 07:20 -0700
                  Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-28 07:57 -0700
                    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-28 09:02 -0700
                    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-28 09:08 -0700
          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-28 12:17 +0000
            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-28 12:27 +0000
    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-05-27 20:19 +0200
      Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 11:37 -0700
        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 15:39 -0700
          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:16 -0700
      Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 12:08 -0700
        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-05-30 15:47 +0200
          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-30 07:00 -0700
            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-31 05:56 -0700
              Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-31 06:16 -0700
                Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-31 06:49 -0700
                Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-31 10:03 -0700
                  Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-02 08:02 -0700
                    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-02 08:27 -0700
                    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-02 08:28 -0700
                      Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-02 10:44 -0700
                        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-02 11:42 -0700
                          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-02 22:47 -0700
                            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-03 04:42 -0700
                              Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-03 07:58 -0700
                              Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-03 11:28 -0700
                                Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-03 19:17 -0700
                            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 12:35 -0700
                              Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-04 17:29 -0700
                                Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-04 17:38 -0700
                                  Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-04 19:46 -0700
                                    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-05 10:45 -0700
                                      Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-05 11:19 -0700
                                        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-05 13:58 -0700
                                          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-06 06:32 -0700
                                            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:34 -0700
                                            Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:41 -0700
    Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-29 07:42 -0700
    Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-19 08:16 -0700
      Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-19 08:21 -0700
        Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-19 08:31 -0700
    Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:36 -0700
      Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-19 10:18 -0700
        Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-19 11:19 -0700
          Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-21 08:27 -0700
            Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-21 08:55 -0700
              Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:41 -0700
                Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-21 13:29 -0700
                  Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-21 13:42 -0700
    Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-21 20:18 -0700
      Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-24 20:03 -0700
        Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-24 20:07 -0700
          Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-26 09:18 -0700
        Re: Space time as a Perfect Fluid "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-02 09:17 -0700
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#420759 — Space time as a Perfect Fluid

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 07:34 -0700
SubjectSpace time as a Perfect Fluid
Message-ID<50058846-d36a-4165-a7fd-baabf7ef890b@googlegroups.com>
In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic pressure p. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fluid 


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/StressEnergyTensor_contravariant.svg/1024px-StressEnergyTensor_contravariant.svg.png 

Density = 3.71295775e-28 (kg/m^3) 

Pressure = (6.6740800122e-11/2) (newtons/m^2) = pascals 

3.71295775e-28 kg * c^2 * (pi *376.730313462) =  246.508252 GeV 

(((246.508252 GeV) / (c^2)) / (3.71295775e-28 kg)) / pi = 376.730313 


Liquid Helium II the superfluid (Second sound) 


https://youtube.com/watch?v=NjPFfT2EyxQ 


((1 bar) / (118.906064 (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) = 29 m/s

((14.5037738 psi) / (118.90606 (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) =29 m/s

((1e+5 pascals) / (118.90606 (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) = 29 m/s

((6.67408e-11/2) (N / (m^2))) / (1 bar) = 3.33704e-16 


SuperFluid helium

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.6924.pdf 

Incompressible Rindler fluid versus the Schwarzschild-AdS fluid

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#420764

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 07:43 -0700
Message-ID<c13bdac4-70d9-42de-b191-26787d84c985@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420759
Unified Field Theorem

Pressure inside the core of a white dwarf at the Chandrasekhar limit = 2.3e+29 Pascals 

1 / ((((2 * c) * 376.730313462) / G) / ((4 * pi) / (10^7))) = 3.71295774e-28 kg/m^3 

GravitoMagnetic Aether 

(3.71295774e-28 kg) * (2 * c) * ((376.730313462 / (4pi/10^7)) / G) = 1 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann_equations#Density_parameter 

Mass per cubic meter 

Black hole = http://vixra.org/pdf/1310.0191vD.pdf 

https://sites.google.com/site/lordkronosprime/friedmann-density-kg 

((2^0.5) * 376.730313462) / ((0.5 * 3.712958e-28) * kg) = 2.86982572e+30 kg 

(2.86982572e+30 kg) / (1 solar mass) = 1.44277599 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Astro/whdwar.html#c1 


Electron Degeneracy 

Electron degeneracy is a stellar application of the Pauli Exclusion Principle, as is neutron degeneracy. No two electrons can occupy identical states, even under the pressure of a collapsing star of several solar masses. For stellar masses less than about 1.44 solar masses, the energy from the gravitational collapse is not sufficient to produce the neutrons of a neutron star, so the collapse is halted by electron degeneracy to form white dwarfs. This maximum mass for a white dwarf is called the Chandrasekhar limit. As the star contracts, all the lowest electron energy levels are filled and the electrons are forced into higher and higher energy levels, filling the lowest unoccupied energy levels. This creates an effective pressure which prevents further gravitational collapse. 

 
Pressure inside the core of a white dwarf at the Chandrasekhar limit = 2.3e+29 Pascals

1 / ((((2^0.5) * pi) * 3.712958e-28 kg) / 376.730313462) = 2.28373475e+29 kg 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(pressure) 

(29.9792458 * (8^0.5)) / (3.712958e-28 pascals) = 2.28373475e+29 pascals 

(1 pascal) / (1 kilogram) = 1 m/s^2 

(((2^(7 / 2)) * 376.730313462) / ((2 * G) / (c^2))) / (1 solar mass) = 1.44277609 Solar mass 

((2^(7 / 2)) * 376.730313462) / ((2 * G) / (c^2)) = 
2.86982592e+30 kg  = 1.44 solar mass 


(2^(7/2) * (4pi/10^7 henries) / ((2 * G) / (c^3)) 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Astro/whdwar.html 

(((8.85418782e-12 * (4pi/10^7)) / 2) * G) * (c^2) = 3.33704e-11 Joules 

3.33704e-11 (joules / (meter^3)) = 3.33704e-11 pascals 

https://goo.gl/photos/asMLdBuJUK718FPw9 

No hair theorem

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#420767

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 07:57 -0700
Message-ID<dfe6395b-bd68-4ed3-91be-41be07be3bd9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420759
Liquid Helium II the superfluid (Second sound) 


https://youtube.com/watch?v=NjPFfT2EyxQ 


((1 bar) / (118.906064 (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) = 29 m/s 

((14.5037738 psi) / (118.90606 (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) =29 m/s 

((1e+5 pascals) / (118.90606 (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) = 29 m/s 

((6.67408e-11/2) (N / (m^2))) / (1 bar) = 3.33704e-16 

SuperFluid helium

((1e+5 pascals) / (250 * (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) = 20 m/s

250 kg / 2 = 125 kg per m^3 = liquid Helium

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#420768

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 08:01 -0700
Message-ID<004c2353-61f0-4b7e-b044-474c035eabd6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420767
250 kg / 2 = 125 kg per m^3 = liquid Helium 

Density, Liquid @ B.P., 1 atm. (124.98 kg/m^3)

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#420769

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 08:03 -0700
Message-ID<3513816c-d269-4923-9899-576cdfda353c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420767
The vacuum of Space Time is the Field of a Black Hole. 

http://vixra.org/pdf/1310.0191vD.pdf

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#420782

FromSienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po>
Date2017-05-27 17:04 +0000
Message-ID<ogcbi2$10db$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#420759
David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:

> In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
> characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic pressure
> p.

Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.

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#420783

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 10:15 -0700
Message-ID<73916f27-6129-4e33-8d7c-f9afc15a247a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420782
On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:04:05 PM UTC-5, Sienkiewicz Emniak wrote:
> David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> 
> > In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
> > characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic pressure
> > p.
> 
> Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.

If the Fluid was Completely in-compressible, the Wave speed would be infinite

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#420784

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 10:19 -0700
Message-ID<5d154286-e75f-416f-8ee0-2a266dc13831@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420783
On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:15:19 PM UTC-5, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:04:05 PM UTC-5, Sienkiewicz Emniak wrote:
> > David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> > 
> > > In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
> > > characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic pressure
> > > p.
> > 
> > Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.
> 
> If the Fluid was Completely in-compressible, the Wave speed would be infinite

The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg

Lower the Mass density and the wave speed rises.


(((6.6740800122e-11)/2 (newtons / (meters^2))) / (3.71295775e-28 (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s 

(((6.6740800122e-11 / 2) * (newtons / (meters^2))) / ((3.71295775e-28 / 100) * (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 2.99792458e+9 m / s

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#420785

FromSienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po>
Date2017-05-27 17:23 +0000
Message-ID<ogccls$129r$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#420783
David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:

> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:04:05 PM UTC-5, Sienkiewicz Emniak
> wrote:
>> David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>> 
>> > In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
>> > characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic
>> > pressure p.
>> 
>> Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.
> 
> If the Fluid was Completely in-compressible, the Wave speed would be
> infinite

You said 'perfect'. I guess we have no choice, then.

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#420815

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2017-05-27 23:42 +0200
Message-ID<747973385.0ifERbkFSE@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#420782
The ’nym-shifting troll wrote as "Sienkiewicz Emniak":

> David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>> In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
>> characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic pressure
>> p.

Correct(ly copypasted from the Wikipedia article):

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fluid>

See also: <https://www.britannica.com/science/fluid-physics#ref176739>
 
> Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.

Nonsense.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid>

*PLONK*

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#420816

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 14:49 -0700
Message-ID<bba1dfb4-1dd1-498e-bc23-c90b87cbb8b5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420815
On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> The ’nym-shifting troll wrote as "Sienkiewicz Emniak":
> 
> > David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> >> In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
> >> characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic pressure
> >> p.
> 
> Correct(ly copypasted from the Wikipedia article):
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fluid>
> 
> See also: <https://www.britannica.com/science/fluid-physics#ref176739>
>  
> > Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.
> 
> Nonsense.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid>
> 
> *PLONK*
> 
> -- 
> PointedEars
> 
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

DipShit Sienkiewicz Emniak wrote:	

Not so. It has to be 100% in-compressible.



David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote: 

The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg 

Lower the Mass density and the wave speed rises. 

Raise the Mass density and the wave speed Drops.

(((6.6740800122e-11)/2 (newtons / (meters^2))) / (3.71295775e-28 (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s 

(((6.6740800122e-11 / 2) * (newtons / (meters^2))) / ((3.71295775e-28 / 100) * (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 2.99792458e+9 m / s

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#420832

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2017-05-28 10:29 +0200
Message-ID<4777063.Sb9uPGUboI@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#420816
David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:

> The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg

What fluid would that be?
 
> Lower the Mass density and the wave speed rises.
> 
> Raise the Mass density and the wave speed Drops.

That depends on the type of the wave.

For example, gravitational waves always propagate at the speed of light, no 
matter the mass density of the medium.

As for the speed of light c, which is determined by the refractive index n 
of the medium instead (c = c₀∕n, where c₀ is the speed of light in vacuum), 
there is no correlation between the refractive index of a medium and its 
mass density.  For example:

  ------------------------------------------------------
  Medium     Refractive index    Mass density
  ------------------------------------------------------
  Water      1.333               0.9998396 g/cm³ at 0 °C
  Ethanol    1.3611              0.7893    g/cm³
  ------------------------------------------------------

  (from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index> pp.)

Ethanol has a slightly greater refractive index than water (at 0 °C), 
therefore the speed of light is slightly lower in it than in water; but it 
has *less* mass density than water.  So what you claim is certainly not true 
for the “wave speed” of light if “wave speed” is understood as “phase speed 
of the wave”.

> [pseudophysics]

Please don’t.

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#420845

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-28 06:26 -0700
Message-ID<5ae15715-4fb4-403a-8a88-122ba0f75f43@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420832
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote: 

> The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg 

What fluid would that be? 
  
> Lower the Mass density and the wave speed rises. 
> 
> Raise the Mass density and the wave speed Drops. 

That depends on the type of the wave. 

For example, gravitational waves always propagate at the speed of light, no 
matter the mass density of the medium. 

As for the speed of light c, which is determined by the refractive index n 
of the medium instead (c = c₀∕n, where c₀ is the speed of light in vacuum), 
there is no correlation between the refractive index of a medium and its 
mass density.  For example: 

  ------------------------------------------------------ 
  Medium     Refractive index    Mass density 
  ------------------------------------------------------ 
  Water      1.333               0.9998396 g/cm³ at 0 °C
  Ethanol    1.3611              0.7893    g/cm³ 
  ------------------------------------------------------ 

  (from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index> pp.) 

Ethanol has a slightly greater refractive index than water (at 0 °C), 
therefore the speed of light is slightly lower in it than in water; but it 
has *less* mass density than water.  So what you claim is certainly not true 
for the “wave speed” of light if “wave speed” is understood as “phase speed 
of the wave”. 

> [pseudophysics] 

Please don’t. 

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Hello

No, it has Nothing to do with refractive index. 
Please read about a theoretic "Perfect Fluid"

You can watch the SuperFluid helium video if you need to. 
P-Wave speed derived solely from mass density & isotopic pressure  


Liquid Helium II the superfluid (Second sound) 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NjPFfT2EyxQ


((6.67408e-11/2) (N / (m^2))) / (1 bar) = 3.33704e-16 

SuperFluid helium 

((1e+5 pascals) / (250 * (kg / (m^3))))^(1 / 2) = 20 m/s 


250 kg / 2 = 125 kg per m^3 = liquid Helium 

Density, Liquid @ B.P., 1 atm. (124.98 kg/m^3)

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#420847

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-28 06:33 -0700
Message-ID<df03873e-0a47-44b7-a020-a65632dc5815@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420845
http://www.astro.uwo.ca/~jlandstr/planets/webfigs/earth/images/waves.gif

I would speculate that....
The "High density portion" of the (p-wave disturbance) is Energy 

The "Low density portion" of the (p-wave disturbance) is Gravitational

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#420851

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-28 07:20 -0700
Message-ID<8e091d84-1dbc-4f19-ace3-5a000039077b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420847
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote 

David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote: 

> The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg 

What fluid would that be? 

Some type of fluid with a mass density that would be found inside a dwarf star at the chandrasakr limit .... "black hole Juice"


https://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.6924.pdf 

Incompressible Rindler fluid versus the Schwarzschild-AdS fluid

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#420852

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-28 07:57 -0700
Message-ID<cafdc834-f466-4131-9baf-0a67e7d8f8c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420851
The Fluid would be an inertial inversion of a Fluid made out of Neutrons after Electron Degeneracy

It would essentially be "Liquid Time Dilation"

((2^0.5) * 376.730313462) / ((0.5 * 3.712958e-28) * kg) = 2.86982572e+30 kg 

(2.86982572e+30 kg) / (1 solar mass) = 1.44277599 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Astro/whdwar.html#c1 


Electron Degeneracy 

Electron degeneracy is a stellar application of the Pauli Exclusion Principle, as is neutron degeneracy. No two electrons can occupy identical states, even under the pressure of a collapsing star of several solar masses. For stellar masses less than about 1.44 solar masses, the energy from the gravitational collapse is not sufficient to produce the neutrons of a neutron star, so the collapse is halted by electron degeneracy to form white dwarfs. This maximum mass for a white dwarf is called the Chandrasekhar limit. As the star contracts, all the lowest electron energy levels are filled and the electrons are forced into higher and higher energy levels, filling the lowest unoccupied energy levels. This creates an effective pressure which prevents further gravitational collapse. 

2.3e+29 Pa   
Pressure inside the core of a white dwarf at the Chandrasekhar limit 

1 / ((((2^0.5) * pi) * 3.712958e-28 kg) / 376.730313462) = 2.28373475e+29 kg 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(pressure) 

(29.9792458 * (8^0.5)) / (3.712958e-28 pascals) = 2.28373475e+29 pascals 

(1 pascal) / (1 kilogram) = 1 m/s^2 

(((2^(7 / 2)) * 376.730313462) / ((2 * G) / (c^2))) / (1 solar mass) = 1.44277609 Solar mass 

((2^(7 / 2)) * 376.730313462) / ((2 * G) / (c^2)) = 
2.86982592e+30 kg  = 1.44 solar mass 


(2^(7/2) * (4pi/10^7 henries) / ((2 * G) / (c^3)) 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Astro/whdwar.html 

(((8.85418782e-12 * (4pi/10^7)) / 2) * G) * (c^2) = 3.33704e-11 Joules 

3.33704e-11 (joules / (meter^3)) = 3.33704e-11 pascals

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#420859

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-28 09:02 -0700
Message-ID<ad5f5a88-6b9c-452f-8985-14bd493428f6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420852
This gives a wave speed based Solely from the Scwartzchild Metric
(((6.6740800122e-11)/2 (newtons / (meters^2))) / (3.71295775e-28 (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s 


This gives a wave speed from an imaginary Impedance derived from the speed of light itself, which would be Circular. 
1/(e0*u0)^0.5 = 299792458 m/s

(A cubic meter of vacuum ) plus (Impedance) would effectively assign a mass value to a cubic meter of vacuum........Exactly like what the Friedmann Equations are predicting

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#420860

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-05-28 09:08 -0700
Message-ID<12452337-9e63-4302-83a5-04ae374b709c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420852
(((6.6740800122e-11)/2 (newtons / (meters^2))) / (3.71295775e-28 (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s 

If Friedmann would have realized the Above, he would have wrote it down 

But he wrote down 0.2 to 0.225 AMU because he did not spot the Scwartzchild Metric & Inertial/Elastic Modulus

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#420836

FromSienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po>
Date2017-05-28 12:17 +0000
Message-ID<ogef5d$1v82$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#420816
David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:

> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> The ’nym-shifting troll wrote as "Sienkiewicz Emniak":
>> 
>> > David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>> >> In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
>> >> characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic
>> >> pressure p.
>> 
>> Correct(ly copypasted from the Wikipedia article):
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fluid>
>> 
>> See also: <https://www.britannica.com/science/fluid-physics#ref176739>
>>  
>> > Not so. It has to be 100% incompressible.
>> 
>> Nonsense.
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid>
>> 
>> *PLONK*
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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>> E-Mail.
> David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> 
> The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg
> Lower the Mass density and the wave speed rises. 
> Raise the Mass density and the wave speed Drops.
> (((6.6740800122e-11)/2 (newtons / (meters^2))) / (3.71295775e-28 (kg /
> (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s


two brainless wikipedia imbeciles, arguing. Pointhead and Lord kronos. Lol, 
thank you guys. Entertaining. Ohh, and Potty, almost about to forget, 
another brainless wikipedia freak.

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#420838

FromSienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po>
Date2017-05-28 12:27 +0000
Message-ID<ogefoc$pt$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#420836
Sienkiewicz Emniak wrote:

> David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars'
>> Lahn wrote:
>>> The ’nym-shifting troll wrote as "Sienkiewicz Emniak":
>>> 
>>> > David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>>> >> In physics, a perfect fluid is a fluid that can be completely
>>> >> characterized by its rest frame mass density ρm and isotropic
>>> >> pressure p.
>>> Correct(ly copypasted from the Wikipedia article):
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fluid>
>> The Fluid is not completely Mass-less @ 3.71295775e-28 kg Lower the
>> Mass density and the wave speed rises.
>> Raise the Mass density and the wave speed Drops.
>> (((6.6740800122e-11)/2 (newtons / (meters^2))) / (3.71295775e-28 (kg /
>> (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s
>  
> two brainless wikipedia imbeciles, arguing. Pointhead and Lord kronos.
> Lol, thank you guys. Entertaining. Ohh, and Potty, almost about to
> forget, another brainless wikipedia freak.

And severely uneducated, not to neglect. Otherwise would have know without 
stolen crap from where else, that a perfect fluid has to be 100% 
incompressible. Their Fluid Dynamics, inherently PDE and Tensors, are nil. 
They can't model anything, Mathematically. I hate those uneducated with a 
big mouth. Are you uneducated, keep your mouth shut, and only ask 
questions, in the most submissive way possible!!

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