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  Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 11:47 -0700
    Re: Fat books Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-17 12:54 -0600
      Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-18 09:40 +1300
      Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 22:33 -0700
        Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 22:38 -0700
          Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:07 -0700
            Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-18 21:02 +1300
              Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 07:42 -0700
                Re: Fat books William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 16:42 -0400
                  Re: Fat books Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 14:48 -0600
                Re: Fat books kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 20:48 -0400
                  Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 18:56 -0700
                    Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 19:53 -0700
                    Re: Fat books Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 23:39 -0400
                      Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:51 -0700
            Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:28 +0100
              Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:33 +0800
                Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:45 +0100
                  Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:35 +0800
                    Re: Fat books Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:19 +0000
              Re: Fat books Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2026-10-18 09:04 -0700
                Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 13:02 -0700
                  Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 17:25 -0700
              Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 21:39 +0200
                Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 17:06 -0700
                Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:00 +0100
                  Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:04 +0800
                    Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-19 18:31 +0100
                      Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 05:55 +0800
                        Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-20 10:37 +0100
                      Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-20 05:39 +0200
                      Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-20 07:01 +0100
                        Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-20 08:57 +0100
                        Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-20 10:42 +0100
                        Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:51 +0800
                  Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-19 21:40 +0200
                    Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 05:58 +0800
                      Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-20 13:09 +0200
                        Re: Fat books Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-10-20 14:00 +0000
                          Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 22:06 +0800
                            Re: Fat books Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:01 +0100
                              Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:38 +0800
                          Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 07:18 -0700
                            Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:02 +0800
                          Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-20 15:15 +0100
                          Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 08:05 -0700
                            Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 08:28 -0700
                            Re: Fat books kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 12:14 -0400
                              Re: Fat books Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-10-20 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Fat books Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-10-20 12:43 -0700
                              Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:29 -0700
                                Re: Fat books Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-10-20 18:32 -0700
                                  Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-22 12:02 +1300
                                    Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 20:35 -0700
                            Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 10:28 -0700
                              Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 10:44 -0700
                                Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 01:49 +0800
                                  Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 10:59 -0700
                          Re: Fat books kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 12:13 -0400
                          Re: Fat books Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2026-10-20 09:13 -0700
                            Re: Fat books Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-10-20 09:53 -0700
            Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 19:50 -0700
    Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:59 -0700
      Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:46 +0800
        Re: Fat books William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 16:57 -0400
          Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 16:48 -0700
          Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 16:57 -0700
          Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:04 +0800
            Re: Fat books William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:09 -0400

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#674774

On 2026-10-20, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

> On 10/20/2026 10:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>
>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local church.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>>> is bunk.
>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the
>> years following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of
>> fridges in domestic use,  There was a similar increase in
>> burglaries.  In fact, there was a straight line correlation  between
>> fridges and burglaries.
>> Did one cause the other??
>
> There are some possibilities, so let's think this through.  The people
> installing the fridges also engaged in burglaries.  The people buying
> the fridges were well-to-do and prime targets for burglaries.  Then see-
> ing the fridge getting installed gave the local hooligans the idea.
>
> I guess the biggest factor is people being well-to-do makes them prime
> targets for burglaries.  Especially if they don't have security -- eith-
> er guards, or nowadays, security cameras.
>
> For that matter, I can be convinced some of the /burglars caught on sec-
> urity cameras/ were staged either by the company selling them, or the
> people who own the home.  After all, what do bored suburbanites get up
> to?
>
> So, just because there's a correlation doesn't mean there isn't a caus-
> ation; it just may not be obvious from the data at hand.

The way I read the parent post, the increase may not even be linked to
households that had acquired a fridge, merely happening in tandem with
the increase in the number of fridges.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#674779

On 10/21/2026 8:01 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-10-20, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> 
>> On 10/20/2026 10:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local church.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>>>> is bunk.
>>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>    I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the
>>> years following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of
>>> fridges in domestic use,  There was a similar increase in
>>> burglaries.  In fact, there was a straight line correlation  between
>>> fridges and burglaries.
>>> Did one cause the other??
>>
>> There are some possibilities, so let's think this through.  The people
>> installing the fridges also engaged in burglaries.  The people buying
>> the fridges were well-to-do and prime targets for burglaries.  Then see-
>> ing the fridge getting installed gave the local hooligans the idea.
>>
>> I guess the biggest factor is people being well-to-do makes them prime
>> targets for burglaries.  Especially if they don't have security -- eith-
>> er guards, or nowadays, security cameras.
>>
>> For that matter, I can be convinced some of the /burglars caught on sec-
>> urity cameras/ were staged either by the company selling them, or the
>> people who own the home.  After all, what do bored suburbanites get up
>> to?
>>
>> So, just because there's a correlation doesn't mean there isn't a caus-
>> ation; it just may not be obvious from the data at hand.
> 
> The way I read the parent post, the increase may not even be linked to
> households that had acquired a fridge, merely happening in tandem with
> the increase in the number of fridges.
> 

True.  And that supposes that more well-to-do households triggered more
burglaries.  Which tells us something.


Best wishes, and happy refrigerators!
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
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#674741

On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>
>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local church.
>>>
>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>
>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>> is bunk.
>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>
>> Jan
>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
> Did one cause the other??

"Refridgerator", agreeably, is the correct spelling of "refridgerator",
with "the fridge" being common parlance.

A.I. slop is positively correlated with the mis-spelling "refrigerator",
and "mistakes of harmonization".

Kind of like "carbeurator", though, "carburetor" is common.

What the world needs now is independent instead of monolithic "A.I.".

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#674744

On 10/20/2026 10:18 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> "Refridgerator", agreeably, is the correct spelling of "refridgerator",
> with "the fridge" being common parlance.

In Philippine English, "ref" is the common parlance.  That was a sur-
prise to me.
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

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#674743

On 2026-10-20, Charles Hope wrote:

> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:

...
>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>> is bunk.
>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>> 
>> Jan
>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years 
> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in 
> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact, 
> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
> Did one cause the other??

Were the burglars stealing fridges?


-- 
A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
                                                    ---Mark Twain

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#674745

On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>
>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local church.
>>>
>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>
>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>> is bunk.
>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>
>> Jan
>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
> Did one cause the other??


Mostly the mobility and the transience,
then also there were a lot of drug habits.

Fridges just keep food cold.

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#674746

On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>
>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local
>>>> church.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>>> is bunk.
>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>> Did one cause the other??
>
>
> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>
> Fridges just keep food cold.


It's like the old "how can you tell an old WWII vet",
"they have full dentures since their teeth rotted out".

Maybe it was the X-Rays, ....

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#674753

Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Did one cause the other??
>
>
>Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>
>Fridges just keep food cold.

But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!
--scott


-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#674762

On 20/10/2026 17:14, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Did one cause the other??
>>
>>
>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>
>> Fridges just keep food cold.
> 
> But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!
> --scott

certainly mine keeps my weekly, self inflicted, injections,>
> 

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#674763

On 10/20/26 12:15, Charles Hope wrote:
> On 20/10/2026 17:14, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Did one cause the other??
>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>>
>>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>>
>> But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!
>> --scott
> 
> certainly mine keeps my weekly, self inflicted, injections,>
>>
> 

	Burglary went up in homes with refrigerators originally
because people who bought home refrigerators had money and
possibly more valuable possessions than food.

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#674771

On 10/20/2026 09:14 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Did one cause the other??
>>
>>
>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>
>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>
> But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!
> --scott
>
>

Might as well put your head in the microwave.

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#674778

On 10/20/26 15:29, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 09:14 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Did one cause the other??
>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>>
>>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>>
>> But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!
>> --scott
>>
>>
> 
> Might as well put your head in the microwave.

	Then you must overcome the safety interlocks to run
the microwave with you head inside.
	A lot of initiative is required to boil your brain
with the microwave while a frequent slug of hard liquor will
do the job.

	Drugs is a generic term which may include insulin
and other perishable drugs.  I keep my cannabis in the
fridge which is actually in gummy candy format to make it
last at the proper strength for as long as I can.

	My dear pal mike does not keep his cannabis
pre-rolls long enough to need refrigeration AFAIK. People
who use opiates and the synthetics also tend to use it
as fast as they can get it. Meth and coke heads tend
to use it as fast as they can.
	They don't want possession charges.

	Fentanyl users don't last that long and have to
be refrigerated to keep them from smelling very bad. ;^)

	Some great SF writers have been users of hard
illegal drugs thinking  of Philip K. Dick and good old
William Burroughs. I think they might have done better
without drugs.

	For a long time the DEA successor to the old
Bureau of Narcotic Control under Harry J. Ansliner
was free to post a lot of nonsense about drugs and
it corrupted the American mind. Narcotics given for
pain may not be addictive at all.  Pain relief may
be addiction but with the Harrison Tax Act back around
2016 the social class of "junkies" was created.
	Lots of war veterans with morphine habits
used to go around to their physician's offices to
get their pain shots and suddenly they were criminals
and so were their doctors.
	Refrigerators are very handy. I wish mine was
not over-condensing but it still keeps my food cold
along with some other odds and ends.

	bliss- study, practice, experience

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#674817

On 21/10/2026 14:32, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 10/20/2026 09:14 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Fridges just keep food cold.

>>> But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!

> and other perishable drugs.  I keep my cannabis in the
> fridge which is actually in gummy candy format to make it
> last at the proper strength for as long as I can.

I don't know about gummy candy but it is my belief that the flower, the
head, keeps its strength for years just stored in a cool dark dry place.
I am in the minority believing that chilling is just another of the
mythical rituals surrounding drug use as in New Zealand the first place
that the police look when searching for drugs is the fridge or freezer.

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#674821

Titus G wrote:
> 
> On 21/10/2026 14:32, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> >> On 10/20/2026 09:14 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> >>> Ross Finlayson  <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Fridges just keep food cold.
> 
> >>> But fridges can ALSO keep your drugs cold and keep them from going bad!
> 
> > and other perishable drugs.  I keep my cannabis in the
> > fridge which is actually in gummy candy format to make it
> > last at the proper strength for as long as I can.
> 
> I don't know about gummy candy but it is my belief that the flower, the
> head, keeps its strength for years just stored in a cool dark dry place.
> I am in the minority believing that chilling is just another of the
> mythical rituals surrounding drug use as in New Zealand the first place
> that the police look when searching for drugs is the fridge or freezer.


Is it true people put batteries in the fridge to make it last longer or
reenergize?

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#674795

On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>
>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local
>>>> church.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>>> is bunk.
>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>> Did one cause the other??
>
>
> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>
> Fridges just keep food cold.


Since that time in many segments of American culture,
"the nazis & the commies" were considered antithetical
to American ideals, and the enemy of good Americans,
terrorists are small change, while yet the nazis and
the commies and their codependency with suppression &
repression and run-away filthy lucre, have it so that
the lifetime of propaganda has very firmly established
that it's virtuous to be against the nazis and the commies,
particularly those that are both, progressive radicals
of the self-serving variety.


The Bayesian, about statistics, is only a partial account,
working fine for classical probabilities, while yet there's
that continuous distributions are not modeled after counting
arguments and otherwise closed by classical probabilities.
So, not only is the statistical method a rigorous course
itself, the actual foundations of probability theory have
large gaps about the Bayesian as the inductive and empirical,
about uncertainty and chance in probability theory yet with
actual accounts of non-standard and extra-ordinary mathematics
itself, has that there are lies and lies.

Lots of people hear "Bayesian" and think "sound", yet,
it's notable that "Bayesian" is "incomplete" about the
continuous after the discrete, chopping off fingers
to infinity.

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#674797

On 10/21/2026 10:28 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local
>>>>> church.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>>>> is bunk.
>>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
>>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
>>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
>>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>>> Did one cause the other??
>>
>>
>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>
>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>
>
> Since that time in many segments of American culture,
> "the nazis & the commies" were considered antithetical
> to American ideals, and the enemy of good Americans,
> terrorists are small change, while yet the nazis and
> the commies and their codependency with suppression &
> repression and run-away filthy lucre, have it so that
> the lifetime of propaganda has very firmly established
> that it's virtuous to be against the nazis and the commies,
> particularly those that are both, progressive radicals
> of the self-serving variety.
>
>
> The Bayesian, about statistics, is only a partial account,
> working fine for classical probabilities, while yet there's
> that continuous distributions are not modeled after counting
> arguments and otherwise closed by classical probabilities.
> So, not only is the statistical method a rigorous course
> itself, the actual foundations of probability theory have
> large gaps about the Bayesian as the inductive and empirical,
> about uncertainty and chance in probability theory yet with
> actual accounts of non-standard and extra-ordinary mathematics
> itself, has that there are lies and lies.
>
> Lots of people hear "Bayesian" and think "sound", yet,
> it's notable that "Bayesian" is "incomplete" about the
> continuous after the discrete, chopping off fingers
> to infinity.
>
>
>


Recent polls show most people aren't in the vocal cohort,
and more than two-thirds of people consider themselves
reasonable common-sense moderates, given a very basic
account of equal rights & equal protections as the
cornerstone of what justness is where "democracy"
is "rule of law" with rights & protections since Aristotle,
then vis-a-vis "rule of the mob" or "rule of mob",
about majority and meritocracy, then that the
anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are
considered subject their own deconstructive account
as not pertaining to society overall and good governance,
instead as symptomatic of inefficiences in the economy.




The Bayesian as completing itself is turned over many
times in the mathematics, for example about Frege's
completeness then Russell's incompleteness then Russell's
retro-thesis of completeness then Goedel's completeness
then Goedel's incompleteness, that though for the
actual accounts of the continuous and completeness,
and then repleteness, that since antiquity there are
the multiple models of continuous domains like as for
Xenocrates and line-drawing like Hilbert's postulate
of continuity or Cavalieri's indivisibles vis-a-vis
the Eudoxan after the Archimedean the rational extension,
that the _repleteness_ of the super-standard and the
continuous, then as well for the _extra-ordinary_ of
the actually infinite then is for the _super-standard_,
since Zeno's "moving rows" and for quasi-invariant
measure theory as for real and mathematically real
accounts of convergence and emergence.


Yeah, statistics will lie if you let them.

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#674800

On 10/22/2026 1:44 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 10/21/2026 10:28 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>>>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of 
>>>>>> course --
>>>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local
>>>>>> church.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life 
>>>>> expectancy
>>>>> is bunk.
>>>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
>>>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
>>>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
>>>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>>>> Did one cause the other??
>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>>
>>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>>
>>
>> Since that time in many segments of American culture,
>> "the nazis & the commies" were considered antithetical
>> to American ideals, and the enemy of good Americans,
>> terrorists are small change, while yet the nazis and
>> the commies and their codependency with suppression &
>> repression and run-away filthy lucre, have it so that
>> the lifetime of propaganda has very firmly established
>> that it's virtuous to be against the nazis and the commies,
>> particularly those that are both, progressive radicals
>> of the self-serving variety.
>>
>>
>> The Bayesian, about statistics, is only a partial account,
>> working fine for classical probabilities, while yet there's
>> that continuous distributions are not modeled after counting
>> arguments and otherwise closed by classical probabilities.
>> So, not only is the statistical method a rigorous course
>> itself, the actual foundations of probability theory have
>> large gaps about the Bayesian as the inductive and empirical,
>> about uncertainty and chance in probability theory yet with
>> actual accounts of non-standard and extra-ordinary mathematics
>> itself, has that there are lies and lies.
>>
>> Lots of people hear "Bayesian" and think "sound", yet,
>> it's notable that "Bayesian" is "incomplete" about the
>> continuous after the discrete, chopping off fingers
>> to infinity.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Recent polls show most people aren't in the vocal cohort,
> and more than two-thirds of people consider themselves
> reasonable common-sense moderates, given a very basic
> account of equal rights & equal protections as the
> cornerstone of what justness is where "democracy"
> is "rule of law" with rights & protections since Aristotle,
> then vis-a-vis "rule of the mob" or "rule of mob",
> about majority and meritocracy, then that the
> anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are
> considered subject their own deconstructive account
> as not pertaining to society overall and good governance,
> instead as symptomatic of inefficiences in the economy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Bayesian as completing itself is turned over many
> times in the mathematics, for example about Frege's
> completeness then Russell's incompleteness then Russell's
> retro-thesis of completeness then Goedel's completeness
> then Goedel's incompleteness, that though for the
> actual accounts of the continuous and completeness,
> and then repleteness, that since antiquity there are
> the multiple models of continuous domains like as for
> Xenocrates and line-drawing like Hilbert's postulate
> of continuity or Cavalieri's indivisibles vis-a-vis
> the Eudoxan after the Archimedean the rational extension,
> that the _repleteness_ of the super-standard and the
> continuous, then as well for the _extra-ordinary_ of
> the actually infinite then is for the _super-standard_,
> since Zeno's "moving rows" and for quasi-invariant
> measure theory as for real and mathematically real
> accounts of convergence and emergence.
> 
> 
> Yeah, statistics will lie if you let them.

Can people lie with statistics without /letting them/?
-- 
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#674801

On 10/21/2026 10:49 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> On 10/22/2026 1:44 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 10/21/2026 10:28 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>>>>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of
>>>>>>> course --
>>>>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local
>>>>>>> church.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>>>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life
>>>>>> expectancy
>>>>>> is bunk.
>>>>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
>>>>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
>>>>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
>>>>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>>>>> Did one cause the other??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>>>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>>>
>>>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since that time in many segments of American culture,
>>> "the nazis & the commies" were considered antithetical
>>> to American ideals, and the enemy of good Americans,
>>> terrorists are small change, while yet the nazis and
>>> the commies and their codependency with suppression &
>>> repression and run-away filthy lucre, have it so that
>>> the lifetime of propaganda has very firmly established
>>> that it's virtuous to be against the nazis and the commies,
>>> particularly those that are both, progressive radicals
>>> of the self-serving variety.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Bayesian, about statistics, is only a partial account,
>>> working fine for classical probabilities, while yet there's
>>> that continuous distributions are not modeled after counting
>>> arguments and otherwise closed by classical probabilities.
>>> So, not only is the statistical method a rigorous course
>>> itself, the actual foundations of probability theory have
>>> large gaps about the Bayesian as the inductive and empirical,
>>> about uncertainty and chance in probability theory yet with
>>> actual accounts of non-standard and extra-ordinary mathematics
>>> itself, has that there are lies and lies.
>>>
>>> Lots of people hear "Bayesian" and think "sound", yet,
>>> it's notable that "Bayesian" is "incomplete" about the
>>> continuous after the discrete, chopping off fingers
>>> to infinity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Recent polls show most people aren't in the vocal cohort,
>> and more than two-thirds of people consider themselves
>> reasonable common-sense moderates, given a very basic
>> account of equal rights & equal protections as the
>> cornerstone of what justness is where "democracy"
>> is "rule of law" with rights & protections since Aristotle,
>> then vis-a-vis "rule of the mob" or "rule of mob",
>> about majority and meritocracy, then that the
>> anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are
>> considered subject their own deconstructive account
>> as not pertaining to society overall and good governance,
>> instead as symptomatic of inefficiences in the economy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Bayesian as completing itself is turned over many
>> times in the mathematics, for example about Frege's
>> completeness then Russell's incompleteness then Russell's
>> retro-thesis of completeness then Goedel's completeness
>> then Goedel's incompleteness, that though for the
>> actual accounts of the continuous and completeness,
>> and then repleteness, that since antiquity there are
>> the multiple models of continuous domains like as for
>> Xenocrates and line-drawing like Hilbert's postulate
>> of continuity or Cavalieri's indivisibles vis-a-vis
>> the Eudoxan after the Archimedean the rational extension,
>> that the _repleteness_ of the super-standard and the
>> continuous, then as well for the _extra-ordinary_ of
>> the actually infinite then is for the _super-standard_,
>> since Zeno's "moving rows" and for quasi-invariant
>> measure theory as for real and mathematically real
>> accounts of convergence and emergence.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, statistics will lie if you let them.
>
> Can people lie with statistics without /letting them/?


Yes, that's the definition of "liars making lies".

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#674750

Charles Hope  <clh@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>  I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years 
>following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in 
>domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact, 
>there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>Did one cause the other??

Of course.  You install fridges, and people fill them up with expensive 
imported food, then burglars break in to take it.  It happens all the 
time.  Have you heard the song "Tony the Ice Man?"
--scott

-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#674751

On 10/20/2026 7:00 AM, Charles Hope wrote:
> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>
>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of course --
>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend other
>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local church.
>>>
>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>
>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life expectancy
>> is bunk.
>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>
>> Jan
>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years 
> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in 
> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact, 
> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
> Did one cause the other??

I suspect that the two were independently rising because of the post-war 
economic boom.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.

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