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| Started by | Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-06-12 19:09 +0100 |
| Last post | 2018-06-13 16:22 -0700 |
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Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 19:09 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 18:41 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 20:38 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 07:28 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 16:26 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 01:31 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 23:27 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 14:35 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:17 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-15 06:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:28 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-15 10:22 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-16 12:14 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 17:32 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-12 12:20 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 21:03 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-12 13:37 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-06-13 11:34 +1000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 01:59 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-06-15 11:17 +1000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 23:40 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 23:33 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-06-13 11:40 +1000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-15 16:17 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-06-16 20:27 +1000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-16 05:40 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-06-12 19:43 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 12:06 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 21:47 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-13 21:55 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-14 07:10 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Werner Ballard <db@ocowak.br> - 2018-06-14 15:54 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-14 09:25 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 02:25 +0100
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 14:02 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-15 00:17 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-14 15:34 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-15 01:13 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-14 17:53 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-15 06:22 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-15 06:44 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-15 14:32 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-16 10:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-16 08:13 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 15:24 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-18 14:06 +0200
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-14 10:30 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2018-06-14 11:52 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 15:08 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-14 13:00 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 16:13 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-14 13:55 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 17:22 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-14 15:25 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 23:21 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-15 12:25 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-15 18:06 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-15 15:22 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-15 18:44 -0400
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-15 15:54 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-12 16:26 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-06-12 18:07 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-13 12:24 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-13 05:59 -0700
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-13 13:37 +0000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-06-14 01:37 +1000
Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 21:31 +0100
Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-13 16:13 -0700
Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-13 16:20 -0700
Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-13 16:22 -0700
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| From | dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 06:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <25b4dabf-f0fa-467d-b2a5-2149febde8a8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #461312 |
Dear Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 9:22:32 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > dlzc wrote: > > […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > >> dlzc wrote: > >>> I don't know of any evidence to the contrary, which is not evidence > >>> "of": https://www.universetoday.com/33740/how-old-is-mercury/ > >> > >> Exactly. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance> > > > > So you don't have a position on the age of the planets > > one way or the other, > > I did not say that. No. You just hinted that I was opinionated, and did not (still) share yours. > > you just don't want anyone else to have an opinion > > either? > > “Well, opinions are like assholes, your Honor. Everybody’s got one.” > –Larry Flynt in “The People vs. Larry Flynt” (1996) > > I prefer people to have *well-founded* opinions. Ignorance festers in the dark. So we know everything except your opinion, perhaps your well informed opinion. We know how fast you can sling shit, for example. > > >>> As for the "age of the gas envelopes", since the gas giants are > >>> beyond the frost line, they will have been collecting gas from solar > >>> wind for 4+ billion years. > >> > >> The solar wind is _not_ a stream of gas, but of *plasma* consisting of > >> charged particles (electrons, protons and nuclei). All gas giants in > >> the Sol system have strong magnetospheres (cf. solar system probes), so > >> nothing electrically charged will enter their atmospheres in such a way > >> as to build them up (cf. aurora borealis/australis). > > > > So you feel that our magnetic field acts differently, actually > > concentrating solar wind at the poles, > > No. How did you get that idea? Read what you wrote. Gas giants have magnetic fields (like Earth). But their magnetic fields divert plasma away from them (unlike what happens on Earth). David A. Smith
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| From | Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 14:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pg0imc$a7m$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #461335 |
dlzc wrote: > Dear Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 9:22:32 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' > Lahn wrote: >> dlzc wrote: >> > […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> >> dlzc wrote: >> >>> I don't know of any evidence to the contrary, which is not evidence >> >>> "of": https://www.universetoday.com/33740/how-old-is-mercury/ >> >> >> >> Exactly. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance> >> > >> > So you don't have a position on the age of the planets one way or the >> > other, >> >> I did not say that. > > No. You just hinted that I was opinionated, and did not (still) share > yours. The man is a total failure, spamming this forum with nonsense, as in the end to agree with you entirely, without saying it. Why using time on it?
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-06-16 10:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1f622dd4-be95-632b-0443-fbcbf06c8269@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #461335 |
dlzc wrote: > Dear Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 9:22:32 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> dlzc wrote: >>> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>> dlzc wrote: >>>>> I don't know of any evidence to the contrary, which is not evidence >>>>> "of": https://www.universetoday.com/33740/how-old-is-mercury/ >>>> Exactly. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance> >>> So you don't have a position on the age of the planets >>> one way or the other, >> I did not say that. > > No. You just hinted that I was opinionated, No, I did not. Get a life. > and did not (still) share yours. My opinion is irrelevant in that regard. But if you must know, it stands to reason that all planets of a star system, except those for which there is evidence to the contrary, initially formed at approximately the same time, from the same protoplanetary disc. >>> you just don't want anyone else to have an opinion >>> either? >> >> “Well, opinions are like assholes, your Honor. Everybody’s got one.” >> –Larry Flynt in “The People vs. Larry Flynt” (1996) >> >> I prefer people to have *well-founded* opinions. > > Ignorance festers in the dark. So we know everything except your opinion, > perhaps your well informed opinion. A well-founded opinion is different from a well-informed opinion: You can make a valid argument in spite of lack of information (e.g., conjecture), and you can make an invalid argument despite its being based on information (e.g., fallacy or misinterpretation). > We know how fast you can sling shit, for example. I am not familiar with that idiom. What does it mean? >>>>> As for the "age of the gas envelopes", since the gas giants are >>>>> beyond the frost line, they will have been collecting gas from solar >>>>> wind for 4+ billion years. >>>> >>>> The solar wind is _not_ a stream of gas, but of *plasma* consisting of >>>> charged particles (electrons, protons and nuclei). All gas giants in >>>> the Sol system have strong magnetospheres (cf. solar system probes), so >>>> nothing electrically charged will enter their atmospheres in such a way >>>> as to build them up (cf. aurora borealis/australis). >>> So you feel that our magnetic field acts differently, actually >>> concentrating solar wind at the poles, >> No. How did you get that idea? > > Read what you wrote. You must be joking. In order to prove that your interpretation of my text is correct, when I have just told you that it is not, you are telling me to read my text again? Seriously? > Gas giants have magnetic fields (like Earth). Yes, this is what I have written. > But their magnetic fields divert plasma away from them (unlike what > happens on Earth). That is a gross misinterpretation of what I have written. I have pointed out Terra’s aurora borealis/australis to indicate to you and emphasize ∙ that the solar wind is _not_ a gas stream, but a *plasma* stream; it does _not_ enrich planet’s atmospheres; ∙ what happens when the solar wind interacts with a planet’s magnetosphere: It deforms the planet’s magnetosphere the more the greater its intensity is, and most of it is deflected before it ever reaches said planet’s atmosphere. If, however, it does reach said atmosphere, e.g. when traveling along the magnetic field lines to the magnetic poles, then it still does _not_ enrich such an atmosphere, but *disperses* it (we have long assumed that for Mars because it has no magnetosphere; MAVEN has confirmed it in 2015). I have also pointed out that the intensity of the solar wind near the Sol system’s gas planets is comparably small because of their huge distance to Sol (compared to the inner, rocky planets). (All of this can be found out with a Web search already.) F’up2 sci.physics, where it belongs -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-16 08:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d7a4ca0a-ff3d-494f-a4d2-d957465406ca@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #461446 |
Dear Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:00:06 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: ... > No, I did not. Get a life. I have a life. I wasted too much of it on you already. Out. David A. Smith
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| From | Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> |
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| Date | 2018-06-16 15:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pg3a38$itm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #461470 |
dlzc wrote: > Dear Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > > On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:00:06 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' > Lahn wrote: > ... >> No, I did not. Get a life. > > I have a life. I wasted too much of it on you already. Out. > David A. Smith Absolutely, that pointedears is a uneducated fruitcake wikipedia freak, together with for instance a named "Python", quoting kilometres of nonsense, for just saying two lines of additional nonsense, in best case scenario, for essential these trolls wannabes are shamelessly wrong.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-06-18 14:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e472cd45-84e7-55db-9853-d8657796657c@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #461470 |
dlzc wrote: > Dear Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:00:06 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> No, I did not. Get a life. > > I have a life. I wasted too much of it on you already. Out. ”You are right, I am out of counter-arguments and I give up.” would have sufficed. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 10:30 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B22A62D.CFE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461224 |
dlzc wrote: > > Dear The Starmaker: > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 9:55:15 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > ... > > What a red-shift really tells us is a star simply is > > decaying...not anything to do with speed, but time. > > Consider what you are saying. The most red shifted stars (the entire spectrum shifts towards the red), were in the youngest Universe when the light left them. > > > Red is the first that shifts..then blue...then > > green. > > No, the entire spectrum shifts, UV into visible, visible into infrared, infrared into microwave, and so on. IF the "z" is high enough. > > > The reason why all the other planets are surface > > color Red is because...decay. > > The Earth is roughly the same age as all the other planets, Neptune is blue, and much of the gas envelopes of the gas giants are younger than Earth. > > David A. Smith I wrote: "all the other planets are surface color" "surface" is the operative word...it means the ground, not the sky, not the clouds, not the atmospheric. "surface" meaning....ground. The stuff you walk on. Now, go back and tell me what color is the surface of Neptune?
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| From | dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 11:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <c7f4862d-107b-4b7e-9f48-051b1f0e5315@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #461238 |
Dear The Starmaker: On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 10:30:14 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: ... > Now, go back and tell me what color is the surface > of Neptune? Thank you for ignoring everything else I said. You are off topic on this thread. "Optical surface" is not necessarily what you stand on, but where light scatters from. Someone once said something about pearls and swine. What was that now? I have clearly forgotten it, and wasted my pearls. David A. Smith
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 15:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pfuefi$3jh$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #461248 |
On 6/14/2018 2:52 PM, dlzc wrote: > Dear The Starmaker: > > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 10:30:14 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > ... >> Now, go back and tell me what color is the surface >> of Neptune? > > Thank you for ignoring everything else I said. You are off topic on this thread. "Optical surface" is not necessarily what you stand on, but where light scatters from. > > Someone once said something about pearls and swine. What was that now? I have clearly forgotten it, and wasted my pearls. > > David A. Smith > Don't bother. Starfaker is some sort of nut who insists that all planets are red, even the ones that are not red.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 13:00 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B22C960.7FCC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461252 |
Volney wrote: > > On 6/14/2018 2:52 PM, dlzc wrote: > > Dear The Starmaker: > > > > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 10:30:14 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > ... > >> Now, go back and tell me what color is the surface > >> of Neptune? > > > > Thank you for ignoring everything else I said. You are off topic on this thread. "Optical surface" is not necessarily what you stand on, but where light scatters from. > > > > Someone once said something about pearls and swine. What was that now? I have clearly forgotten it, and wasted my pearls. > > > > David A. Smith > > > > Don't bother. Starfaker is some sort of nut who insists that all planets > are red, even the ones that are not red. Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is not red?
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 16:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pfui8p$1f3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #461253 |
On 6/14/2018 4:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is > not red? Mercury.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 13:55 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B22D635.21A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461256 |
Volney wrote: > > On 6/14/2018 4:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is > > not red? > > Mercury. wat color is it? doncha know??
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 17:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pfumaj$tb1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #461261 |
On 6/14/2018 4:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Volney wrote: >> >> On 6/14/2018 4:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is >>> not red? >> >> Mercury. > > wat color is it? doncha know?? > Dark Gray. You can find it as easily as I can.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 15:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B22EB64.7C3C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461264 |
Volney wrote: > > On 6/14/2018 4:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Volney wrote: > >> > >> On 6/14/2018 4:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is > >>> not red? > >> > >> Mercury. > > > > wat color is it? doncha know?? > > > > Dark Gray. > > You can find it as easily as I can. I'm talking about color, not 'without color'. WITH COLOR! Grey is between black and white. Is Black a color? Is White a color? Grey: meaning literally that it is a color 'without color'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey I'm talking ...color, like red, green, blue, pink, orange, with color. Besides here is a picture of Mercury... what color does it look like to you? https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg do you see any ...gray????
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-14 23:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pfvbaa$8gr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #461268 |
On 6/14/2018 6:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Volney wrote: >> >> On 6/14/2018 4:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Volney wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6/14/2018 4:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is >>>>> not red? >>>> >>>> Mercury. >>> >>> wat color is it? doncha know?? >>> >> >> Dark Gray. >> >> You can find it as easily as I can. > > > I'm talking about color, not 'without color'. WITH COLOR! > > Grey is between black and white. Is Black a color? Is White a color? Too bad for you and your definition. Show a picture of Mercury to just about anyone and ask, what color is that, and they'll certainly say "gray" "dark gray" etc. They'll say snow is white and coal is black, too. But the point is, you'll be _very_ hard pressed to find anyone say "red", so therefore your claim is simply wrong, and your whining whether gray is a color is just a diversion. First Google hit on "color of Mercury": https://www.universetoday.com/13969/color-of-mercury/ (and even Google blurts out 'dark gray') > Besides > here is a picture of Mercury... > > what color does it look like to you? > > > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg > > > do you see any ...gray???? Color enhanced out the wazoo and false color doesn't count for anything. Regardless, it is blue and yellowish, *still* not red.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 12:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B2412B3.1A59@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461305 |
Volney wrote: > > On 6/14/2018 6:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Volney wrote: > >> > >> On 6/14/2018 4:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Volney wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 6/14/2018 4:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>> Okay smarty pants..name *one* planet out there whose surface color is > >>>>> not red? > >>>> > >>>> Mercury. > >>> > >>> wat color is it? doncha know?? > >>> > >> > >> Dark Gray. > >> > >> You can find it as easily as I can. > > > > > > I'm talking about color, not 'without color'. WITH COLOR! > > > > Grey is between black and white. Is Black a color? Is White a color? > > Too bad for you and your definition. Show a picture of Mercury to just > about anyone and ask, what color is that, and they'll certainly say > "gray" "dark gray" etc. They'll say snow is white and coal is black, > too. But the point is, you'll be _very_ hard pressed to find anyone say > "red", so therefore your claim is simply wrong, and your whining whether > gray is a color is just a diversion. > > First Google hit on "color of Mercury": > https://www.universetoday.com/13969/color-of-mercury/ > (and even Google blurts out 'dark gray') > > > Besides > > here is a picture of Mercury... > > > > what color does it look like to you? > > > > > > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg > > > > > > do you see any ...gray???? > > Color enhanced out the wazoo and false color doesn't count for anything. > Regardless, it is blue and yellowish, *still* not red. "Color enhanced"? Do you understand the definition of "Color enhanced"??? It means: intensify, increase.. I don't understand where you're coming from. You contradict yourself too much... Why would NASA Not show a picture of Mercury in Grey? Why would they show a "wazoo" photo instead??? What happen to the Grey? Where is it?? https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg One of yous is wrong. If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html and you just...increase, intensify the color.. you get not blue, not green, not yellow, not grey...but Red! http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-aaa.jpg enhanced up the wazoo.. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-enhanced%20up%20the%20wazoo.jpg
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 18:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pg1d85$cgg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #461391 |
On 6/15/2018 3:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Volney wrote: >> >> On 6/14/2018 6:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Volney wrote: > Why would NASA Not show a picture of Mercury in Grey? They do, and you even mentioned it! > If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg > https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html And there's your picture of Mercury in gray. Notice it states in BIG BOLD LETTERS "Mercury in Color!!" and a picture of a gray planet. So guess what? The color of Mercury is gray! > > and you just...increase, intensify the color.. Which is exactly what NASA did for this picture, which you yourself posted: > What happen to the Grey? Where is it?? > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg So it's really a very slightly bluish gray in some areas and a slightly dark yellowish gray in others. (not red!) And that you know enough how to use Photoshop to make a gray planet look red is quite irrelevant. Should I post a picture that proves Mercury really is bright green with purple polkadots?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 15:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B243C1B.5EE1@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461413 |
Volney wrote: > > On 6/15/2018 3:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Volney wrote: > >> > >> On 6/14/2018 6:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Volney wrote: > > Why would NASA Not show a picture of Mercury in Grey? > > They do, and you even mentioned it! > > > If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg > > https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html > > And there's your picture of Mercury in gray. Notice it states in BIG > BOLD LETTERS "Mercury in Color!!" and a picture of a gray planet. So > guess what? The color of Mercury is gray! > > > > and you just...increase, intensify the color.. > > Which is exactly what NASA did for this picture, which you yourself posted: > > > What happen to the Grey? Where is it?? > > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg > > So it's really a very slightly bluish gray in some areas and a slightly > dark yellowish gray in others. (not red!) > > And that you know enough how to use Photoshop to make a gray planet look > red is quite irrelevant. Should I post a picture that proves Mercury > really is bright green with purple polkadots? I did not make a grey planet look red...neither did I change the hue... I simply "enhanced', intensify the colors that is 'already' there... If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html and you just...increase, intensify the color.. you get not blue, not green, not yellow, not grey...but Red! http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-aaa.jpg enhanced up the wazoo.. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-enhanced%20up%20the%20wazoo.jpg Anyone can simply increase the saturation of this photo 3x and they will only get one color...RED. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg This is called...experiment and observation using the 'scientific method' which is repeatable and reproducible. simply "enhanced', intensify the colors that is 'already' there...will only get one color...RED. Nature has proved you...WRONG. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-enhanced%20up%20the%20wazoo.jpg anyone is free to download the photo: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg and increase, intersify the color already there... Anyone can simply increase the saturation of this photo 3x and they will only get one color...RED. All planets out there are with Red surfaces....including Pluto, now also named the 'other red planet'. https://www.nasa.gov/nh/pluto-the-other-red-planet
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 18:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pg1fff$o8o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #461414 |
On 6/15/2018 6:22 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Volney wrote: >> >> On 6/15/2018 3:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Volney wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6/14/2018 6:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Volney wrote: >>> Why would NASA Not show a picture of Mercury in Grey? >> >> They do, and you even mentioned it! >> >>> If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury >>> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg >>> https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html >> >> And there's your picture of Mercury in gray. Notice it states in BIG >> BOLD LETTERS "Mercury in Color!!" and a picture of a gray planet. So >> guess what? The color of Mercury is gray! >>> >>> and you just...increase, intensify the color.. >> >> Which is exactly what NASA did for this picture, which you yourself posted: >> >> > What happen to the Grey? Where is it?? >> > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg >> >> So it's really a very slightly bluish gray in some areas and a slightly >> dark yellowish gray in others. (not red!) >> >> And that you know enough how to use Photoshop to make a gray planet look >> red is quite irrelevant. Should I post a picture that proves Mercury >> really is bright green with purple polkadots? > > I did not make a grey planet look red...neither did I change the hue... > > I simply "enhanced', intensify the colors that is 'already' there... And when NASA did the exact same thing, they got this: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg and for some reason I trust NASA with information about the planets than I would trust you, someone with a bizarre agenda. Regardless, everyone (except you), when asked "what color is this planet?" and shown the unenhanced image, will definitely say "gray" or something similar. And that's what counts, as it disproves your claim. Or maybe you're just colorblind.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-15 15:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Is it possible to MEASURE the speed of light,iN INTERGALACTIC SPACE ? |
| Message-ID | <5B2443A9.6C3D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461414 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Volney wrote: > > > > On 6/15/2018 3:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Volney wrote: > > >> > > >> On 6/14/2018 6:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>> Volney wrote: > > > Why would NASA Not show a picture of Mercury in Grey? > > > > They do, and you even mentioned it! > > > > > If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury > > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg > > > https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html > > > > And there's your picture of Mercury in gray. Notice it states in BIG > > BOLD LETTERS "Mercury in Color!!" and a picture of a gray planet. So > > guess what? The color of Mercury is gray! > > > > > > and you just...increase, intensify the color.. > > > > Which is exactly what NASA did for this picture, which you yourself posted: > > > > > What happen to the Grey? Where is it?? > > > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/PIA16853mercury.jpg > > > > So it's really a very slightly bluish gray in some areas and a slightly > > dark yellowish gray in others. (not red!) > > > > And that you know enough how to use Photoshop to make a gray planet look > > red is quite irrelevant. Should I post a picture that proves Mercury > > really is bright green with purple polkadots? > > I did not make a grey planet look red...neither did I change the hue... > > I simply "enhanced', intensify the colors that is 'already' there... > > If you look at the lastest photo of Mercury > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg > https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_color.html > > and you just...increase, intensify the color.. > > you get not blue, not green, not yellow, not grey...but Red! > > http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-aaa.jpg > > enhanced up the wazoo.. > http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-enhanced%20up%20the%20wazoo.jpg > > Anyone can simply increase the saturation of this photo 3x and they will only get one color...RED. > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg > > This is called...experiment and observation using the 'scientific method' which is repeatable and reproducible. > > simply "enhanced', intensify the colors that is 'already' there...will only get one color...RED. > > Nature has proved you...WRONG. > > http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Mercury/209132main_color_mercury_0-enhanced%20up%20the%20wazoo.jpg > > anyone is free to download the photo: > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg > > and increase, intersify the color already there... > > Anyone can simply increase the saturation of this photo 3x and they will only get one color...RED. > > All planets out there are with Red surfaces....including Pluto, now also named the 'other red planet'. > > https://www.nasa.gov/nh/pluto-the-other-red-planet https://www110.lunapic.com/editor/index.php?action=saturate Just copy and paste the url: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/209132main_color_mercury_0.jpg Then change the set saturation number of 50 to 600 or 1200 and hit the Enter key One must perform the experiment themselves and not trust...anyone else.
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