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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-01-14 09:53 -0800 |
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Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800
Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-30 11:33 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-31 07:54 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 21:03 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-31 15:20 +0100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-31 14:31 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:13 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-30 13:16 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-30 12:55 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-30 13:04 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-31 06:59 +0100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 06:06 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 06:15 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 06:48 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:20 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-30 21:30 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:25 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:28 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "chwilozof" <nieznajome@att.com> - 2016-12-30 16:33 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-30 14:25 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-30 16:18 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-30 16:31 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 13:03 +1100
How to travel in time Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-31 02:38 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 15:32 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 23:05 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 19:07 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 10:51 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:44 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 17:01 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 17:26 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 13:10 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:03 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 21:07 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 16:25 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-02 10:19 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:54 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:18 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-04 16:45 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:53 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 11:38 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 12:16 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 11:19 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 11:18 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:45 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 17:50 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 13:29 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:13 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-07 11:57 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:34 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:14 -0800
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 17:12 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-11 04:02 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:18 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:24 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-07 21:43 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:44 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-31 07:23 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-31 12:56 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 11:55 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-31 20:54 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 13:36 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 00:29 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 19:02 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 20:10 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-01 06:07 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 06:55 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-01 11:43 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 06:33 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-01 06:10 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2017-01-01 14:56 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 16:43 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-01 11:46 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 21:16 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:58 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:46 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 06:37 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 16:51 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2017-01-01 15:47 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 09:52 -0600
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 16:52 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:16 -0600
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 21:19 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:50 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-01 23:39 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 11:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 19:15 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:14 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 06:59 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:57 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 20:31 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no> - 2017-01-02 23:02 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 23:05 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no> - 2017-01-02 23:17 +0000
Winona Bellard, urine good-time girl whore Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no.deer> - 2017-01-02 23:21 +0000
Re: Winona Bellard, urine good-time girl whore Olinda Metcalfe <efacf@ecMlcn.org> - 2017-01-02 23:33 +0000
Guilt without sex Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no.pipe> - 2017-01-02 23:22 +0000
Re: Guilt without sex benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 18:49 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:58 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:03 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-09 21:20 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 16:53 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 06:07 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 19:18 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-10 00:28 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 14:08 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-10 06:41 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 11:46 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-10 23:16 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-11 13:45 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-11 13:41 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-11 06:44 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-11 21:08 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-11 13:19 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ward Nusbaum <uqowm@msdmmsuus.org> - 2017-01-11 21:51 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-11 23:09 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-11 23:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-12 00:09 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 15:25 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-12 07:52 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 22:58 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 15:11 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-12 08:55 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 22:09 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 10:39 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-13 22:37 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 22:41 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:00 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 15:25 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-14 10:16 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 11:18 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 21:28 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:44 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 13:47 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:29 -0800
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 14:04 -0500
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 11:19 -0700
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 20:45 -0500
Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 07:43 -0800
Time Travel Is Not Possible "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 09:53 -0800
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 21:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno6isdh.ql.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #403720 |
Gawy Fuck Knuckle wrote some monket man drivel.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5869A5C1.6AA0@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #403727 |
Ned Latham wrote: > > Gawy Fuck Knuckle wrote some monket man drivel. is the three stooges marathon on today???
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 11:46 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ecr1rfFg7paU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #403622 |
On 1/01/2017 7:54 AM, Ned Latham wrote: > Gary Harnagel wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> >>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller from >>> the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which >>> to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to >>> natural disaster, etc. >> >> Or maybe someone invents time travel and that messes up some other guy's >> life. So this other guy goes back and kills the someone that was about >> to invent time travel. > > *sigh* > > Stop that mindless babble, please! > > Time travel is impoossible. EOS, > It probably is, but spurious proofs of that are still spurious, and those proposing them have to be called on it. Sylvia.
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 06:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno6h8so.9gn.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #403645 |
Sylvia Else wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > > > > > That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time > > > > traveller from the far future has come here is that there > > > > is no far future from which to come - civilisation wipes > > > > itself out - humans become extinct due to natural disaster, > > > > etc. > > > > > > Or maybe someone invents time travel and that messes up some > > > other guy's life. So this other guy goes back and kills the > > > someone that was about to invent time travel. > > > > *sigh* > > > > Stop that mindless babble, please! > > > > Time travel is impoossible. EOS, > > It probably is, but spurious proofs of that are still spurious, > and those proposing them have to be called on it. The idea of time travel is spurious.
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 16:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <361193a2-93e8-43f5-b7c0-4e9c8c16e963@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #403569 |
On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 10:32:53 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 31/12/2016 3:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Sylvia Else wrote: > >> > >> On 31/12/2016 6:19 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> lets say > >>> you travel back in time > >>> in a time machine and your > >>> time machine lands on your > >>> grandfather and kills him... > >>> > >>> > >>> Time Travel Is Not Possible. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would be...absurd answers. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in unproven paralell universes > >>> where your father and grandfather still exist... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> i don't want to hear it! > >>> > >> > >> Why not? You're effectively saying that the Universe has a particular > >> form, one in which your proof works. That's akin to a circular argument. > >> Maybe the universe does have such a form, and time travel really is > >> impossible, but you have no proof of that. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > > > I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... > > > > That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller from > the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which > to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to > natural disaster, etc. > > Sylvia. No, they exist- they are all just in insane asylums.
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ecsk8iFretqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #403569 |
"Sylvia Else" wrote >> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... > That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller from the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to natural disaster, etc. Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' constructed forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier date than the first tunnel. -- Mike D
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| From | Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4b8ba$fei$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #403695 |
Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > "Sylvia Else" wrote > >>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... > >> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller >> from > the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which > to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to > natural disaster, etc. > > Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' constructed > forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier date than the first > tunnel. --Mike D Absolutely incorrect, Mike D. The obvious reason is my Divergent Matter Model, DMM. Time travel is totally nonsense. It also comes implicitly from Einsine, since he also realized at the end of his carrier, that Time does not really exists. Then now, hearing you people discussing "time travel", leads me to congruent thoughts, as "moon landings". No offence.
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| From | Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 09:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o4b8jm$fr9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #403696 |
On 1/1/2017 9:47 AM, Tiffany Wuest wrote: > Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > > >> "Sylvia Else" wrote >> >>>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... >> >>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller >>> from >> the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which >> to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to >> natural disaster, etc. >> >> Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' constructed >> forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier date than the first >> tunnel. --Mike D > > Absolutely incorrect, Mike D. The obvious reason is my Divergent Matter > Model, DMM. Time travel is totally nonsense. It also comes implicitly from > Einsine, since he also realized at the end of his carrier, that Time does > not really exists. if Time dosent exist, what makes the second hand on a clock go round ?
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno6icuj.oar.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #403697 |
Yuri Kretin wrote: > Tiffany Wuest wrote: > > Michael R N Dolbear wrote: ----snip---- > > > Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' > > > constructed forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier > > > date than the first tunnel. --Mike D > > > > Absolutely incorrect, Mike D. The obvious reason is my Divergent > > Matter Model, DMM. Time travel is totally nonsense. It also comes > > implicitly from Einsine, since he also realized at the end of > > his carrier, Dunno about that. > > that Time does not really exist. Actually it does. But it's not a phenomenon, like space; it's a noumenon, like number. > if Time dosent exist, It does. > what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? The spring. You weren't thinking that time actually *does* stuff, were you? Geeeeeezuz
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| From | Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 11:16 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o4bdh8$nts$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #403700 |
On 1/1/2017 10:52 AM, Ned Latham wrote: > Yuri Kretin wrote: >> Tiffany Wuest wrote: >>> Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > > >> what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? > > The spring. > > You weren't thinking that time actually *does* stuff, were you? > > Geeeeeezuz > yes, it takes "Time" for you to type those letters, doesnt it ?
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 21:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno6isjt.ql.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #403705 |
Yuri Kretin wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > Yuri Kretin wrote: ----whoo-oo-oosh---- > > > what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? > > > > The spring. > > > > You weren't thinking that time actually *does* stuff, were you? > > > > Geeeeeezuz > > yes, Trying to live up to your name, Yuri? > it takes "Time" for you to type those letters, doesnt it ? That's ne doing stiff. not time doing stuff. Read what you snipped.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5869A439.722B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #403705 |
Yuri Kretin wrote: > > On 1/1/2017 10:52 AM, Ned Latham wrote: > > Yuri Kretin wrote: > >> Tiffany Wuest wrote: > >>> Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > > > > > > >> what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? > > > > The spring. > > > > You weren't thinking that time actually *does* stuff, were you? > > > > Geeeeeezuz > > > > yes, > > it takes "Time" for you to type those letters, doesnt it ? There are lots of keyboards around and i don't see "Time" typing any letters on it...
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5869A3D4.301B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #403697 |
Yuri Kretin wrote: > > On 1/1/2017 9:47 AM, Tiffany Wuest wrote: > > Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > > > > > >> "Sylvia Else" wrote > >> > >>>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... > >> > >>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller > >>> from > >> the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which > >> to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to > >> natural disaster, etc. > >> > >> Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' constructed > >> forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier date than the first > >> tunnel. --Mike D > > > > Absolutely incorrect, Mike D. The obvious reason is my Divergent Matter > > Model, DMM. Time travel is totally nonsense. It also comes implicitly from > > Einsine, since he also realized at the end of his carrier, that Time does > > not really exists. > > if Time dosent exist, what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? That's like asking what makes the shadow go round on a sunclock..
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 23:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <274ee84c-c610-4451-8660-3521dacc02e7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #403697 |
W dniu niedziela, 1 stycznia 2017 16:52:25 UTC+1 użytkownik Yuri Kretin napisał: > if Time dosent exist, what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? It's usually a battery. Though it can be a spring, too, or a different mechanism.
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| From | Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 11:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <kuidnce5iLDLmPXFnZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #403503 |
"The Starmaker" wrote in message news:5866B352.6F63@ix.netcom.com... lets say you travel back in time in a time machine and your time machine lands on your grandfather and kills him... >>> snip <<< *** I want to travel back in time, so that I can get back my girlfriend, my dog and my pickem-up truck ... noTroll's mother also wants to take that trip back to that critical juncture where this time she would administer a BJ ... though disgusting as that alternative may be.
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 19:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fo6j6cl983qptq87vcgee3bi4p8g10nheg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #403503 |
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:19:46 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >lets say >you travel back in time >in a time machine and your >time machine lands on your >grandfather and kills him... > > >Time Travel Is Not Possible. And...? I don't claim (or know) if "time travel" back in time is possible, I'm just pointing out that your evidence/argument does not preclude it. Your old "grandfather/father/? paradox" is easily disposed of but there are some other difficulties which have to be overcome if you travel to the past and then return to the present. In your example, if your grandfather is alive in the present before you leave for the past, the grandfather you fall on in the past dies but that doesn't affect the grandfather you have when you return to the present. He is a separate entity. He is just as you left him (alive). Obviously he could have coincidentally died while you were "neglecting/relieving" him by traveling in time (lol) but it would have nothing to do with anything you did in the past to his earlier entity. Say you "go" back in time 20 years. This probably requires non-zero time. Two versions of your grandfather (entities) must exist (a present and a past version) while you are in transit. Any changes made in the past normally propagate forward in time at the speed of time (1 second per second). They would normally take 20 years to arrive at (affect) the present you left. I believe the only way to experience changes made in the past is to remain in that past. The present you start from is a different part of the timeline. The past is also a different part of the timeline. These two separate timeline segments do not normally interact directly. Btw, "my" timeline is infinite in both directions. As I replied about 20 years ago (in sci.physics) to a similar statement/question, one way of looking at it is to assign every object in the universe a location in space (x, y, z). Btw, "my" universe is an x, y, z coordinate grid of infinite size (volume). Each location is specified by a location in space (x, y, z) along with a location in time (t, s). "s", the second time coordinate, describes its "shift" or distance from you on the timeline. At s = -20 years on the timeline, you find the universe as it was 20 years ago. Your "time machine" must also change x, y, & z (spatial location) since these usually change with time for anything that's moving (like a planet and everything on it). The "s" gives your time machine's "time shift" from its start time (present) and the t gives its current location (in time). Also, the fact that you are going into the past implies you are going into a different past (one with a different "s") because, let's face it, in the original past, no one popped in with a time machine, now did they. So when you go back 20 years into the past, your coordinates change from (x, y, z, t, s) to (x, y, z, t', s'). Normally, when not time traveling, "s" remains constant and "t" increases at the normal "speed of time" which is 1 second per second as we are currently traveling inexorably into the future at 1 second per second. I've tried to give you a "theory" without resorting to what you said you didn't want to hear. Your welcome. P.S. Killing your grandfather won't help - lol. Mike See you at the show trials - lol. --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5869A521.5FCE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #403743 |
Michael J. Strickland wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:19:46 -0800, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >lets say > >you travel back in time > >in a time machine and your > >time machine lands on your > >grandfather and kills him... > > > > > >Time Travel Is Not Possible. > > And...? > > I don't claim (or know) if "time travel" back in time is possible, I'm > just pointing out that your evidence/argument does not preclude it. > > Your old "grandfather/father/? paradox" is easily disposed of but > there are some other difficulties which have to be overcome if you > travel to the past and then return to the present. > > In your example, if your grandfather is alive in the present before > you leave for the past, the grandfather you fall on in the past dies > but that doesn't affect the grandfather you have when you return to > the present. He is a separate entity. He is just as you left him > (alive). Obviously he could have coincidentally died while you were > "neglecting/relieving" him by traveling in time (lol) but it would > have nothing to do with anything you did in the past to his earlier > entity. THAT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I EVER HEARD! I guess it gets more ridiculous if i continue reading..(if you follow the second law) > > Say you "go" back in time 20 years. This probably requires non-zero > time. Two versions of your grandfather (entities) must exist (a > present and a past version) while you are in transit. Any changes made > in the past normally propagate forward in time at the speed of time (1 > second per second). They would normally take 20 years to arrive at > (affect) the present you left. > > I believe the only way to experience changes made in the past is to > remain in that past. The present you start from is a different part of > the timeline. The past is also a different part of the timeline. These > two separate timeline segments do not normally interact directly. Btw, > "my" timeline is infinite in both directions. > > As I replied about 20 years ago (in sci.physics) to a similar > statement/question, one way of looking at it is to assign every object > in the universe a location in space (x, y, z). Btw, "my" universe is > an x, y, z coordinate grid of infinite size (volume). Each location > is specified by a location in space (x, y, z) along with a location in > time (t, s). "s", the second time coordinate, describes its "shift" or > distance from you on the timeline. At s = -20 years on the timeline, > you find the universe as it was 20 years ago. Your "time machine" must > also change x, y, & z (spatial location) since these usually change > with time for anything that's moving (like a planet and everything on > it). The "s" gives your time machine's "time shift" from its start > time (present) and the t gives its current location (in time). > > Also, the fact that you are going into the past implies you are going > into a different past (one with a different "s") because, let's face > it, in the original past, no one popped in with a time machine, now > did they. > > So when you go back 20 years into the past, your coordinates change > from (x, y, z, t, s) to (x, y, z, t', s'). Normally, when not time > traveling, "s" remains constant and "t" increases at the normal "speed > of time" which is 1 second per second as we are currently traveling > inexorably into the future at 1 second per second. > > I've tried to give you a "theory" without resorting to what you said > you didn't want to hear. Your welcome. > > P.S. Killing your grandfather won't help - lol. > > Mike > See you at the show trials - lol. > --------------------------------------------------- > Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA > ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 12:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ectnrnF5fvnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #403747 |
On 2/01/2017 11:56 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Michael J. Strickland wrote: >> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:19:46 -0800, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> lets say >>> you travel back in time >>> in a time machine and your >>> time machine lands on your >>> grandfather and kills him... >>> >>> >>> Time Travel Is Not Possible. >> >> And...? >> >> I don't claim (or know) if "time travel" back in time is possible, I'm >> just pointing out that your evidence/argument does not preclude it. >> >> Your old "grandfather/father/? paradox" is easily disposed of but >> there are some other difficulties which have to be overcome if you >> travel to the past and then return to the present. >> >> In your example, if your grandfather is alive in the present before >> you leave for the past, the grandfather you fall on in the past dies >> but that doesn't affect the grandfather you have when you return to >> the present. He is a separate entity. He is just as you left him >> (alive). Obviously he could have coincidentally died while you were >> "neglecting/relieving" him by traveling in time (lol) but it would >> have nothing to do with anything you did in the past to his earlier >> entity. > > THAT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I EVER HEARD! It's the outcome if a time traveller causes a branch in the past, but returns to his original time line when he goes back to the future. Such behaviour could also explain the lack of time travellers visiting us from the future - it would just mean that we are on the original time line for all of them. Sylvia.
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| From | "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 06:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bfc68134-b137-4ec4-b18e-be8bd77e655a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #403750 |
Sylvia Else It's the outcome if a time traveller causes a branch in the past, but returns to his original time line when he goes back to the future. Such behaviour could also explain the lack of time travellers visiting us from the future - it would just mean that we are on the original time line for all of them. Sylvia. If "Time" always ends with the Exact same result, then it does not matter what kind or how many changes time travelers really make Say for example if the universe operates like a hard drive platter with two sides, the beginning starts off with all the "ON" bits on one side of the platter with all the "OFF" bits on the other The bits, (Top of disk to Bottom of disk) are always the reciprocal of each other Maximum entropy occurs when the entire disk is in a perfect reciprocal checker boarding
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 14:57 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ed0lq0Fr91lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #403781 |
On 3/01/2017 1:59 AM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote: > Sylvia Else > > It's the outcome if a time traveller causes a branch in the past, > but returns to his original time line when he goes back to the > future. > > Such behaviour could also explain the lack of time travellers > visiting us from the future - it would just mean that we are on the > original time line for all of them. > > Sylvia. > > If "Time" always ends with the Exact same result, then it does not > matter what kind or how many changes time travelers really make > > Say for example if the universe operates like a hard drive platter > with two sides, the beginning starts off with all the "ON" bits on > one side of the platter with all the "OFF" bits on the other > > The bits, (Top of disk to Bottom of disk) are always the reciprocal > of each other > > Maximum entropy occurs when the entire disk is in a perfect > reciprocal checker boarding > Since we have no examples of time travel to examine, we have no basis for theorising about how the universe works in the presence of time travel. All the known laws of physics (including thermodynamics) might have to be modified to encompass it All we can do is speculate as to how the Universe might behave, bearing in mind that the Universe is never constrained to behave in the way we think it should. It will do what it does. Sylvia.
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