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| First post | 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:27 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 01:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 22:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 01:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 11:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 12:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 12:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 21:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 00:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 00:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 22:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:26 -0400
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 21:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55E7C949.4DA9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #362791 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Most atheist > believe > the universe is > mathematical. > > I mean, they actually > believe the universe is > Mathematical. > > But, if i go > to the moon > and look around.. > i don't see any mathematics. > > i don't see any...numbers. > > If i go to Mars > > i don't see any mathematics. > > i don't see any...numbers. > > Where is this > mathematics > they are seeing? > > Is it hidden?? > > Because, it only exist in their mind. > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science. > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw 36-26-36.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 00:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55E94C53.43FF@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #362886 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Most atheist > > believe > > the universe is > > mathematical. > > > > I mean, they actually > > believe the universe is > > Mathematical. > > > > But, if i go > > to the moon > > and look around.. > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > If i go to Mars > > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > Where is this > > mathematics > > they are seeing? > > > > Is it hidden?? > > > > Because, it only exist in their mind. > > > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science. > > > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. > > Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw > 36-26-36. no, it's just a rock.. There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where?? Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky. What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe... What place is this ...mathematics in? It has to be...somewhere? Pluto?? I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion... It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 13:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55E9FEA5.5836@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #363039 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Most atheist > > > believe > > > the universe is > > > mathematical. > > > > > > I mean, they actually > > > believe the universe is > > > Mathematical. > > > > > > But, if i go > > > to the moon > > > and look around.. > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > > > If i go to Mars > > > > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > > > Where is this > > > mathematics > > > they are seeing? > > > > > > Is it hidden?? > > > > > > Because, it only exist in their mind. > > > > > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science. > > > > > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. > > > > Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw > > 36-26-36. > > no, it's just a rock.. > > There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where?? > > Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky. > > What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe... > > What place is this ...mathematics in? > > It has to be...somewhere? > > Pluto?? > > I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion... > > It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no > proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind. If I believe that the uninverse is mathematical...i would be imagining things, wouldn't I? I would be seeing that which is not there. Maybe i would be...projecting it.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 00:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55EE8B6D.6A9F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #363039 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Most atheist > > > believe > > > the universe is > > > mathematical. > > > > > > I mean, they actually > > > believe the universe is > > > Mathematical. > > > > > > But, if i go > > > to the moon > > > and look around.. > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > > > If i go to Mars > > > > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > > > Where is this > > > mathematics > > > they are seeing? > > > > > > Is it hidden?? > > > > > > Because, it only exist in their mind. > > > > > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science. > > > > > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. > > > > Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw > > 36-26-36. > > no, it's just a rock.. > > There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where?? > > Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky. > > What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe... > > What place is this ...mathematics in? > > It has to be...somewhere? > > Pluto?? > > I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion... > > It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no > proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind. and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must believe there is a ...Mathematician.
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| From | Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-09 00:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <msocfq$5ac$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #363450 |
Le 2015-09-08 03:17, The Starmaker a écrit : > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> Most atheist >>>> believe >>>> the universe is >>>> mathematical. >>>> >>>> I mean, they actually >>>> believe the universe is >>>> Mathematical. >>>> >>>> But, if i go >>>> to the moon >>>> and look around.. >>>> i don't see any mathematics. >>>> >>>> i don't see any...numbers. >>>> >>>> If i go to Mars >>>> >>>> i don't see any mathematics. >>>> >>>> i don't see any...numbers. >>>> >>>> Where is this >>>> mathematics >>>> they are seeing? >>>> >>>> Is it hidden?? >>>> >>>> Because, it only exist in their mind. >>>> >>>> Mathematics is based on belief, not science. >>>> >>>> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. >>> >>> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw >>> 36-26-36. >> >> no, it's just a rock.. >> >> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where?? >> >> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky. >> >> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe... >> >> What place is this ...mathematics in? >> >> It has to be...somewhere? >> >> Pluto?? >> >> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion... >> >> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no >> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind. > > > > and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must > believe there is a ...Mathematician. If you believe the universe had a creator, then the creator needs to have been created. It's simple logic. -- Olrik aa #1981 EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 22:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55EFC7BF.5E72@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #363530 |
Olrik wrote: > > Le 2015-09-08 03:17, The Starmaker a écrit : > > The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> The Starmaker wrote: > >>> > >>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Most atheist > >>>> believe > >>>> the universe is > >>>> mathematical. > >>>> > >>>> I mean, they actually > >>>> believe the universe is > >>>> Mathematical. > >>>> > >>>> But, if i go > >>>> to the moon > >>>> and look around.. > >>>> i don't see any mathematics. > >>>> > >>>> i don't see any...numbers. > >>>> > >>>> If i go to Mars > >>>> > >>>> i don't see any mathematics. > >>>> > >>>> i don't see any...numbers. > >>>> > >>>> Where is this > >>>> mathematics > >>>> they are seeing? > >>>> > >>>> Is it hidden?? > >>>> > >>>> Because, it only exist in their mind. > >>>> > >>>> Mathematics is based on belief, not science. > >>>> > >>>> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. > >>> > >>> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw > >>> 36-26-36. > >> > >> no, it's just a rock.. > >> > >> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where?? > >> > >> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky. > >> > >> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe... > >> > >> What place is this ...mathematics in? > >> > >> It has to be...somewhere? > >> > >> Pluto?? > >> > >> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion... > >> > >> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no > >> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind. > > > > > > > > and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must > > believe there is a ...Mathematician. > > If you believe the universe had a creator, then the creator needs to > have been created. It's simple logic. A creator is only one person. Before God created the universe... He did not exist.
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| From | Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-10 00:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <msqvpp$fd6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #363534 |
Le 2015-09-09 01:46, The Starmaker a écrit : > Olrik wrote: >> >> Le 2015-09-08 03:17, The Starmaker a écrit : >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Most atheist >>>>>> believe >>>>>> the universe is >>>>>> mathematical. >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean, they actually >>>>>> believe the universe is >>>>>> Mathematical. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, if i go >>>>>> to the moon >>>>>> and look around.. >>>>>> i don't see any mathematics. >>>>>> >>>>>> i don't see any...numbers. >>>>>> >>>>>> If i go to Mars >>>>>> >>>>>> i don't see any mathematics. >>>>>> >>>>>> i don't see any...numbers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where is this >>>>>> mathematics >>>>>> they are seeing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it hidden?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Because, it only exist in their mind. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mathematics is based on belief, not science. >>>>>> >>>>>> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. >>>>> >>>>> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw >>>>> 36-26-36. >>>> >>>> no, it's just a rock.. >>>> >>>> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where?? >>>> >>>> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky. >>>> >>>> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe... >>>> >>>> What place is this ...mathematics in? >>>> >>>> It has to be...somewhere? >>>> >>>> Pluto?? >>>> >>>> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion... >>>> >>>> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no >>>> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind. >>> >>> >>> >>> and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must >>> believe there is a ...Mathematician. >> >> If you believe the universe had a creator, then the creator needs to >> have been created. It's simple logic. > > > A creator is only one person. > > > Before God created the universe... > He did not exist. But bacon does. -- Olrik aa #1981 EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 13:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55EA0096.7FB5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #362886 |
dobri karagorgov wrote: > > On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 6:14:40 AM UTC+2, The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Most atheist > > > believe > > > the universe is > > > mathematical. > > > > > > I mean, they actually > > > believe the universe is > > > Mathematical. > > > > > > But, if i go > > > to the moon > > > and look around.. > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > > > If i go to Mars > > > > > > i don't see any mathematics. > > > > > > i don't see any...numbers. > > > > > > Where is this > > > mathematics > > > they are seeing? > > > > > > Is it hidden?? > > > > > > Because, it only exist in their mind. > > > > > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science. > > > > > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen.. > > > > > > > > Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw > > 36-26-36. > > every natural law or social agreement to be formulated must gather all the influential parameters that are mathematical magnitudes and put them in equation. the bible says "at >1st the earth was void and without form"... well the form is given by mathematics: you gather the parameters of the function and plot its graphic that graphic is the form. you >are blind for math in a way of accepting the computer machine without the world wide order of them 1's and 0's. the equation of circle is 1^0 = O^on That is a pretty picture you painted... "earth was void and without form", "them 1's and 0's", etc...it looks like an interesting painting. A little abstract...but pretty. You should try using paints and brushes... take a art painting course.. then turn your abstract thoughts from words to paintings and sell it at an art show in New York galleries. I would price it at $30,000.00
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cv66ua1ceotlutee119m10tasa6280s2s2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #362230 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >On 15-08-29 05:09 AM, Attila < wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:45 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mrr8pb$rul$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-28 09:25 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:58:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> It's all because you actually believe it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief. I am >>>>>> curious. If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely >>>>>> new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or >>>>>> not exist? Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have >>>>>> any kind of a belief about it. >>>>> >>>>> If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have >>>>> mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has >>>>> become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can >>>>> verify its existence. >>>> >>>> Nonsense. People talk about things that don't exist frequently. The >>>> Tooth Fairy, gods, all sorts of literary fiction. The list is large. >>> >>> They are talking about things they know they don't exist. You are >>> talking about a thing that exists but no one knows. You neglected >>> yourself being the one who actually knows. The fact you know it exists >>> has ensured its existence. For me, I have to check to find out whether >>> you are lying or not. So its existence is uncertain. >> >> You are practiced in saying a lot without any content aren't you? > >Not really. Your question somehow is very similar to a Buddhist >philosophical question. It was like this: "If a tree fell down in the >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct >answer, as I have given you, is not sure. You have to excuse hvac. He's a bad tomato. > > >>>> So if I truly believe I can fly like a butterfly I can do so. >>> >>> No, I don't think so. The physical world is an illusion, but it does not >>> mean we can ignore it altogether. We only need to be aware that it's not >>> real, so we will not be fooled to lose our focus in life. >>> >> >> Since you obviously are only interested in convoluted discussions >> where you can keep twisting the thread is as many directions as >> possible without actually going anywhere such a "discussion" becomes >> tiresome after a point. I have reached that point. >> >> Enjoy playing with yourself. > >Thanks for spending time with me. It's always a good exercise for me. > the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-30 11:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mrv78u$nmv$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 15-08-30 11:07 AM, duke wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> On 15-08-29 05:09 AM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:45 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrr8pb$rul$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-28 09:25 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:58:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> It's all because you actually believe it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief. I am >>>>>>> curious. If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely >>>>>>> new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or >>>>>>> not exist? Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have >>>>>>> any kind of a belief about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have >>>>>> mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has >>>>>> become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can >>>>>> verify its existence. >>>>> >>>>> Nonsense. People talk about things that don't exist frequently. The >>>>> Tooth Fairy, gods, all sorts of literary fiction. The list is large. >>>> >>>> They are talking about things they know they don't exist. You are >>>> talking about a thing that exists but no one knows. You neglected >>>> yourself being the one who actually knows. The fact you know it exists >>>> has ensured its existence. For me, I have to check to find out whether >>>> you are lying or not. So its existence is uncertain. >>> >>> You are practiced in saying a lot without any content aren't you? >> >> Not really. Your question somehow is very similar to a Buddhist >> philosophical question. It was like this: "If a tree fell down in the >> forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test >> the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it >> shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer >> no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct >> answer, as I have given you, is not sure. > > You have to excuse hvac. He's a bad tomato. No problem. I think I got a little distracted and started to talk about Buddhism. I need to concentrate more. :-) > >> >> >>>>> So if I truly believe I can fly like a butterfly I can do so. >>>> >>>> No, I don't think so. The physical world is an illusion, but it does not >>>> mean we can ignore it altogether. We only need to be aware that it's not >>>> real, so we will not be fooled to lose our focus in life. >>>> >>> >>> Since you obviously are only interested in convoluted discussions >>> where you can keep twisting the thread is as many directions as >>> possible without actually going anywhere such a "discussion" becomes >>> tiresome after a point. I have reached that point. >>> >>> Enjoy playing with yourself. >> >> Thanks for spending time with me. It's always a good exercise for me. >> > > the dukester, American-American > > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >
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