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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-07-23 12:11 -0700
Last post2015-07-24 04:25 -0400
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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-23 12:11 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-23 18:08 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-23 20:17 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:13 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-24 00:53 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 11:57 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-24 16:58 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 18:13 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-24 16:22 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-24 18:32 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:00 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:46 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-26 00:20 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-26 06:42 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:03 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:06 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:08 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:01 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-26 11:03 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:08 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-28 18:24 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-29 07:23 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-25 17:20 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:09 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-28 17:25 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-26 03:54 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-27 04:23 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:09 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-29 03:55 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-29 07:23 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:08 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-30 15:18 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:00 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:08 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:29 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:17 -0600
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-31 16:38 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 09:56 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 11:27 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:17 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 10:39 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-02 11:51 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:04 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:18 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-02 14:01 -0500
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 15:05 -0500
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 16:12 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-02 10:15 -0600
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:19 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-03 03:11 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-03 09:04 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:42 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-03 18:39 -0500
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:01 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-04 15:36 -0500
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:55 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-03 17:56 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:02 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-04 18:54 -0700
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:57 -0500
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-05 12:56 -0700
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-06 19:27 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-06 17:44 -0700
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:23 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0500
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:04 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0500
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:12 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:17 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:48 -0400
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:41 -0500
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:11 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:51 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:19 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 11:48 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:01 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:26 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:03 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:48 -0400
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:44 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:59 -0500
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:06 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:51 -0500
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:19 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:19 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:18 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:02 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:43 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 16:19 -0700
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:21 -0700
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-08 04:57 -0700
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 18:12 +0200
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 08:16 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:11 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 14:58 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:38 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 00:00 -0700
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:19 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 12:22 -0700
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 15:42 -0500
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-07 15:48 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:26 -0400
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:31 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:47 -0500
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:55 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:17 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 11:58 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:00 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:19 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-16 12:24 -0700
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:03 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:45 -0400
                                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-20 12:40 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-04 05:16 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:03 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:46 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:07 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:35 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:48 -0500
                                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:23 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:16 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-16 12:25 -0700
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-18 13:27 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-18 19:04 +0000
                                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 12:33 -0700
                                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:17 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:47 -0400
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:19 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-19 18:30 -0400
                                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 21:52 +0800
                                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:07 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:02 -0500
                                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:38 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-18 13:28 -0500
                                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:48 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:20 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:49 -0400
                                                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:09 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-29 11:15 -0600
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-29 13:56 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-29 18:59 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-30 06:43 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:11 -0400
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-30 11:38 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:03 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-31 04:14 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:34 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:19 -0600
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-31 12:06 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-31 21:52 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 00:56 -0400
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-31 22:22 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-31 22:32 -0700
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 01:55 -0400
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-01 12:39 -0700
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:39 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:38 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:10 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 11:59 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-24 16:27 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-25 10:32 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 09:07 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:03 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 15:15 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-26 10:09 +0100
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:11 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:08 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:11 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 06:36 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:04 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-25 11:31 -0600
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:13 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:45 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:14 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-25 17:23 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:02 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:46 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:19 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 15:13 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:20 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:10 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-26 15:19 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:29 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:14 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:13 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-07-26 22:45 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:13 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-26 23:03 -0600
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-27 18:43 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-24 00:39 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-24 04:25 -0400

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#361022

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-16 14:26 -0500
Message-ID<ruo1ta5f5ujjchrc379rer549d9ofl63dh@4ax.com>
In reply to#360959
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:01:36 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:48:25 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><v9rusapp79p6e91o4qhe3esapag5fgaest@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:19:26 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:51:17 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><iedksah7bs1ep4iuqh0q39q4i1vh5kaq5g@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Since you refuse to acknowledge the difference between one unverified
>>>>>source and thousands of independently verified sources no additional
>>>>>discussion is possible.
>>>>
>>>>Why are they unverified.  People actually experienced life then.
>>>
>>>See?  You prove my point.
>>
>>I know I did mine.
>
>You have only proven how brainwashed you are.

When I'm right, I'm right.

>>>>>Based upon your logic every word in Gone With the Wind describes an
>>>>>true and accurate account of actual events.
>>>>
>>>>No reason to believe that.
>>
>>>As much reason as there is to believe any of the drivel in your book
>>>of superstitions.
>>
>>The skin off your ass, not mine.

>That doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Well, it sure doesn't bother me.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#361028

FromTom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net>
Date2015-08-16 15:03 -0500
Message-ID<mqqq7m$her$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#361022
On 8/16/2015 2:26 PM, duke wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:01:36 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:48:25 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <v9rusapp79p6e91o4qhe3esapag5fgaest@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:19:26 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:51:17 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <iedksah7bs1ep4iuqh0q39q4i1vh5kaq5g@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Since you refuse to acknowledge the difference between one unverified
>>>>>> source and thousands of independently verified sources no additional
>>>>>> discussion is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are they unverified.  People actually experienced life then.
>>>>
>>>> See?  You prove my point.
>>>
>>> I know I did mine.
>>
>> You have only proven how brainwashed you are.
>
> When I'm right, I'm right.
>
>>>>>> Based upon your logic every word in Gone With the Wind describes an
>>>>>> true and accurate account of actual events.
>>>>>
>>>>> No reason to believe that.
>>>
>>>> As much reason as there is to believe any of the drivel in your book
>>>> of superstitions.
>>>
>>> The skin off your ass, not mine.
>
>> That doesn't bother me in the slightest.
>
> Well, it sure doesn't bother me.
>
> the dukester, American-American
>
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
>
It should.

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#361072

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-17 05:48 -0400
Message-ID<bbb3tahvia1t9n21n59v5908edduibl341@4ax.com>
In reply to#361022
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:26:51 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<ruo1ta5f5ujjchrc379rer549d9ofl63dh@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:01:36 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:48:25 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><v9rusapp79p6e91o4qhe3esapag5fgaest@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:19:26 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:51:17 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><iedksah7bs1ep4iuqh0q39q4i1vh5kaq5g@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Since you refuse to acknowledge the difference between one unverified
>>>>>>source and thousands of independently verified sources no additional
>>>>>>discussion is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are they unverified.  People actually experienced life then.
>>>>
>>>>See?  You prove my point.
>>>
>>>I know I did mine.
>>
>>You have only proven how brainwashed you are.
>
>When I'm right, I'm right.

When your are brainwashed, you are brainwashed.

>
>>>>>>Based upon your logic every word in Gone With the Wind describes an
>>>>>>true and accurate account of actual events.
>>>>>
>>>>>No reason to believe that.
>>>
>>>>As much reason as there is to believe any of the drivel in your book
>>>>of superstitions.
>>>
>>>The skin off your ass, not mine.
>
>>That doesn't bother me in the slightest.
>
>Well, it sure doesn't bother me.
>

It seems to - you harp on it often enough.

According to you I am going to hell.  According to me no such place
has ever been proven to exist.

Those points have been firmly established.


--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#359684

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-05 04:44 -0400
Message-ID<f1j3sad4c4k1ia3spt0i27pf477qopqmt1@4ax.com>
In reply to#359643
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>
>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>> etc.
>>
>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>
>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>

What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
indirectly, with your bible?  Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
connected to it?

What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?

Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#359751

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-05 13:59 -0500
Message-ID<s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com>
In reply to#359684
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>
>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  

>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>indirectly, with your bible?

You don't have a clue as to what I have nor how it is found in the bible. You're
going to have to do some quick study if you want to engage in serious
discussion.  

> Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
>by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
>connected to it?
>What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?
>Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?

Yep, exactly what you have after the last eye witnessed died.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#359796

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-06 05:06 -0400
Message-ID<qp86sa18a9s2mmpq4t4fp5ddpg253hktl4@4ax.com>
In reply to#359751
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>
>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>
>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>indirectly, with your bible?
>
>You don't have a clue as to what I have

So you say, and refuse to elaborate.

> nor how it is found in the bible. 

You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
NOT MATTER!

>You're
>going to have to do some quick study if you want to engage in serious
>discussion.  

Study what?

>
>> Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
>>by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
>>connected to it?
>>What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?
>>Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?
>
>Yep, exactly what you have after the last eye witnessed died.
>

Obviously you do not.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#359963

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-07 16:51 -0500
Message-ID<b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com>
In reply to#359796
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>
>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>
>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>
>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>
>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.

We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1

>> nor how it is found in the bible. 

>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>NOT MATTER!

Not to you that want nothing to do with God.

>
>>You're
>>going to have to do some quick study if you want to engage in serious
>>discussion.  
>
>Study what?
>
>>
>>> Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
>>>by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
>>>connected to it?
>>>What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?
>>>Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?
>>
>>Yep, exactly what you have after the last eye witnessed died.
>>
>
>Obviously you do not.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#359992

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-08 04:19 -0400
Message-ID<ogebsa9oeuo922b4esip9uq9jpm9h0loab@4ax.com>
In reply to#359963
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>
>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>
>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>
>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>
>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>
>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1

Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?

As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
involved made it invalid?

Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?

>
>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>
>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>NOT MATTER!
>
>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.

Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.


--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#360031

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-08 13:19 -0500
Message-ID<pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com>
In reply to#359992
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>
>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>
>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>
>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>
>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>
>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?

Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.

>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>involved made it invalid?
>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?

I would say the answer is one (1).
>
>>
>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>>
>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>>NOT MATTER!
>>
>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.
>
>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
>concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#360080

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-09 04:54 -0400
Message-ID<hv4esalk46telejbmg7952m6mmnc6is65l@4ax.com>
In reply to#360031
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>
>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>
>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>
>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>
>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>
>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.

So what?  It isn't the first time.

And I am in good company.  Many people were in a minority when they
first took a position, and were later shown to be correct.  Sometimes
a minority of one.


>
>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>involved made it invalid?
>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>
>I would say the answer is one (1).

Amusing.  That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it?

Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most
people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate"
something?


>>
>>>
>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>>>
>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>>>NOT MATTER!
>>>
>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.
>>
>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
>>concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.
>

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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

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#360107

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-09 09:46 -0500
Message-ID<6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com>
In reply to#360080
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>
>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>
>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>
>>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>
>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>
>So what?  It isn't the first time.

Nor the last.

>And I am in good company.  Many people were in a minority when they
>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct.  Sometimes
>a minority of one.

And I rest my case on my correct position.


>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>involved made it invalid?
>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>
>>I would say the answer is one (1).

Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.

>Amusing.  That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it?

>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most
>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate"
>something?

All depends on what you're trying to validate.

>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>>>>
>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>>>>NOT MATTER!
>>>>
>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.
>>>
>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
>>>concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.

I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American
Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc.  But no live witnesses,
videos, tv cameras, etc.


the dukester, American-American

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#360197

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-10 05:15 -0400
Message-ID<6nqgsa54qtjl59k7fb8o1qc26e71dm9enf@4ax.com>
In reply to#360107
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>>
>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>>
>>>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>>
>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>>
>>So what?  It isn't the first time.
>
>Nor the last.

Nope.  I don't expect it to be.

>
>>And I am in good company.  Many people were in a minority when they
>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct.  Sometimes
>>a minority of one.
>
>And I rest my case on my correct position.

Nope.  You are still wrong.  I would point out you were the one who
tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position.

>
>
>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>>involved made it invalid?
>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>>
>>>I would say the answer is one (1).
>
>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.

Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you
assertion to be correct?

>
>>Amusing.  That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it?
>
>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most
>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate"
>>something?
>
>All depends on what you're trying to validate.

No, it doesn't.

>
>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>>>>>NOT MATTER!
>>>>>
>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.
>>>>
>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
>>>>concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.
>
>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American
>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc.  But no live witnesses,
>videos, tv cameras, etc.
>
Covered elsewhere.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#360355

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-11 12:53 -0500
Message-ID<6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com>
In reply to#360197
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>>>
>>>>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>>>
>>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>>>
>>>So what?  It isn't the first time.
>>
>>Nor the last.
>
>Nope.  I don't expect it to be.

Then we both agree you are in the minority.

>>>And I am in good company.  Many people were in a minority when they
>>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct.  Sometimes
>>>a minority of one.
>>
>>And I rest my case on my correct position.
>
>Nope.  You are still wrong.  I would point out you were the one who
>tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position.

Go ahead.

>>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>>>involved made it invalid?
>>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>>>
>>>>I would say the answer is one (1).
>>
>>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.
>
>Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you
>assertion to be correct?

To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong.

>>>Amusing.  That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it?
>>
>>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most
>>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate"
>>>something?
>>
>>All depends on what you're trying to validate.
>
>No, it doesn't.

Yep.

>>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>>>>>>NOT MATTER!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
>>>>>concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
>>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.
>>
>>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American
>>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc.  But no live witnesses,
>>videos, tv cameras, etc.
>>
>Covered elsewhere.

Nope.

the dukester, American-American

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#360432

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-12 03:15 -0400
Message-ID<3dslsa98na103mgalbm8rekmnsjl4qe4mk@4ax.com>
In reply to#360355
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:53:11 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>>>>
>>>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>>>>
>>>>So what?  It isn't the first time.
>>>
>>>Nor the last.
>>
>>Nope.  I don't expect it to be.
>
>Then we both agree you are in the minority.

Yep.  So what?  According to you that must make me correct.

>
>>>>And I am in good company.  Many people were in a minority when they
>>>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct.  Sometimes
>>>>a minority of one.
>>>
>>>And I rest my case on my correct position.
>>
>>Nope.  You are still wrong.  I would point out you were the one who
>>tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position.
>
>Go ahead.

I just did, you moron.


>
>>>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>>>>involved made it invalid?
>>>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>>>>
>>>>>I would say the answer is one (1).
>>>
>>>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.
>>
>>Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you
>>assertion to be correct?
>
>To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong.

So now numbers prove something?  It appears you want it both ways.

>
>>>>Amusing.  That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it?
>>>
>>>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most
>>>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate"
>>>>something?
>>>
>>>All depends on what you're trying to validate.
>>
>>No, it doesn't.
>
>Yep.

Of course it does.

>
>>>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES
>>>>>>>>NOT MATTER!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is
>>>>>>concerned.  How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology?
>>>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible.
>>>
>>>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American
>>>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc.  But no live witnesses,
>>>videos, tv cameras, etc.
>>>
>>Covered elsewhere.
>
>Nope.
>

Of course it was, but your denial doesn't allow you to admit it for
some reason.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#361018

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-08-16 14:18 -0500
Message-ID<edo1tadlsvur7ooa4gfac8as58l71ld6ui@4ax.com>
In reply to#360432
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:15:05 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:53:11 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>>>>>
>>>>>So what?  It isn't the first time.
>>>>
>>>>Nor the last.
>>>
>>>Nope.  I don't expect it to be.
>>
>>Then we both agree you are in the minority.
>
>Yep.  So what?  According to you that must make me correct.

Nope, that the huge majority, seeing a lot more than you do, sees you in error.

>>>>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>>>>>involved made it invalid?
>>>>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would say the answer is one (1).
>>>>
>>>>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.
>>>
>>>Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you
>>>assertion to be correct?
>>
>>To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong.
>
>So now numbers prove something?  It appears you want it both ways.

Proves you are in the minority in your assessments.


the dukester, American-American

*****
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Pope Paul VI
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#361026

FromTom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net>
Date2015-08-16 15:02 -0500
Message-ID<mqqq6c$her$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#361018
On 8/16/2015 2:18 PM, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:15:05 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:53:11 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>>>>>> indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?  It isn't the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor the last.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.  I don't expect it to be.
>>>
>>> Then we both agree you are in the minority.
>>
>> Yep.  So what?  According to you that must make me correct.
>
> Nope, that the huge majority, seeing a lot more than you do, sees you in error.
>
>>>>>>>> As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>>>>>> does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>>>>>> only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>>>>>> involved made it invalid?
>>>>>>>> Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would say the answer is one (1).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.
>>>>
>>>> Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you
>>>> assertion to be correct?
>>>
>>> To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong.
>>
>> So now numbers prove something?  It appears you want it both ways.
>
> Proves you are in the minority in your assessments.
>
>
> the dukester, American-American
>
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
>
What makes you think so?

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#361070

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-17 05:43 -0400
Message-ID<osa3tahek108511aful0kpau8mi8hqhol0@4ax.com>
In reply to#361018
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:18:24 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<edo1tadlsvur7ooa4gfac8as58l71ld6ui@4ax.com> wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which means what?  Numbers alone prove something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So what?  It isn't the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nor the last.
>>>>
>>>>Nope.  I don't expect it to be.
>>>
>>>Then we both agree you are in the minority.
>>
>>Yep.  So what?  According to you that must make me correct.
>
>Nope, that the huge majority, seeing a lot more than you do, sees you in error.

Now you think numbers alone make anything correct?  How many examples
of such 'majority rules' in the past that turned out to be utter
balderdash do you want?

I have given you a number of such examples in prior conversations.
With you there is nothing new under the sun - you just trot out the
same lame excuses over and over.

With you either one can prove something valid or a huge majority can
prove something valid - depending on which you need at the particular
time in question.

>
>>>>>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered -
>>>>>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and
>>>>>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers
>>>>>>>>involved made it invalid?
>>>>>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would say the answer is one (1).
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes.
>>>>
>>>>Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you
>>>>assertion to be correct?
>>>
>>>To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong.
>>
>>So now numbers prove something?  It appears you want it both ways.
>
>Proves you are in the minority in your assessments.

According to your prior comments one person can be correct and
everyone else incorrect.  Isn't that true?

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#359789

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-08-06 01:10 -0700
Message-ID<55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#359684
Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
> alt.atheism with message-id
> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
> >>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
> >>> etc.
> >>
> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
> >
> >What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.
> >
> 
> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
> indirectly, with your bible?  Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
> connected to it?
> 
> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?
> 
> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?


“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such
men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of
the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when
Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned
him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him,
for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine
prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things
concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not
extinct at this day.” 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus

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#359863

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2015-08-06 20:42 -0400
Message-ID<glv7sa1seaqn0ko9hfhvjhsgmj08d689ic@4ax.com>
In reply to#359789
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
>> >>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
>> >>> etc.
>> >>
>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
>> >
>> >What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.
>> >
>> 
>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
>> indirectly, with your bible?  Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
>> connected to it?
>> 
>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?
>> 
>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?
>
>
>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such
>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of
>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when
>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned
>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him,
>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine
>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things
>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not
>extinct at this day.” 
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus

It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries
ago to fit the necessary pattern.  There is no independent
verification from any other sources supporting him.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#359877

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-08-06 22:28 -0700
Message-ID<55C441F1.4E46@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#359863
Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
> >> alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote:
> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred.  Same difference.  No eye
> >> >>> witnesses to testify.  Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts,
> >> >>> etc.
> >> >>
> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels.
> >> >
> >> >What 3rd party verification.  I have the same types of verification for Jesus
> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or
> >> indirectly, with your bible?  Direct verified accounts or 'paintings'
> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization
> >> connected to it?
> >>
> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources?
> >>
> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means?
> >
> >
> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such
> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of
> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when
> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned
> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him,
> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine
> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things
> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not
> >extinct at this day.”
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus
> 
> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries
> ago to fit the necessary pattern.  There is no independent
> verification from any other sources supporting him.
> 


I'm shocked.

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