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  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 20:23 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:39 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-02 23:19 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:23 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-04 03:57 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:48 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-05 15:03 +0200
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 11:21 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-08 12:19 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:18 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-08 21:29 +0200
                    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 13:25 -0700
                      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-08 22:55 +0200
                        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 15:03 -0700
                          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-09 20:18 +0200
                            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 11:50 -0700
                              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-09 22:35 +0200
                                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 14:59 -0700
                                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-10 12:09 +0200
                                    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 03:42 -0700
                                      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-11 08:53 +0200
                                        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 13:04 -0700
                                    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:03 -0700
                                      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-15 07:07 +0200
                                        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:34 -0700
                                          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-15 03:25 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:59 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:12 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-15 03:58 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:43 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 00:55 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-19 15:04 +0000
                    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 22:38 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:15 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:23 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:26 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-04 22:00 +0000
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:02 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 11:01 +0000
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 15:30 +0200
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 13:38 +0000
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 15:42 +0200
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 13:54 +0000
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 13:52 +0000
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 02:08 +0200
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 10:51 +0000
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 11:03 +0000
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-05 11:20 -0400
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 15:40 +0000
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-05 13:14 -0400

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#363133

Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:30:15 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_*
ha scritto:

>  German term for “proper time” is „Eigenzeit“

Okay, now piss off. You know nothing, you are a waste of time.

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#363134

Lleyton H. Bellucci wrote:

[restored quotation]

> […] *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_* ha scritto:
>> [the original] German term for “proper time” is „Eigenzeit“
> 
> Okay, now piss off. You know nothing, you are a waste of time.

<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitdilatation#Eigenzeit>


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch?  
A: Fission chips.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#363136

Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:42:10 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_*
ha scritto:

> Lleyton H. Bellucci wrote:
> 
> [restored quotation]
> 
>> […] *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_* ha scritto:
>>> [the original] German term for “proper time” is „Eigenzeit“
>> 
>> Okay, now piss off. You know nothing, you are a waste of time.
> 
> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitdilatation#Eigenzeit>

Lagrangian particle tracking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_particle_tracking

You don't even know these things even exists, lol

"In computational fluid dynamics, the Lagrangian particle tracking (or in 
short LPT method) is a numerical technique for tracking Lagrangian 
particles within an Eulerian phase. It is also commonly referred to as 
Discrete Particle Simulation (DPS). Some simulation cases for which this 
method is applicable are: sprays, small bubbles, dust particles, and is 
especially optimal for dilute multiphase flows with large Stokes number"

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#363135

Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:30:15 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_*
ha scritto:

>> but an Eulerian observer travelling along its streamline by a marked
>> particle. It looks like you have a lot to catch up in Fluid Dynamics.
> 
> ROTFL.

Laughing, which is what defines an incarnated ignorant. Get yourself
a proper education first. Then you'll experience that you are laughing
at yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_and_Eulerian_specification_of_the_flow_field

"Description

In the Eulerian specification of a field, it is represented as a 
function of position x and time t. For example, the flow velocity 
is represented by a function

    \mathbf{u}\left(\mathbf{x}(t), t\right)

On the other hand, in the Lagrangian specification, individual 
fluid parcels are followed through time. The fluid parcels are 
labelled by some (time-independent) vector field x0. (Often, x0 is 
chosen to be the center of mass of the parcels at some initial 
time t0. It is chosen in this particular manner to account for 
the possible changes of the shape over time. Therefore the center 
of mass is a good parametrization of the flow velocity u of the 
parcel.)

[1] In the Lagrangian description, the flow is described by a 
function

    \mathbf{U}\left(\mathbf{x}_0,t\right) 
"

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#363109

Lleyton H. Bellucci wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Obnoxious liar.

> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in finite
>> proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather this
>> information only after a delay is another matter.
> 
> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will stop,

“Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your stopwatch 
with which you measure the proper time it takes you to cross the event 
horizon, by pushing the start/stop button of the stopwatch *as you cross the 
horizon*¹ – as opposed to having to let your stopwatch run forever (when you 
would measure *coordinate* time as the distant observer²).

> which is absurd. You can't stop time. Time is not a speed.

Time is a *coordinate* and a *distance* in relativity where you formulate 
physics in terms of four-vectors in a 3+1-dimensional spacetime, (x⃗, t) or 
(t, x⃗) – notice the arrow above the “x”, indicating a three-vector for the 
position.

If you are not familiar with basic terms of relativity such as “time”, 
“finite time” and “proper time”, but are subscribed to a newsgroup whose 
name ends in “.relativity”, I strongly suggest you be silent and get 
yourself informed about it by reading introductory material.

As for stopping, if your purpose here would be to learn, instad of to troll, 
you would be well-advised to *stop* concealing your ignorance by changing 
pseudonyms.


PointedEars
_______
¹  This is a theoretical argument.  In practice, using eyesight only,
   the free-faller will have difficulty telling that they passed
   the event horizon.  See also <http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/>

²  While the distant observer never can observe the free-faller actually
   cross the event horizon (observing their coordinates change to a point
   beyond the horizon) – it would take the information of this to travel
   faster than c – there comes a point when the distant observer must
   *assume* that the free-faller has crossed the horizon: the free-faller’s
   signal is increasingly redshifted as they approach the horizon, and there
   comes a point where the redshift is that large that the distant observer
   can no longer measure any signal; firstly due to the limited precision of
   their receiver, and finally due to the uncertainty relation, that makes
   it impossible to distinguish the free-faller’s signal from static.

   But it is important to note that the assumption would be wrong: even at
   that coordinate time the free faller still *actually* has _not_ crossed
   the horizon – they cross the horizon in *infinite* *coordinate* time in
   the frame of reference of the distant observer, or IOW they *never*
   *actually* *definitely* cross it as far as the distant observer, as a
   mortal being, is concerned.
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#363122

Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 02:08:40 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_*
ha scritto:

>> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in finite
>>> proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather this
>>> information only after a delay is another matter.
>> 
>> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will stop,
> 
> “Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your stopwatch

I'm sorry, I'm not paying attention to incarnate certified dumbass morons 
like you. You looks brain dead, which is a string indication that you are 
brain dead indeed. Now please fuck off.

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#363124

Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:51:02 +0000  *_Lleyton H. Bellucci_* ha
scritto:

> Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 02:08:40 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_*
> ha scritto:
> 
>>> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>>>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in
>>>> finite proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather this
>>>> information only after a delay is another matter.
>>> 
>>> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will
>>> stop,
>> 
>> “Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your
>> stopwatch
> 
> I'm sorry, I'm not paying attention to incarnate certified dumbass
> morons like you. You looks brain dead, which is a string indication that
> you are brain dead indeed. Now please fuck off.

Please read "to an" and "You look". I apologise for the eventually causate 
damages.

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#363140

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 11:03:36 +0000 (UTC), "Lleyton H. Bellucci"
<lleyb@stratospheree.org> wrote:

>Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:51:02 +0000  *_Lleyton H. Bellucci_* ha
>scritto:
>
>> Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 02:08:40 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn_*
>> ha scritto:
>> 
>>>> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>>>>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in
>>>>> finite proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather this
>>>>> information only after a delay is another matter.
>>>> 
>>>> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will
>>>> stop,
>>> 
>>> “Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your
>>> stopwatch
>> 
>> I'm sorry, I'm not paying attention to incarnate certified dumbass
>> morons like you. You looks brain dead, which is a string indication that
>> you are brain dead indeed. Now please fuck off.
>
>Please read "to an" and "You look". I apologise for the eventually causate 
>damages.

      "To an" intelligent person, "You look" like the
stupid asshole nym-changing troll jerk.

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#363143

Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:20:31 -0400  *_kefischer_* ha scritto:

> On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 11:03:36 +0000 (UTC), "Lleyton H. Bellucci"
> <lleyb@stratospheree.org> wrote:
> 
>>Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:51:02 +0000  *_Lleyton H. Bellucci_* ha
>>scritto:
>>
>>> Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 02:08:40 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars'
>>> Lahn_*
>>> ha scritto:
>>> 
>>>>> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>>>>>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in
>>>>>> finite proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather
>>>>>> this information only after a delay is another matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will
>>>>> stop,
>>>> 
>>>> “Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your
>>>> stopwatch
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry, I'm not paying attention to incarnate certified dumbass
>>> morons like you. You looks brain dead, which is a string indication
>>> that you are brain dead indeed. Now please fuck off.
>>
>>Please read "to an" and "You look". I apologise for the eventually
>>causate damages.
> 
>       "To an" intelligent person, "You look" like the
> stupid asshole nym-changing troll jerk.

Wrong again, kestupid. I'm not that person, I am somebody else.

You must be looking in a mirror, coming up with all those outrageous 
insinuations. You are really, really stupid, man. I'm sure you're not 
hearing this coming from me first time. You are known to be extreme 
stupid, not my fault. Is enough to read two messages in this forum, and 
draw the above conclusion. 

Beyond the above, your impertinent shameless attitude is deplorable. You 
know nothing, probably less than your dear friend "pointedears".

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#363161

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 15:40:21 +0000 (UTC), "Lleyton H. Bellucci"
<lleyb@stratospheree.org> wrote:

>Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:20:31 -0400  *_kefischer_* ha scritto:
>
>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 11:03:36 +0000 (UTC), "Lleyton H. Bellucci"
>> <lleyb@stratospheree.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:51:02 +0000  *_Lleyton H. Bellucci_* ha
>>>scritto:
>>>
>>>> Il giorno Sat, 05 Sep 2015 02:08:40 +0200  *_Thomas 'PointedEars'
>>>> Lahn_*
>>>> ha scritto:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>>>>>>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in
>>>>>>> finite proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather
>>>>>>> this information only after a delay is another matter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will
>>>>>> stop,
>>>>> 
>>>>> “Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your
>>>>> stopwatch
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sorry, I'm not paying attention to incarnate certified dumbass
>>>> morons like you. You looks brain dead, which is a string indication
>>>> that you are brain dead indeed. Now please fuck off.
>>>
>>>Please read "to an" and "You look". I apologise for the eventually
>>>causate damages.
>> 
>>       "To an" intelligent person, "You look" like the
>> stupid asshole nym-changing troll jerk.
>
>Wrong again, kestupid. I'm not that person, I am somebody else.

        Yes, you are, till you change your name again.


>You must be looking in a mirror, coming up with all those outrageous 
>insinuations. You are really, really stupid, man. I'm sure you're not 
>hearing this coming from me first time. You are known to be extreme 
>stupid, not my fault. Is enough to read two messages in this forum, and 
>draw the above conclusion. 

         That's because you spelled your name wrong.


>Beyond the above, your impertinent shameless attitude is deplorable. You 
>know nothing, probably less than your dear friend "pointedears".

      I understand Divergent Matter pretty well now.
Just change your name and get lost.

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