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  Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:06 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:16 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 07:23 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-17 20:10 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:06 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:14 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:26 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-14 13:41 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:01 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 17:25 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:06 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 19:13 +0000
      Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 15:43 -0400
        Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-14 19:51 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:22 -0500
            Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:39 +0000
              Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:09 -0500
                Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 21:14 +0000
                  Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:43 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:00 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:30 +0000
            Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:46 -0500
              Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 02:04 +0000
                Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 21:37 -0500
                Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 22:40 -0400
                  Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 03:15 +0000
                    Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 23:57 -0400
                      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:13 +0200
                        Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 10:38 -0400
                          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:59 +0200
                    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 +0200
                    Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-15 17:49 -0700
                Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 20:05 -0700
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 11:51 +0200
            Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 18:38 -0400
              Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:11 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:05 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:10 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 14:51 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:07 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:19 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:37 -0500
            Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:34 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 01:05 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:56 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 00:53 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 18:43 -0700
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:41 +0200
        Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 03:08 -0400
          Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-18 08:40 +1000
            Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
            Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-18 08:48 -0400
              Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-19 10:04 +1000
                Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-19 12:54 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:39 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:20 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:19 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 12:37 -0400
          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:45 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 12:04 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-16 11:44 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 15:30 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles "T.M. Sommers" <tmsommers2@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:07 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 17:53 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 00:44 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-16 18:27 +0000

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#360895

Dne 15/08/2015 v 18:37 kefischer napsal(a):
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:19:05 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>>
>> It is not library specific.
>>
>> Alarms with false positives are not false alarms.
>>
>> Sometime operators fail to remove or deactivate the chip,
>> or the chip fails to be deactivated.
> 
>         He probably didn't have a library card,
> and didn't "checkout" the book.   :-)
> 
True positives often complain a lot.
-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#360970

[F'up2 sci.physics, please set yourself next time.]

Odd Bodkin wrote:

> I personally have bought a fair number of books,

I have not.  Fortunately, my books on science so far have been presents, but 
in most cases I wished for them in some way.

There is a caveat, though: Books are not peer-reviewed as intensively (if at 
all), can be oversimplifying in order to reach a wider audience, and the 
knowledge they convey can be outdated.

> but I've never bought an article or a journal subscription.

Me neither, yet.  But I have registered at some sites for free which gives 
you limited access.  To mention two of them:

<http://www.aps.org/> (some articles you get for free even without 
registration)

<http://www.sciencedirect.com/>

> Nor do I need to.

Sometimes it would come in handy (library access aside, there are articles 
that are only available with subscription), but much of the scientific work 
(on physics) is available online for free, also thanks to institutes and 
individuals that are publishing for free, and Google Scholar that allows one 
to find them.

<http://scholar.google.com/>

And I cannot stress enough the importance of the publication of physics 
lectures, such as 

<http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/>
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=susskind+lectures>
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=krauss+lectures>

for free.

> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities. 
> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you 
> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT, 
> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and 
> probably more than one university right there.
> 
> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not 
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the 
> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of 
> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask 
> for a guest account.

You are projecting.  It is not always so easy for people to get to “the 
nearest university”, for a variety of reasons.  Not every (university) 
library is equally equipped.  And “almost always” has “almost” in it.

So much the better that we have the Web and resources like I mentioned 
above.  Instant knowledge at one’s fingertips, almost everywhere on the 
planet.

> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access.

That much is true.


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#360974

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> [F'up2 sci.physics, please set yourself next time.]
> 
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
>> I personally have bought a fair number of books,
> 
> I have not.  Fortunately, my books on science so far have been presents,
> but in most cases I wished for them in some way.

Enjoyable.

> There is a caveat, though: Books are not peer-reviewed as intensively
> (if at all), can be oversimplifying in order to reach a wider audience,
> and the knowledge they convey can be outdated.

Then you must be more intelligent than books.

>> but I've never bought an article or a journal subscription.
> 
> Me neither, yet.  But I have registered at some sites for free which
> gives you limited access.  To mention two of them:

You don't need to do that. You just have to be scientist or work Somewhere 
in Science or about Science, then that Institution will automatically pay 
the expenses for you and everybody affiliated as such.

It reveals you are not even an amateur in Science. Likely you are just a 
half-engineer. Rotchm and Kefischer are more intelligent than you.

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#360991

Eteocles Panagakos amok-crossposted:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Liar.

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> [F'up2 sci.physics, please set yourself next time.]
>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> I personally have bought a fair number of books,
>> I have not.  Fortunately, my books on science so far have been presents,
>> but in most cases I wished for them in some way.
> 
> Enjoyable.

Yes, it is good if you have people around you who know you so well.
 
>> There is a caveat, though: Books are not peer-reviewed as intensively
>> (if at all), can be oversimplifying in order to reach a wider audience,
>> and the knowledge they convey can be outdated.
> 
> Then you must be more intelligent than books.

Given that books have no intelligence at all, this is a truism.
 
>>> but I've never bought an article or a journal subscription.
>> Me neither, yet.  But I have registered at some sites for free which
>> gives you limited access.  To mention two of them:
> 
> You don't need to do that. You just have to be scientist or work Somewhere
> in Science or about Science, then that Institution will automatically pay
> the expenses for you and everybody affiliated as such.

That is correct.  However, AISB, physics is not my field of research, so 
this does not apply to physics journals.  Neither is it that of the other 
characters here – hence “Odd’s” recommendation –, with few exceptions that
I find it unlikely would include you, 'nym-shifting troll.
 
> It reveals you are not even an amateur in Science. Likely you are just a
> half-engineer. Rotchm and Kefischer are more intelligent than you.

It is probable as there are multiple ways of intelligence.  Scientific, 
inquiring, intelligence, however, does not appear to be their forté given 
their misconceptions about all things science, and not yours.


F'up2 where it belongs

PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#361004

On 8/14/2015 10:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>
> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.

Haven't you people ever heard of arXiv.org?

-- 
T.M. Sommers -- ab2sb

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#361006

Dne 16/08/2015 v 17:07 T.M. Sommers napsal(a):
> On 8/14/2015 10:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
>> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
>> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>>
>> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
>> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
> 
> Haven't you people ever heard of arXiv.org?
> 
Yes. I have realized I am even registered.

But I do not search for articles there. I am usually Googling for topic
or book/article Title and go where the Google takes me. If I am
registered there a/o if I can download article/ebook for free,
it is great.

Or, I follow Wikipedia references,
but the biblio codes are challenge.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#361038

[F'up2 <news:sci.physics>]

T.M. Sommers wrote:

> On 8/14/2015 10:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
>> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
>> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>>
>> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
>> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
> 
> Haven't you people ever heard of arXiv.org?

No.  (/Cave logicum./)

(Haven’t you heard of Followup-To?


ISTM there are a few disadvantages of arXiv.org compared to reading articles 
in journals or going to a local university library for textbooks:

- It is only the collection of one university library (of Cornell 
  University, Ithaca, New York, USA), and you cannot order material from 
  other libraries.

- “[They] accept submissions only from registered authors.”

- “Submitters must grant arXiv.org a non-exclusive and irrevocable license 
  to distribute or certify that the work is available under another license 
  that conveys these rights.”  So authors who do not want to publish under
  those conditions will not publish on arXiv.org.

- Papers published on arXiv.org have not necessarily undergone peer review.

- Papers may be replaced at any time, and authors are encouraged to do so:
  <http://arxiv.org/help/submit#replace>

That aside, you do not need to know arXiv.org if you know Google Scholar; 
many search results there, and references in Wikipedia articles, will link 
to arXiv.org.


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#361011

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:06:25 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> 
> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of 
> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will.
>

That's your opinion, which has been formulated purely as an outsider and
ignorant observer from afar.

But those directly in the midst of scientific development have a
different view:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/14/australian-academics-seek-to-challenge-web-of-avarice-in-scientific-publishing

To all those who disagree and claim "free enterprise" and that "everything
has to be paid for" I will only reply:

Shut yout fat, stupid mouths and go to the hell of idiots.

  

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