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Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time?

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time?
Date 2018-11-07 21:44 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 10:47:38 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> >> mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:

>> >> >On Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:51:45 UTC+1, Michael Moroney  wrote:

>> >> >> No, it is only valid LOCALLY. It is true that LOCALLY, 9,192,631,770
>> >> >> cycles of the Cs 133 radiation frequency * 60 * 3 is the time to cook a
>> >> >> 3 minute egg for everyone, and all other time related events LOCALLY.
>> >>
>> >> >A lie, as expected from fanatic idiot.
>> >> >As everybody can check at GPS.

>> >> And if you check the GPS and ignore gravitational effects*, you'll see the
>> >> GPS clock would be observed as running 7 microseconds/day slow due to the
>> >> SR velocity effect. And this is in the GPS specs.

>> >> (*) Which is wrong as the gravitational effects are larger than the SR
>> >> velocity effect, at +45 microseconds/day. The sum of the two is +38
>> >> microseconds/day, a number which is also in the GPS specs, which everybody
>> >> can check.

>> >So that means that the GPS is accumulating microseconds at a faster
>> >rate.....right?

>> The GPS *satellite*'s clock is ticking at the correct rate as far as it is
>> concerned. It sees the earth's clock as running slow and the earth
>> observer sees it as running fast.

>What do you mean by "see".....do they use a telescope to "see" how the 
>GPS is accumulation clock seconds?

Observe, measure, etc.

We observe what's going on at the satellites by measuring the frequencies
of signals that were transmitted at known frequencies, for example.

>BTW it is not possible to "see" the GPS accumulating seconds 
>accumulating clock seconds as slow and the GPS "see" the earth clock 
>accumulating clock seconds  as slow.

OK, we *measure* the clock on a moving object as running slow, and an
observer on the moving object will measure our clock running slow.
Measure, observe, see, whatever.

Remember the SR equation for time? t' = gamma(t-vx/c^2).  The "gamma" is
where the 'running slow' comes from. And if you swap observers you get
t = gamma(t'+vx/c^2). Again the gamma is there, so the moving observer
observes/measures our clock as running slow.

>Later on in this post you contradict yourself: you said the GPS is 
>accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate than the ground clock.

That is from the gravitational GR effect.

>> >To correct this imbalance,

>> It is not an imbalance.

>It is an imbalance when they are accumulating clock seconds at different 
>rates.

It is not an imbalance. It is just how nature is.

>> >they redefine the GPS second to have 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation.

>> Wrong. There is only one kind of second, and it is defined as 9,192,631,770
>> periods of a certain Cs 133 radiation on a local Cs clock.
>> Nobody but the ISO committee can redefine the second, and they haven't done
>> so since around 1967.

>Sigh....the imbalance  due to the relativistic and gravitational effects 

There is no imbalance.

>are cancel out by resetting the GPS before launch.

There is no "resetting" of anything. Before launch, the GPS satellite 
generates two signals, one one tick per 9,192,631,770 periods of the Cs
radiation, and one tick at 9,192,631,774+ periods of the Cs radiation.

An observer will measure the first signal as being in perfect lockstep
with a Cs clock also local and on the ground, which makes perfect sense
since the satellite also has a Cs clock.  The 9,192,631,774+ tick is
measured as being slow.

After launch, a theoretical astronaut with a Cs clock with him and 
floating next to the satellite will *still* see the 9,192,631,770 signal
as keeping perfect time with his Cs clock and the 9,192,631,774+ tick is
still slow.

Meanwhile, people on the ground will measure the 9,192,631,770 signal as
running too fast but the 9,192,631,774+ signal keeps perfect time. This is
because the slow signal was slowed down by the EXACT AMOUNT necessary to
do so, by design.

Note that nothing was "reset" on the satellite. Nothing was done to it
except actually launching it into orbit.

> This is designed to make the GPS accumulating redefines GPS second at 
>the same rate as the ground clock.

There is no "redefining" the second. There is exactly one definition of a
second in science/engineering, which is 9,192,631,770 cycles of the Cs
radiation from a LOCAL clock.

>> It is true they use a second clock signal that ticks once per
>> 9,192,631,774.4647 Cs frequency periods, but that is *not* a second at the
>> Cs clock, and the GR time dilation effects exactly cancel the difference
>> between it and a second (by design) when received on earth, so *on earth*
>> that clock is in lockstep with a 1 second clock.

>So adding 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation to the GPS second

There is no "GPS second" so that phrase is nonsense.

> is designed to make the GPS accumulating clock seconds at the same rate 
>as the ground clock and thus making the GPS running at the same rate as 
>the ground clock in terms of absolute time..

"Absolute time".  I told you several times that we're discussing SR, not
Galilean relativity, with its "t' = t" statement, which means that time is
the same for everyone, anywhere in the universe. In other words, no such
thing as "absolute time" in SR or GR.

Yeah, I know you have some sort of gobbledygook where the time of
everything is this "absolute time" times some number, but that's
irrelevant. You still have Galilean relativity with a cloak of SR imposed
on it.

>> You have been told that many, many, many times yet you persist on using
>> your incorrect made-up definition. Why?

>I told you many, many, many times that your beliefs are wrong.

Your assertions are just assertions, not facts.

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                Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-21 16:15 +0000
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