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Re: Why the *Medium* Matters.

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Why the *Medium* Matters.
Date 2018-10-06 14:54 +0000
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Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/10/2018 07:53, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 04/10/2018 19:45, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 4 October 2018 19:26:29 UTC+2, Keith Stein  wrote:
>>>>> On 04/10/2018 17:41, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, 4 October 2018 17:25:19 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reading the display in both frames does not tell you that this is the real
>>>>>>> time of those events unless you can demonstrate that the clocks are
>>>>>>> synchronized.
>>> 
>>> That's a good point Mr.Bodkin. Fortunately i do know how to
>>> synchronize the clocks UNAMBIGUOUSLY.  From the midpoint between
>>> two clocks we send a signal to both clocks through stationary air,
>>> (or any other STATIONARY medium). Clocks synchronized in this way
>>> will be synchronized in all frames of reference.
>> 
>> Well, then according to you, it is only possible to have synchronized
>> clocks at rest in one single rest frame.
> 
> Well of course the clocks can only be "at rest" in the frame of
> reference in which they are "at rest", but that is surely true
> of anything. The point is that clocks synchronized in the frame
> of reference in which the medium is stationary, are synchronized
> IN ALL FRAMES, irrespective of how fast you walk towards them.

That would only be true trivially by your definition of synchronization
being keys to performing that only for clocks at rest in the medium’s rest
frame. 

But really, the question is whether there is a synchronized procedure that
can be applied INDEPENDENT of the medium’s rest frame. And for this there
is a very good prescription described by Einstein. Note that this procedure
works for ANY pair of clocks at rest in a common reference frame,
regardless whether the medium is at rest in that frame. 

> 
>> This of course would violate the
>> principle of relativity.
> 
> If you mean it is incompatible with Einstein's ridiculous
> assumption that the speed of light has the same value in all
> frames of reference, then you are entirely correct Mr.Bodkin.

No, that’s not what the principle of relativity says. 

> 
>>>>>> It can surely be a problem for an insane
>>>>>> guru or his idiot minions.
>>> 
>>>>> You won't make converts by insulting the audience,Mr.Wozniak,
>>> 
>>>> Odd is a fanatic idiot deeply believing that
>>>> following this mystical mumble of his moronic
>>>> gurus makes him an intellectual elite. He can't
>>>> be converted. He can be only kicked into his
>>>> puffed ass.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think you are a bit hard on Old Bodkin, Mr.Wozniak.
>>> Sure like all the relativists he is a bit arrogant, but
>>> i think he does pretty well, for a wood worker eh!
>>> 
>>> keith stein
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:47 +0100
  Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 04:20 -0700
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:21 +0100
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 06:02 -0700
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:12 +0100
  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 12:39 +0000
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:08 +0100
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-07 08:40 -0500
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 07:22 -0700
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-07 14:42 +0000
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 17:41 -0700
  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:19 +0000
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 06:56 -0700
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:00 +0000
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:12 -0700
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:14 -0700
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 07:12 -0700
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:15 +0000
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-02 08:49 -0700
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 13:31 -0700
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 06:06 -0700
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              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:05 +0000
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 07:14 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 15:38 +0000
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 16:43 +0000
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 08:51 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 16:06 +0000
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                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 14:38 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 21:47 +0000
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 22:03 +0000
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 08:30 +0100
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