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Re: Why the *Medium* Matters.

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Why the *Medium* Matters.
Date 2018-10-03 12:33 +0000
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Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:

>On 03/10/2018 06:06, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Do you consider all of classical physics to be obsolete Mr.Striz?
>> 
>> Of course it isn't. Fizeau stumbled across an effect of special relativity
>> way back in 1851 when he discovered the speed of light is not c/n relative
>> to moving water.  I'm sure that caused Maxwell to scratch his head.

>So you choose to accept Fizeau's bullshit

How can actual experimental results be "bullshit"? Remember, observational
results ALWAYS trump theory. If reproduceable results of Fizeau's
experiments show the speed of light in moving water is not c/n+v (and they
do), that means Fizeau's results CANNOT be "bullshit" and your
(mis)interpretation of Maxwell's theory is wrong!

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

-Richard P. Feynman


Not too hard to calculate the correct speed in the lab frame, using the SR
velocity addition formula.

u=c/n (speed of light in the water, in the frame of the water)
v - speed of the water

V=(u+v)/(1+uv/c^2)  - lab frame speed of light in the moving water

> and reject Maxwell's theory.

No conflict, I accept Maxwell's theories. Maxwell also discovered the
vacuum speed of light was c according to all observers, although he didn't
pursue the idea.

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Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:47 +0100
  Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 04:20 -0700
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:21 +0100
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 06:02 -0700
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:12 +0100
  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 12:39 +0000
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:08 +0100
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-07 08:40 -0500
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    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 06:56 -0700
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:00 +0000
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:12 -0700
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            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-02 08:49 -0700
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                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 07:52 -0700
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                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 18:26 +0100
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