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Re: A GOOD QUESTION

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: A GOOD QUESTION
Date	2018-05-14 22:24 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 12:47:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 2:47:14 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:27:53 PM UTC-4, Steve BH wrote:
>>>>>> Nope. Space itself has been expanding since the Big Bang. If you drew a
>>>>>> crude wave of light on a child’s balloon partially inflated, and then
>>>>>> blew that up more, you’d see the wavelength increase and frequency
>>>>>> decrease. The speed never changes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Space expanding is an oxymoron statement. According to SR space is empty (nothing). 
>>>> 
>>>> First of all, SR says nothing about space being empty or not. Secondly,
>>>> being empty would mean devoid of persistent matter, but that does not make
>>>> it nothing. 
>>> 
>>> Einstein said “empty space”. So you are now saying that space is a
>>> substance but we don’t know what that
>>> substance is.....right?
>> 
>> No. Physics recognizes more than two options, substance or nothing. 
> 
> So what are the other options?

Sounds like you’re behind. Middle 1800s, physicists recognized both energy
and fields as being not material substances and not nothing either. That’s
just two examples. 

>  
>> Empty space is not a material substance. It is also not nothing. 
> 
> So now we have a new definition for empty space 

No, it’s not new. As I said, middle 1800s. Note this is BEFORE Einstein.
The only one that seems to be unaware of what empty space means is you. And
that’s because you don’t read, you just make things up — like if it’s not a
material substance then it’s nothing. 

> but you don’t know what that definition is.....right? Do you just making
> up stuff as you go along? Is that why you are such a hot shot physicist? 

None of it is made up. This has been around for 150 years and you just
never learned it. 

> 
>> 
>>> In that case, what is the function of that substance? Does it carry
>>> light...transmits light?
>>> In my theory that substance is the E-Matrix.
>>> Indeed the E-Matrix is not nothing. It transmits light, It gives rise a
>>> new theory of gravity, it unifies all the forces of nature, it gives rise
>>> to a new theory of relativity....etc.
>>>> 
>>>> You assume that the only things that can have existence are matter? Why?
>>>> What about energy?
>>> 
>>> Energy are the effect of material objects reacting to the waves or
>>> geometries exist in the E-Matrix. 
>> 
>> That’s not how physicists class it. Energy is not a material substance, nor
>> is it nothing. 
>> 
>> Do catch up. 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So how can nothing expand? A more reasonable explanation is that the Big
>>>>> Bang caused material objects to apart in all directions in space. And the
>>>>> observed red shift of galaxies is due to Doppler shift.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You must have an expanding universe in order for you to see a redshift
>>>>>> that increases in every direction, and does so increasingly with
>>>>>> distance. And if you have that, that’s already explanation enough for
>>>>>> the redshift. No NEED for changing c.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



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Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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A GOOD QUESTION Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 18:42 +0100
  A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 10:50 -0700
    Re: A GOOD QUESTION Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 19:07 +0100
  A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:23 -0700
  Re: A GOOD QUESTION Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:25 -0700
  A GOOD QUESTION Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:27 -0700
    A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:52 -0700
      A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:57 -0700
    Re: A GOOD QUESTION Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 13:45 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 14:39 -0700
    Re: A GOOD QUESTION RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 16:44 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 17:13 -0700
        Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 17:21 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 20:00 -0500
        Re: A GOOD QUESTION RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-21 12:32 -0700
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-21 12:41 -0700
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-21 19:28 -0500
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-21 21:49 -0700
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-23 08:14 +1000
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-22 16:40 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-23 01:53 +0200
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 09:45 -0700
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-22 08:06 +0000
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-23 08:12 +1000
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 19:38 -0500
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-22 09:04 -0500
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-22 14:55 +0000
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:03 -0500
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-23 16:29 +0000
    Re: A GOOD QUESTION kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-13 08:15 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 18:47 +0000
        Re: A GOOD QUESTION kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-14 07:56 -0700
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 16:47 +0000
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-14 14:59 -0700
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 22:24 +0000
        Re: A GOOD QUESTION RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-16 10:35 -0700
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 18:32 +0000
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-16 18:52 -0500
    Re: A GOOD QUESTION kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-17 10:01 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 17:44 +0000
        Re: A GOOD QUESTION Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-19 14:07 +0000
  Re: A GOOD QUESTION Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-31 18:42 -0500
    Re: A GOOD QUESTION HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-20 09:12 +1000
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-19 17:53 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-19 17:54 -0700
      Re: A GOOD QUESTION Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-19 21:16 -0700
        Re: A GOOD QUESTION HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-21 07:36 +1000
          Re: A GOOD QUESTION Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 14:58 -0700
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 20:00 -0500
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-20 21:39 -0400
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:02 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:16 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:20 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:32 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:47 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 20:03 -0700
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 20:39 -0700
            Re: A GOOD QUESTION HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-23 07:52 +1000
              Re: A GOOD QUESTION Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-22 16:39 -0700
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-25 12:25 +1000
                Re: A GOOD QUESTION Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 20:34 -0700
  Re: A GOOD QUESTION Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 09:01 +0100
  Re: A GOOD QUESTION paul jark <jarkpaulsmith@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 06:27 -0700

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