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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! |
| Date | 2018-05-03 23:52 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <pcgoug$shr$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 5/3/2018 8:29 PM, benj wrote: > On 5/3/2018 3:27 PM, Sergio wrote: >> On 5/3/2018 1:06 PM, Keith Stein wrote: >>> On 02/05/2018 21:44, Sergio wrote: >>>> On 5/1/2018 12:23 PM, Keith Stein wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 30/04/2018 21:57, Volney wrote: >>>>>> On 4/30/2018 3:23 PM, Keith Stein wrote: >>>>>>> On 30/04/2018 19:40, Volney wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/30/2018 2:14 PM, Keith Stein wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> But think about it Ken, how is a clock in free fall going to know >>>>> what orbit it's in, in order to know whether to go fast or slow. It >>>>> ain't eh! >>>>> >>>>>>>> It doesn't know. The clock will always run at the normal rate as >>>>>>>> far >>>>> as a local comoving observer is concerned. The clock will see >>>>> itself run >>>>> at its normal rate. >>>>> >>>>>>> And if it really does run at its normal rate then clearly the two >>>>> clocks will agree when reunited, on the ISS, or indeed anywhere eh! >>>>> >>>>>>>> Seeing a clock run slow or fast ONLY happens when there are two >>>>> observers/clocks in different states. Such as a stationary clock on >>>>> the >>>>> ground and a clock in orbit on the ISS. >>>>> >>>>>>> Of course clocks which are moving relative to each other appear to >>>>> run at different rates, but, unless one of the clocks has REALLY >>>>> changed >>>>> rate, the clocks must agree when reunited. >>>>> >>>>>> Why would they? SR doesn't state that. It's like saying that if two >>>>> cars drive from New York to Chicago and their odometers are >>>>> identical at >>>>> the start of the trip, they must be identical at the end of the >>>>> trip as >>>>> well, no matter which route they took. >>>>> >>>>> No Mr. Volney, but it is exactly like saying that if two cars drive >>>>> from >>>>> New York to Chicago and their CLOCKS are identical at the start of the >>>>> trip, they must be identical at the end as well, no matter which route >>>>> they took eh! >>>>> >>>>>> If the two twins take different routes through spacetime, their >>>>>> clocks >>>>> won't agree. >>>>> >>>>> There is space, measured by odometers, >>>>> and there is time, measured by clocks, >>>>> and there is spacetime, measured by idiots eh! >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also if you look at how Einstein derived the SR time dilation it's >>>>> obvious that it's bull shit. He assumed the velocity of light, unlike >>>>> any other velocity, is independent of the velocity of the observer. >>>>> >>>>>>>> And all measurements confirm that Einstein was correct in doing >>>>>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> no measurement ever confirmed that the velocity of light relative >>>>> to the >>>>> observer is independent of the velocity of the observer, and none >>>>> ever >>>>> will, because actually it's an impossibility. >>>>> >>>>>>> No one has ever successfully demonstrated the SR twin effect, >>>>>>> ever eh! >>>>> >>>>>> Demonstrated daily with particle accelerators. >>>>> >>>>> Another impossibility eh! >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Me i think clocks would just go on ticking at the same old rate >>>>> whatever >>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally you said something correct. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you Mr.Voley, and what i actually said was: >>>>> >>>>> "Me i think clocks would just go on ticking at the same old rate >>>>> whatever bull shit Einstein comes out with eh!" >>>>> >>>>>>>> You need to learn SR and GR. >>>>> >>>>>>> And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS, >>>>>>> WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE SPEED OF THE >>>>>>> SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER THOSE >>>>>>> CLOCKS ARE REUNITED." >>>>> >>>>>> Nobody cares about your self-proclaimed "law". >>>>> >>>>> Someday someone will take a couple of clocks to the ISS, or its >>>>> successor, and prove that indeed Stein's Law is correct, and one week >>>>> later everyone will wonder how anyone could ever of doubted it eh! >>> >>> >>>> Hafele–Keating experiment 1971, >>> >>> Thank you Sergio. Yes that would seem to be relevant, but if you had >>> the benefit of seeing the original Hafele (confidential) internal report >>> to the US navy,you would know that those results are worthless. Before >>> the heavy massaging of the result which was done before the published >>> report the clock readings were all over the place, and Hafele himself >>> concludes in the original report that nothing could be concluded from >>> their results. In any case the magnitude of the dilations in the H-K >>> experiment were orders of magnitude smaller than should be obtained on >>> the ISS. >>> >>> keith stein >>> >>> >> >> here are two MIT clips about 30 min each, that prove relativistic time >> dialation etc. from 1960's Interesting in the method they used and >> the equipment. one can do the muon one from parts off ebay >> >> interesting measurement here, using muons, >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnao7JWo8mA >> >> >> another one timing electrons at MIT >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BOpiMQXQA >> > Sergio, where did you find the magnificent old piece of shit! Oh man! > did you see that narrow tie! TUBE electronics! Old Hog oscilloscope! > Using a freaking SLIDE RULE to calculate numbers! How in the hell did > anyone EVER do any real science back in those days? > > Cute little Van de Graff. Only I've got a bigger one stored in my > garage. One day I should put it back together again! So cool to have > million volts around just for fun. Love that old hog O'scope. I had one > like that and traded it to a tech where I worked for a hog car (about a > block long Chrysler) Drove that old piece of shit FOREVER! Was great if > you didn't care what you spent on gas. > > OF course the experiment doesn't show anything about clocks, just that > electrons using electric fields can't be accelerated faster than the > speed of light. Note that electric fields TRAVEL at the speed of light. > Duh. > > Loved that primitive lab though. > > Do I win the "smarter than Einstein" prize yet? (However to maintain > sanity I usually refrain from discussing relativity on the INTERNET.) yes, you recognized some of those boat anchors, they were using T connectors, like type N or UHF, those scopes are old, big on carts, lots of switches, not much bandwidth, main problem with them is the custom power transformer, and the display Tube, and all those descrete parts, no microprocessor... and you have a great gerage queen, that van de graph, one guy I know had an AM radio transmitter in his garage from 1940's it is 8 seven foot tall racks 2.5 by 2.5 foot sq, one rack with a big, huge, water cooled transmitter tube 2 foot long, another rack had the phasor, to tune the transmitter to the antenna tower (am is hot antenna tower), the phasor cabnet looked like it was out of a 1940's sci fi movie. very cool
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Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 15:14 -0700
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-05 21:04 +0200
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-05 19:24 +0000
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-06 00:54 +0000
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Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-05-07 14:39 +0000
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 17:21 -0700
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-06 11:31 +0200
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-06 19:59 +0000
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Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 22:09 -0700
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 15:44 -0500
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:06 +0100
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 14:27 -0500
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 21:29 -0400
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 23:52 -0500
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Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-03 14:15 -0700
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 20:23 -0700
Re: And you Mr.Voley need to learn Stein's Law eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:05 +0100
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